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Permanent Solution 10-19-2004 08:05 PM

Oh man..I am so confused, Pixies said he had no idea what the meaning of mine was, and Subtle said it was too blunt...isn't it either one or the other? :/

A_Perfect_Sonnet 10-19-2004 09:34 PM

i have this feeling that everyone gives me bad scores just to spite me, which is probably supported by the fact that subtle thought my words didnt rhyme ;/

SubtleDagger 10-19-2004 10:44 PM

Sorry, kid, your rhyming is awful.

Need examples?

hotcod32 10-19-2004 11:10 PM

heh mine was god awulf even for me... i find geting slated funny... epsicly when its not done well

Permanent Solution 10-19-2004 11:20 PM

Wait Subtle, do you have an answer to my earlier question? (like 6 posts up)

ATC 10-20-2004 03:39 AM

subtle, have you ever listened to evanescence? fu[b]c[/b]k, man, thats a stupid statement. lemme know exactly how my song sounds like evanescence. i'm curious.

'if the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear as it is. perfect.' -william blake 'the marriage of heaven and hell'
that is far removed from evanescence territory.

and APS, you dont need to rhyme to make a song. if everyone wrote songs that way, we'd all still be in the third grade.

sketchyjoe 10-20-2004 08:27 AM

[QUOTE=addicted_tochaos]Punkrawka!! While i agree with the tirade, I like songs that have layers instead of it all thrown bare. It's hard hitting. Recommend me some songs in that genre. 9
[/QUOTE]Anything by Dead Kennedys or Propagandhi

SubtleDagger 10-20-2004 08:34 AM

[QUOTE=zeppelin]Wait Subtle, do you have an answer to my earlier question? (like 6 posts up)[/QUOTE]
Yes. Pixies is wrong and I am right. Also, pixies is dumb for not getting the song. (Luv ya pix :-*)
[QUOTE=atc]subtle, have you ever listened to evanescence? ****, man, thats a stupid statement. lemme know exactly how my song sounds like evanescence. i'm curious.

'if the doors of perception were cleansed, everything would appear as it is. perfect.' -william blake 'the marriage of heaven and hell'
that is far removed from evanescence territory.[/QUOTE]
Oh, now I see why your metaphor was completely random and had nothing to do with with the song; it's because it's Blake's.

Anyway, the rest of the song is boring, generic pronoun usage that doesn't say anything. What do you want me to do, go stanza-by-stanza like I did with DD's last one, saying, "This has too many pronouns and doesn't say anything profound"? (Hint: I'm not doing that again.)

SubtleDagger 10-20-2004 08:40 AM

[QUOTE=atc]too many pronouns in the first and third person plural. What are you? Karl Marx? You sound like Linkin park with an education or a socially conscious Manowar. [/QUOTE]
By the way, you're way out of line here. You're undermining my entire song because I'm speaking in a specifiic person (which has to do with the meaning of the song)? And I barely used any pronouns, I only used "we" a few times.

Your ratings have severely gone downhill. You're always comparing people's songs to bands and styles of music, and I seriously have no idea why you rate some of the people so highly. It's disturbing.

ATC 10-20-2004 09:06 AM

subtle, your person usage has nothing to do with the song.
you might notice, i put stuff in your crit in italics. were they meant to be taken seriously? i was generally pis[b]s[b]ed at the way i got compared to evanescence so the whole manowar thing is meant to annoy you.

ps: i have nothing against the usage of the third or first person. what i have an objection to is your belief that pronoun usage is a bad thing. while i agree it should not be overdone, it doesnt necessarily make a song bad or boring as you seem to think.

i compare people's work to music because i like to think at some point, someone would want to turn these into songs. i rate a lot on mood and emotion and other estrogen-ish things. All i have listened to for the last month is Tori Amos, Sarah Brightman,Jason Loewenstein,Loreena McKennitt and a bit of funk. Think of it as just another perspective, brutha.

I'll probably change when my next PMS thing happens and i switch to black metal.

Meanwhile, i want to encourage alternative non-metal musicianship.

ATC 10-20-2004 09:22 AM

subtle, Blake is not as bad as you think. His ideas are the basis of modern society, or rather the idealized version of it. If you are even slightly liberal, this is probably where you came from.

I have to read Blake for the romantic era in my literature class. His work is markedly different from others classicists. The proverbs of the devil are particularly interesting.

That work is all about how we do not know all that there is, and that the best works are not necessarily in God's name. All poetry and art is essentially the devil's through religious commandment when poets are likened to heretics. It reminded me of the Lilith myth/story/reference. Lilith, the first woman according to ancient judaic tradition, not Eve. Even if it is not something you are going to read into or even think when it is read, my song is merely about analysing and collecting ancient hebrew lore for class.

ps: if you were to say vagueness is just that, vague and does not make you think or feel, then where would most lyricists be?
i think that is why alice in chains was popular. it was vague as hell, but had a general feel and mood.

art isnt that which is easily seen and understood, art is that which has to be read into. and subtle, a line by line crit is not necessary. and yes, i apologize for particularly skewing your rating.

