Ok, we recorded a song finally. Not the best because we had to get it all done in 2 hours, and I fvcked up twice (first chorus I said wrong part and said F*CK, then later in the second chorus my timeing was bad, but oh well). right click and save...

[url]http://www.uiproductions.com/ty/ft/Faded Thru - 42 or 7.mp3[/url]

Also, the quality might sound like SH!T or might sound fine, he recorded in stereo on accident so on headphones and some computer speakers it sounds good, but in the car it sounds bad. Oh well. I do the deep growl screamish, and the guitarist sings this song and does the other scream...

Evaluation? Scream wise (for both of us)? Song wise? Any input would be fine. Thanks.

Okie, got a *pretty decent recording, but the vocals lacked a lil :(, maybe we will redo em sometime. Silver, you readin this?

[url]http://www.uiproductions.com/ty/FT-42or7.mp3[/url] - We just kinda tried a couple different things in this one... like him screaming at some parts (his voice was off, he had a soar throat or something).

and something our guitarist put together to play with pro tools if your bored...
[url]http://www.uiproductions.com/ty/FT-na.mp3[/url]

Dum de dum.

Met, Yes both vocalist are off. Music sounds great.

wow, that really worked well.....cheers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok metalig:

it seems to me like your not screaming at all but doing shouting its sort of a different thing... shouting is like singing agressively, which is using your natural voice (or your diaphram voice) to scream. This kind of screaming can damage and hurt your singing voice, it is also difficult to keep this up for long periods of times. Read over the steps I've given on the first page but to summarize:

My technique as describe uses the falsetto / whisper voice, this is its quiet different. It will allow to achieve a much cooler (in my opinion) stronger sounding, and more emotional scream. Falsetto when undeveloped is the weak girly sounding voice you can do, it has a higher range than your normal voice so ultimately it has more versitility for screaming.

At first glance it doesn't seem like its possible to get a good scream with only your falsetto (your throat / head) voice, the trick is mixing this voice with your "whisper voice" and pushing that voice and getting some volume with it. It takes time and practise, and confidence... its not an easy technique to master... let me know if you have any questions.

Your friend is doing a sort of death metal scream, this scream can also be done with my technique, simply instead of singing high pitched notes just sing the lower notes with your falsetto.

Hey, sorry, but im doing the death metal scream :).

By the way, we have a newer better version for you to evaluate. Thanks for that one. In this one I mixed in a scream with my falsetto voice, then say a word, then do the death metal ones. This one also has a better version of Chris (the guitarist, and one you thought was me ;) ) screaming. Let me know what you think...

I will give our guitarist/vocalist a printout of your tips. Hm, a good idea might be summing ALL of your tips into just one HTML page so someone could print them off. I noticed you added some here and there. Just a thought.

Also in this one notice on the verses you can barely hear me whispering in the background... it sounds kinda cool :).

Ok, I am the one with death metal growl and the loud shouty thing. Yea. Any tips again? Thanks man.

[url]http://www.uiproductions.com/ty/ft/Faded%20Thru%20-%2042%20or%207.mp3[/url]

(it is [url]http://www.uiproductions.com/ty/ft/Faded[/url] Thru - 42 or 7.mp3 WITH the spaces, so if the top link doesnt work, just copy and past the whole thing there or something, I dunno- im used to HTML)

EDIT to add: My name on here is metaliq, with a Q. just so you know, i noticed it does look like a g. Peace.

Oh yeah, silver. As a vocalist trying to understand how to do your technique... where is the sound "located"? Might help me.

[QUOTE=italic zero]Oh yeah, silver. As a vocalist trying to understand how to do your technique... where is the sound "located"? Might help me.[/QUOTE]

Try this:

lift up your cheekbones almost to a rediculous extent, (so it looks like your making a stupid grin... sort of like the joker in batman) the higher they are up the more open your throat is to resonating sound. The sound should feel like its comming out of the top of your mouth. You should almost feel a sort of sensation at the top of your throat like your fleghm is being gargled... this will get your that nice raspy sound. If you're new to it you might hurt your throat so I sugguest a spoon of honey or something similiar... honey also will make your scream easier to come out.

