Never said they were trying to be grind, just that they aren't, and yeah I was referring to the videos on MTV (Heartwork era)

I have two Carcass albums, Heartwork and one that is unknown to me, but those two aren't grind records. Maybe their others are, then..

In my eyes it's all awesome. I have to disagree with you on the Hardcore and Metalcore thing though. To me they are both a mixture of Punk and Metal. When you listen to "Metalcore" do you not notice the punk influence? Wheter it's the guitars or the drums there is always some element of punk. Especially in Underoath (one of your "Metalcore" bands) I do not mean to offend you. I'm simply conversing.

[QUOTE=Videric]
[b]Crust bands:[/b]

Skitsystem
Wolfbrigade/Wolfpack
Doom
Nausea
Iconoclast (there are a few different bands named this..)
Dystopia (sludge crust)
State of Fear
Dropdead
Misery[/QUOTE]

Aus Rotten
Behind Enemy Lines

Plus a bunch I dont want to add now.

[QUOTE=HXCGuitar]In my eyes it's all awesome. I have to disagree with you on the Hardcore and Metalcore thing though. To me they are both a mixture of Punk and Metal. When you listen to "Metalcore" do you not notice the punk influence? Wheter it's the guitars or the drums there is always some element of punk. Especially in Underoath (one of your "Metalcore" bands) I do not mean to offend you. I'm simply conversing.[/QUOTE]
first off if your talking about the new underoath, your a moron, because their new stuff is ****, they aren't even the same band anymore, they only have 1 original member...

[QUOTE=Videric]I have two Carcass albums, Heartwork and one that is unknown to me, but those two aren't grind records. Maybe their others are, then..[/QUOTE]

They are, their earlier stuff is grind. They underwent a sound change and went melodic death.

since everyone here is probably a hardcore or metalcore fan, may i suggest you check out 2 bands. I killed the prom queen and parkway drive. I saw them last nite and iktpq put one of the best live shows i've ever seen. I beleve they are touring the states soon with evergreen terrace, be sure to check them out.

the offspring aint punk is it?

cause if it is wax ma hair and call me a ***** cause i rekon they kool

p-u-s-s-y isnt a naughty word is it? wats this world coming to

have any of you heard of all out war? i picked up "condemned to suffer" today and its totally different from one of the song i heard before, but they're a really good metalcore band.

[QUOTE=NewKindofArmy03]have any of you heard of all out war? i picked up "condemned to suffer" today and its totally different from one of the song i heard before, but they're a really good metalcore band.[/QUOTE]

My avatar used to be their CD cover, they're pretty good.

[QUOTE=Gotkookie]first off if your talking about the new underoath, your a moron, because their new stuff is ****, they aren't even the same band anymore, they only have 1 original member...[/QUOTE]

I haven't heard the new Underoath album. I didn't even know that they split up. But thats beside the point of you insulting my intelligence just because I might like something you don't. Maybe your just mad at the moment or something. Atreyu is another one of the listed "Metalcore" bands that sound extremely influenced by punk. And no, I haven't heard their new album.

would thursday be emo

[QUOTE=HXCGuitar]I haven't heard the new Underoath album. I didn't even know that they split up. But thats beside the point of you insulting my intelligence just because I might like something you don't. Maybe your just mad at the moment or something. Atreyu is another one of the listed "Metalcore" bands that sound extremely influenced by punk. And no, I haven't heard their new album.[/QUOTE]

Atreyu = Metalcore

Metalcore = Influenced by Hardcore

Hardcore = Heavier, faster punk

Ok. I give up. Branch up everyting into little tributaries. But the main force behind all this music is Hardcore punk.

atreyu isn't metalcore, its just metal, and ****ty metal at that

dooooods, norma jean and like the bled are so hardcore.... they are br00tal. almsot grindcore. those guys are so awesome chugga chugga wee weedle.



no, i'm ****ing kidding. those bads are awful. desperate measures, sick of it all, cromags, judge, youth of today, mental. those are all good hardcore bands. its sad that no one really emphasized on sick of it all. whats up with that?

