you might have a certain thing in your brain that doesn't let your voice move away from a certain set of tones. There are a few girls in a choir I used to play with that had that problem. I don't know if you can overcome it.

new acoustic recordings.

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/2/slivermusic.htm[/url]

hey guys im going to start a singing forum because i have looked all around the web and found really crappy ones or forums with a small section for it. This forum will hopefully become a sorta "official" singers forum where singers of all styles can some and talk about technique and other stuff. I was just wondering how many of you guys would be interested to see if i should really make this forum. Also if i do make it i was wondering what it should be called.

Silver:hey if i do make the forum, im definately going to have a lessons section and was wondering if i could borrow your singing lessons in this thread. i want to place them in that forum section and give you credit. thnx for the help, im also trying to get good at singing.

Is my unsmooth singing voice(too much vibration when recording) a lack of strong vocal chords/muscles?

[QUOTE=loki_cmr]hey guys im going to start a singing forum because i have looked all around the web and found really crappy ones or forums with a small section for it. This forum will hopefully become a sorta "official" singers forum where singers of all styles can some and talk about technique and other stuff. I was just wondering how many of you guys would be interested to see if i should really make this forum. Also if i do make it i was wondering what it should be called.

Silver:hey if i do make the forum, im definately going to have a lessons section and was wondering if i could borrow your singing lessons in this thread. i want to place them in that forum section and give you credit. thnx for the help, im also trying to get good at singing.[/QUOTE]


yah whatever thats cool.

hey all whats up, cool lessons, i can't tell if they have been overall helpful yet, b/c i have just been in this forum for one day. i love music, i play guitar, i wanna sing. i'm learning and i might take some lessons. from what i gather, vocal chords are just like normal muscles...you have to train them to be strong/sound good. to train them you practice scales among other exercises? correct?

sliver - i like that 'someday' song
guy who wanted the vocal forum - good idea, i would join.
here is a thread from another forum with great advice
[url]http://www.christianguitar.org/forums/showthread.php?t=79443[/url]

man,silver..........your singing sounds great.
keep up the good work.

i have no falsetto voice hah i mean i cant go high at all or do any of the stuff my friends can like even jk around witha high voice it just went away heh but i was wondering if its cuss i dont know how to use it or could it be i just dont have one? for my singing i cant even reach most of the notes bands sing and its just a normal note im just an octave below

what exactly is falsetto? i'm sorry if this has already been asked. i'm assuming that the darkness uses it alot? i've been told i can go higher than him.

[QUOTE=chickenpotpie]what exactly is falsetto? i'm sorry if this has already been asked. i'm assuming that the darkness uses it alot? i've been told i can go higher than him.[/QUOTE]

Falsetto is technically when you use your windpipe like a flute. its the airy high notes that come from using your vocal cords less, opening them up and using your false vocal cords to cut the air. in laymens terms, its when you sing high girly notes. yes, the darkness is a perfect example.

[QUOTE=Burningwater]Is my unsmooth singing voice(too much vibration when recording) a lack of strong vocal chords/muscles?[/QUOTE]

vibrato is quite natural for some people. some people want it and dont have it. as long as the tone is fluctuating in key i wouldnt worry. if youre actually talking about vibrato. otherwise....if it doesnt sound good then youre either closing your throat or youre weak or who knows what. you should send in an example.

[QUOTE=Teh Jude]I can't sing, at all.
I have a relatively lower than normal voice(I'm a girl) and I can't seem to go more than a not above my speaking range.
I can scream way above it, and make it sound OK.
I can't sing though.
What should I do?
-And I hate metal. Don't want to be a screamer.[/QUOTE]

it could be that
1. youre just not made for higher notes with your cords and:
2. your falsetto starts earlier than you like or
3. youre closing off your throat as you try to pull up on the cords for a higher note, a common occurence. read my replies in this thread below. i know you dont want to know how to scream but the principals are all the same. :wave:

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214130[/url]

[QUOTE=Deftone]I've got a big problem. My throat is always always covered with phlegm. This prevents me from singing high. Well high for me at least. I've got a relatively low speaking voice but when I try to sing, the phlegm in my throat contstantly prevents me from singing high. It'll either make my voice crack or just make no sound come out of throat. Is there anyway to get rid of this? I'm not talking about singing high like Geddy Lee of Rush or Coheed and Cambria but like a lot of songs by Thrice. I can sing some of them but I really can't when he sings high. Please help![/QUOTE]