SubtleDagger 10-20-2004 03:23 PM

For Christ's sake, I've read Blake before. You completely missed the point, that the metaphor Blake used had no real similarity to the rest of the song, which was really just boring Evanescance pronouning for the majority.

And the reason basing your crits off of genres or artists is stupid is because you're grading on lyrical quality, not what you think the song might sound like.

PS: AIC was not vague in the slightest, and vagueness in lyrics when you're simply using pronouns and being ambiguous is stupid.

ATC 10-20-2004 03:33 PM

didnt i use enough metaphors for perception and a greater design in there? its pretty easy to figure that it is about perception and growth and human error.
do i have to spell everything out?

like i said, there is no one way i grade, purely what i feel about it. as for the genre, what i meant is that i dont rate the song opposed to every other song, but i rate it based on the best i have heard in that genre. if i havent heard enough of it, i ask for a recommendation. its not that bad a voting style. easier to compare apples with apples than with bananas. i might revamp the system sometime. Blame PMS.

ps: AIC talked about pain in a million different ways, did it mention anything specific. similarly for addiction and the spiral. My point was that a lot of lyricists have been vague.

ATC 10-20-2004 03:37 PM

[b] Use your vote wisely, learn to look past the propaganda. [/b]

look at the vocabulary used. 'evil', 'axis of evil' ,'evil', 'evil-doer'. whats the matter with them? couldnt they come up with 'schmuck'?
-george clooney

coughvotekerrycough

SubtleDagger 10-20-2004 04:18 PM

No no, I understood the song, but it was boring and generic. I never said it was hard to understand, just uninteresting.

pixiesfanyo 10-20-2004 06:14 PM

Zeppelin fan.

A shadow scapes of ghosts
Line our ceiling wall

That isn't horrible english. It makes perfect sense. A scape of shadows from ghosts reflect onto a ceiling.

Permanent Solution 10-20-2004 06:33 PM

[QUOTE=pixiesfanyo]Zeppelin fan.

A shadow scapes of ghosts
Line our ceiling wall

That isn't horrible english. It makes perfect sense. A scape of shadows from ghosts reflect onto a ceiling.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=scapes[/url]
Which of those meanings are you employing?...if it was meant to be shadow scape (singular), I can see it making sense, but the way you executed it makes no sense at all to me. The second way you said it makes sense, but the way you said it in the piece made no sense. Explain how I am wrong if I am.

pixiesfanyo 10-20-2004 06:38 PM

so it should be scape.

Permanent Solution 10-20-2004 06:40 PM

[QUOTE=pixiesfanyo]so it should be scape.[/QUOTE]
All right, good to know (that's why I have not scored/ranked yet) :)

A_Perfect_Sonnet 10-20-2004 06:56 PM

i give up on lyrical challenges... even when i use the challenge word correctly i get last :\

time to get out the old polish and just write like a madman again

Permanent Solution 10-20-2004 07:09 PM

You beat Green day punk :thumb:

A_Perfect_Sonnet 10-20-2004 07:10 PM

not according to dead walk :/... really depressing, he didnt even use the word right

pixiesfanyo 10-20-2004 07:11 PM

Dude, who cares. It's an internet music board. It's just for fun anyway.

A_Perfect_Sonnet 10-20-2004 07:19 PM

coming from you, id think you cared a lot more than me, seeing as how you argue about everything

pixiesfanyo 10-20-2004 07:56 PM

I'm just saying it took me about 10 challenges to win one and the same with most of the vets.

A_Perfect_Sonnet 10-20-2004 08:05 PM

eh, ill do one more and see if i do any better... ive noticed a steady decline in how much i actually like what im writing, that might be the reason ;)

hotcod32 10-20-2004 09:16 PM

meh its just an excuse to acatly write somthing.... don't cear that i'm comeing last since i actaly only wrote in the thing in 5 munits since i wasn't really on the net or anywere for most of the week... 'tis just fun to have to work a word in to somthing...

ATC 10-20-2004 11:42 PM

[QUOTE=D-MelonXX]Oh great and exalted one - the lyrics of my song weren't emo at all. Explain yourself.[/QUOTE]

arent lyrics that come between prose and poetry called emo? the ones that talk about school in general?
if it wasnt, hell, i was wrong.
whatever, i liked your song. the whole background verse in bracket thing is emo, nein?

oh no, i forgot it. its draculacore . :eek:

SubtleDagger 10-21-2004 09:01 AM

None of it was emo. For fu[b][i][/b][/i]ck's sake, I am so tired of this.

[b]Emo is a genre of music, not a style of lyrical writing.[/b]

sketchyjoe 10-21-2004 09:17 AM

That sounds like emo talk to me.


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