[QUOTE=Videric]hey dudes

Cock and Ball Torture, Pig Destroyer, and Agoraphobic Nosebleed were the [b]only[/b] grindcore bands that have been mentioned. The other "grindcore" bands aren't grindcore at all. Carcass is commercialized (not as much as cradle of filth) black/death metal (still good), Death is crust, Dillinger Escape Plan is crap :)


[b]GRINDCORE bands :[/b]

Phobia
Cripple Bastards
[COLOR=White]Fu[/COLOR]ck I'm Dead
Excrementory Grindfu[COLOR=White]ck[/COLOR]ers (Funny as hell)
Anal Cunt
Extreme Noise Terror

[b]Crust bands:[/b]

Skitsystem
Wolfbrigade/Wolfpack
Doom
Nausea
Iconoclast (there are a few different bands named this..)
Dystopia (sludge crust)
State of Fear
Dropdead
Misery

Asschapel (black metally crust)
Fall of the Bastards (black metally grindy crust.)[/QUOTE]


holy ****e! this guy knows his ****e. you should have stuck tragedy and Fear, and maybe man is the bastard and his hero is gone or something like that in there. and anal blast.

and dystopia is freakin awesome. one of my favroite bands ever. and doom.... "big brothers watching you everything you say and doooooo. police! police bastards!"

[QUOTE=IHeartMe]dooooods, norma jean and like the bled are so hardcore.... they are br00tal. almsot grindcore. those guys are so awesome chugga chugga wee weedle.



no, i'm ****ing kidding. those bads are awful. desperate measures, sick of it all, cromags, judge, youth of today, mental. those are all good hardcore bands. its sad that no one really emphasized on sick of it all. whats up with that?[/QUOTE]Because Sick Of It All are mediocre.

[QUOTE=iHATEgc]Because Sick Of It All are mediocre.[/QUOTE]

.....

dates for the "you fail me" tour with converge, cave in, and between the buried and me were announced. i can't wait.

[QUOTE=NewKindofArmy03]dates for the "you fail me" tour with converge, cave in, and between the buried and me were announced. i can't wait.[/QUOTE]

*has 3 local dates in a row, is going to go to at least 2 of them*

*they dont come to hawaii* :(

ok whoever said on page 5 that "the 2nd wave of emo" is bands like SDRE, Dashboard, and so on couldnt be more wrong. all thoes bands you mentioned are indie rock/pop punk. they arent emo

im just going to list alot of really good emo bands if you people want to either check them out or know what it is.
early emo: Moss Icon...thats all you need to know
modern emo bands (that are still together): Circle Takes the Square, Welcome the Plague Year, Envy (from Japan), Amanda Woodward (from France), A Day in Black and White, Yaphett Kotto, An Albatross, Kaospilot, Die Emperor! Die, I Would Set Myself on Fire for You, The Kodan Armada, Off Minor and yes i consider Hot Cross to be emo with other influences, and others

in between early and modern emo (most these bands are broken up): I Hate Myself, Maximillan Colby, You and I, Saetia, City of Caterpillar (mixed emo and post rock and did it brillantly), Montcalm, A Petal Fallen, Encyclopedia of American Traitors (heavy grind influence), Jousha Fit for Battle, Jeromes Dream, Usuyrp Synapse (heavy grind influence), I Have Dreams, Heroin, Combatwoundedveteran (heavy grind influence), I Robot, Indian Summer (made one of if not my favorite emo songs of all time called Angry Son), On the Might of Princes (just broke up this year), Neil Perry, Orchid, Pg. 99, Policy of 3, Portraits of the Past, September, Portrait, Twelve Hour Turn, The Khayembii Communique, and so many more

most emo bands arent around for long. your lucky if you get 5 years out of any of them even 3 years. but usually when emo bands break up they go off and form 2 or 3 other emo bands.

aDayInBlackandWhite, I have a question. A lot of the bands you're referring to as emo like You and I, Saetia, Neil Perry, Portrait, Joshua Fit For Battle, Jerome's Dream, Pg.99 etc. etc. are considered screamo. Can you elaborate on that or clear that up at all?

well thats kind of a personal thing to me really. i mean i pretty much consider emo emo. i dont feel the need to use such labels as "hardcore emo" or "screamo" to me its basically the same thing.

actually the term screamo was used to describe a newer type of sound brought on by bands like Saetia, Heroin, etc...bands that came on after the Indian Summer, September kind of sound

I see. That makes sense, actually. Thanks.

no problem. any other questions?

Nope, that's it.