1. drink more water
2. smoking causes it
3. alcohol causes it
4. caffeine can make you have it
5. you could have a drainage problem with your sinuses(hope not)
6. be sure to warm up, try to sing some of it away lightly.
7. say no to milk, heavy foods, watch your diet, etc. when you eat the mucous in your body increases in relation to what you eat.
8. water
9. water
10. oh, and water.
11. and no...no tea, honey and lemon or anything you drink directly affects your cords, contrary to the movies and what people do. if it were so, you woould be choking on the drink!

[QUOTE=Deftone]No I don't think I can even go falsetto because my throat prevents me from doing it. It's really frustrating. Thanks for the help though. I guess maybe Thrice songs are out of my range.[/QUOTE]

if you dont have falsetto, then youre lacking your set of false vocal cords, which is really unlikely. so its not your throat, its you thats not allowing it. You just have to find it, or swallow your pride and go take some lessons. look at my posts in the thread about "how do i scream, theres no singing forum...."
something like that. im too lazy to go get the link. :p

[QUOTE=jackblack]oh man, this is so cool...a bunch of guys talking about singing...and actually knowing what they are talking about...being a choir bumb, i find this impossibly cool. ANYWAY, i'd like to ask you all, is it possible to scream without damaging your voice? If there's a way, i'd take it...i can belt, i can yell on pitch, but cannot for the life of me scream on pitch...any help? or has this already been answered? a way to scream while maintaning a chamber-choir-quality voice, much like switching between the 'clean' and 'distorted' channels on you amplifier? or is that impossible?[/QUOTE]

read my replies in the post downstairs about "how do i scream, there are no singing forums..." something like that. again, im too lazy to go get the link.

[QUOTE=sliver]new acoustic recordings.

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/2/slivermusic.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

ugh. Sorry sliver, but that guitar had way too much compression and EQing. Let the poor thing breathe, dammit!

Oh yeah, nice singing.

i like your singing man, alot.

right, are you american, well silly me of course you are.

but you yanks (no offence) always have voices which puts great emphasis on your accent...us english don't have that :(

oh btw, you sound like chris Carrabba, which is something you should be very proud of

keep up the good work mate :)

who is chris carrabba?

[QUOTE=sliver]new acoustic recordings.

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/2/slivermusic.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

your still amazing, do you have a band?

So in learning to sing. Do I have to be able to be born with the right vocal cords to sing? Or is it something you lean such as an insturment and eventually get good at it?

[QUOTE=Guitar Symphony]So in learning to sing. Do I have to be able to be born with the right vocal cords to sing? Or is it something you lean such as an insturment and eventually get good at it?[/QUOTE]
from what i have read in this forum and many others, there are naturals but if you want to sing well, you must work hard at it. and yes, you eventually get better.

[QUOTE=Guitar Symphony]So in learning to sing. Do I have to be able to be born with the right vocal cords to sing? Or is it something you lean such as an insturment and eventually get good at it?[/QUOTE]


anybody can learn to sing to a pretty decent level. i would say at least good enough to be in a general band. now pushing and screaming and other tricks are another thing. But yes, some people are born with more ability than others of course. but if you think you cant sing you can. you might not be able to do everything you want, but with work you can accomplish alot. again the most common thing people do is mix their vocal cord muscles with there throat muscles. when you learn to isolate them you can work on strengthening and energizing the cords. its kinda like playing the guitar with gloves on. you can do a little but you cant get the feel that it takes to move to the next level. I used to always mess around and sing with the songs i liked and hold a note. but higher notes and stuff i never thought i would be able to sing when i was younger so i never really thought about singin. i too thought it was about being born with it or not. but something clicked and i realized i could do alot. anyone on the planet that isnt handicapped by something can run a mile in under 6 minutes. under 5 is exceptional, under 4 is olympic. but ****, under 6 is good, relatively. but noone wants to work to get there. it might take some a long time, it might take others a short while. but its attainable. might seem impossible at times. but it is. the same thing with anything i think. and the voice is the same. the shape and size of the throat along with the general thickness of the cords and the strength of them are all different traits that could be inherited to make an exceptional singer. but in general it doesnt matter. gah, ever see made on mtv(if youre ever watch mtv.) they had a chubby young guy on there that pretty much sucked as much as you could. but by the time his training was done he could do a pretty good job at opera songs, considering his past ability. and opera songs are hard. point blank. so just practice. and you shouldnt have pain or have to strain when starting out training your voice. keep at it.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]anybody can learn to sing to a pretty decent level. i would say at least good enough to be in a general band. now pushing and screaming and other tricks are another thing. But yes, some people are born with more ability than others of course. but if you think you cant sing you can. you might not be able to do everything you want, but with work you can accomplish alot. again the most common thing people do is mix their vocal cord muscles with there throat muscles. when you learn to isolate them you can work on strengthening and energizing the cords. its kinda like playing the guitar with gloves on. you can do a little but you cant get the feel that it takes to move to the next level. I used to always mess around and sing with the songs i liked and hold a note. but higher notes and stuff i never thought i would be able to sing when i was younger so i never really thought about singin. i too thought it was about being born with it or not. but something clicked and i realized i could do alot. anyone on the planet that isnt handicapped by something can run a mile in under 6 minutes. under 5 is exceptional, under 4 is olympic. but ****, under 6 is good, relatively. but noone wants to work to get there. it might take some a long time, it might take others a short while. but its attainable. might seem impossible at times. but it is. the same thing with anything i think. and the voice is the same. the shape and size of the throat along with the general thickness of the cords and the strength of them are all different traits that could be inherited to make an exceptional singer. but in general it doesnt matter. gah, ever see made on mtv(if youre ever watch mtv.) they had a chubby young guy on there that pretty much sucked as much as you could. but by the time his training was done he could do a pretty good job at opera songs, considering his past ability. and opera songs are hard. point blank. so just practice. and you shouldnt have pain or have to strain when starting out training your voice. keep at it.[/QUOTE]

wow, thanks a lot. I might take up learning to sing. I think I've got what it takes. My old choir teacher used to teach our class how to sing and what not, from there I learned to use my diaphramn and sing through that and not use mostly the throat cause it can screw ur voice to all hell. I've been singing my lyrics that i write cause they come from the heart and I'm not afaid to sing out loud. But when parents aren't home I try a few things.

Question: Is the singer from Muse a good learn? I LOVE his style of singing, but I doubt I can hit the high notes like he can. I know I can sing bass but it's just boring when I wanna sing out loud from the heart y'know? lol

[QUOTE=Guitar Symphony]wow, thanks a lot. I might take up learning to sing. I think I've got what it takes. My old choir teacher used to teach our class how to sing and what not, from there I learned to use my diaphramn and sing through that and not use mostly the throat cause it can screw ur voice to all hell. I've been singing my lyrics that i write cause they come from the heart and I'm not afaid to sing out loud. But when parents aren't home I try a few things.

Question: Is the singer from Muse a good learn? I LOVE his style of singing, but I doubt I can hit the high notes like he can. I know I can sing bass but it's just boring when I wanna sing out loud from the heart y'know? lol[/QUOTE]

I've heard alot about muse but dont recall what they sound like. I'll have to check them out. but yea, singing from the diphragm is key. and if you want to sing then go for it. i didnt think i would end up in love with it as much as i am now. but i dont go a day without singing. for me i use my car and my drives as a chance to train. and yea, i could never sing worth a shlt in front of family, or friends that i know didnt really get my musical tastes. if you sing bass it might be hard to get up high, but with training you might realize that you have a higher range than you thought. its true that you can only go so high. and everyone isnt the same. thing is that you dont know until you train. you might really have a register higher than the guy from muse you know. never sell yourself short.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]I've heard alot about muse but dont recall what they sound like. I'll have to check them out. but yea, singing from the diphragm is key. and if you want to sing then go for it. i didnt think i would end up in love with it as much as i am now. but i dont go a day without singing. for me i use my car and my drives as a chance to train. and yea, i could never sing worth a shlt in front of family, or friends that i know didnt really get my musical tastes. if you sing bass it might be hard to get up high, but with training you might realize that you have a higher range than you thought. its true that you can only go so high. and everyone isnt the same. thing is that you dont know until you train. you might really have a register higher than the guy from muse you know. never sell yourself short.[/QUOTE]

Haha, I think I know I can sing higher then bass, I just have to use a twice the force to sing higher whether it sounds good I don't know. Would need to have someone hear me. I attempted singing higher recently (in the shower of course lol) and I think it came out well (but again, I don't know it really sounds good. never recorded it or anything).

Question: Does hooking a mic up to my guitar amp kind of tell me how my singing sounds? Cause I heard that when someone talks that their voice sounds different from what they think. I recorded my voice through the comp with a cheap headphone type thing, just to hear my voice and it's SOO differnt. It might be the mic, or the computer since I'm just using the default Sound Recorder that comes with windows. :p

[QUOTE=italic zero]ugh. Sorry sliver, but that guitar had way too much compression and EQing. Let the poor thing breathe, dammit!

Oh yeah, nice singing.[/QUOTE]

Yah you're right, I didn't do the mixing on it my friend did, don't worry :) its just a rough demo for now.


[QUOTE=knappster]i like your singing man, alot.

right, are you american, well silly me of course you are.

but you yanks (no offence) always have voices which puts great emphasis on your accent...us english don't have that :(

oh btw, you sound like chris Carrabba, which is something you should be very proud of

keep up the good work mate :)[/QUOTE]


thanks, I don't know who this chris carrabba character is though. and i'm actualy canadian... i guess we talk the same as americans, except people from new york and from the south.


[QUOTE=ScorpSath]your still amazing, do you have a band?[/QUOTE]

yeah i do, we're going to be recording our album by the end of august. I'll post some tracks on here for you guys.

Very nice guides Silver!

I have a pretty bad problem. I can sing as loud, or soft as I want. I'm very versatile. I can imitate many artists out right now. But...whenever I try singing in front of ANYBODY, I get extremely nervous and forget all the lyrics of what I was going to sing, I blush a lot, and I don't know what to do. Doesn't matter who I'm in front of, close friends, family, even just one person and I freeze. I know this may have something related to not being comfortable with my voice, but I don't know what to do to get comfortable with it. I've tried somethings now, but they haven't worked.

Oh yes, and I've been a lurker for quite some time now. Thought it would be time to join. ^_^ Everybody here is very welcoming, unlike some other forums I go to.

hallo...well this is my question:

I really like to sing but i never do it in front of other people, im in the chorous of my school but I dont know if its maybe because they needed people or because I do sing decently...
I have a band and our lead singer left :evil: and i used to make the background voices so everybody in my band started to ask me to sing...and I would do it but, i odnt have a good voice, i mean i am on tune but i would like to sing better, should i take classes i will time make my voice better?

alright im a girl and im 13 and people have said i can sing and people have said im absolutely horrible... one reason i sound bad is because my voice is very deep for a girl im almost a tenor and if i try to sing the upper range of alto my voice cracks... yeah i know thats really weird... but then i can sing like the high notes in bohemian rhapsody and i can also sing soprano... i mean all i can say is my voice is deep and its hard to sing many many rock songs with my weird range

my question is though should i try and sing soprano which i can only do part of, or like mix the octaves with lower alto and high tenor cause it is hard for me...
also, is it normal for my voice to crack i mean im a GIRL...

Some things I thought about while reading this thread.
 

Two things:
1) For those lacking body in their voice try to think about what your throat does when you yawn. Your throat should expand in the space between your chin and your adam's apple. Try to reproduce that when you are singing. It helps.

2) A note on changing tenor to bass, etc.: I'm not sure of any exact technique for lower or raising the range of the vocal chords. However, my stepfather tells me he was a tenor and sang duets with his mother in his church choir that would bring the old folks to tears (not literally I don't think). Upon doing a decent stretch in the army he has become a bass and has become to a degree "tone deaf." Also, I think it's interesting to note the vast difference in the voice of Eric Clapton when he was in Derek and the Dominoes and his voice on From the Cradle (a great blues album I bought for my dad). His voice sounds more like Louie Armstrong's on From the Cradle.