Gah! Pushing my falsetto "up" makes the pitch go up a ridiculous amount, even with whisper it's way higher than what I want. Sounds like high screaming DM vocalists.

see when i get a scream its either but using the loudest possible voice (which i hear can hurt you) but im starting to train my voice so it isnt hurting, or its practically a whisper and sounds kinda ****ty if i try to get it loud? what am i doing wrong?

Silver - check out the new mp3? It has some of your style screaming on there, at least I think i did it decently. Just checking to make sure you know I reposted.

[QUOTE=italic zero]Gah! Pushing my falsetto "up" makes the pitch go up a ridiculous amount, even with whisper it's way higher than what I want. Sounds like high screaming DM vocalists.[/QUOTE]

I also have this problem sometimes, however with practise you can learn to make the falsetto not so DM and high pitched :chug:

I know this is old in a way, but I dont think you covered one type of scream... at least I have no idea on how to reach it.

Check out some Haste The Day, more specifically Who we are (you can get some clear screams in that one).

I noticed how his voice is 'scratchy' right away, but sounds kind of like your technique. Any idea how he got this? If you covered this already, I must have missed it, so you could just point me to it... if not... yea...

Thanks.

i've been testing a away of screaming. its kinda weird, but u ever try cracking your voice on purpose to sound like a funny 13 year old? get that pitch and push air out and get it kinda scratchy, it sounds sorta like a sccream

Say Sliver, I saw what you said about raising your cheekbones high up and all for the scream, but is there a way to do a type of shout thing more then a scream? Like not as loud?

I don't think you can do a shout scream in falsetto. So you gotta ruin your voice :cool:

How can I scream like Vendetta Red?

Hey Guys:
I 've been reading all 9 pages of this thread, and I can tell ya...screaming in the context of singing in a song is very" in" right now......
I am 44 years old, but I have been singing professionally for 23 years now. Hard rock, 80's metal....I have studied & practiced for many years. The truth is, and it has been said a few times in this thread, that screaming, will destroy your vocal chords over the long run. How long do you intend to be "doing" a singing career is the first question I would ask myself.
The key here is to minimalize the damage, and of course that takes technique & many years of practice. I notice a lot of you guys are just starting our 14-17 years old. If your in this age range, remember, you voice & vocal chords are not fully developed yet, so your style & range & actual tone will change somewhat as you get into your early 20's.
Back in the late 70's & early 80's when I first started doing larger shows & arena's, I studied all the great singers of those days. Rob Halford...Excellent screamer, I am hoping he still has the same range & power when he goes out on tour this summer.
I have heard this from all my teachers..."Your voice is your instrument". as I have gotten older , this is so true. I am fortunate, I don't drink. smoke, or do drugs, so I can sing ,as long or as strong as any 20 yo rock singer.
I have studied at Chicago Music Conservatory for Advanced Vocals & Theory with William Rusch, and I studied for 2 years with Elisabeth Sabine, in Los Angeles a sweet english lady, who trained all the 80's hard rock & metal screamers...
I would be happy to try to answer any questions you might have on vocals.
Some of the stuff I don't agree with, that I have seen written in this thread, is that you NEVER sing from your throat...Without diaphramic control & support, you will blow your voice & vocal chords out in a matter of months. No one here has ever discussed Power Falsetto screams, which is a technic Lou Graham from Foreigner used for many years. Power falsetto is the use of your head voice, supported by your diaphram, to create an effect of singing in an amazingly high register. Also, speaking of effects, all of todays screamers, from Maynard, Manson, Mudvayne, ALL use vocal effects in the studio & live, which I will get into later.
Hey most important, keep your voice healthy....
Jay Link

I would like to know how to scream like Vendetta Red. The singer's scream is somewhat high and as for me I have a medium type scream if that makes any sense. I would also like to know some warm up exercises for singing and using your power falsetto. Thanks a lot Jay :)

Hey SchismBassist:
I was listening to some Vendetta Red Tracks....he has a really powerful higher end scream....
His technic is using a short staccatto burst....
In order to acquire that range you have to practice. Remember all these screams are basically done in power falsetto...that is using the head voice with some push...or diaphramic support.
The best way to increase your range in chest and head voices are to do the boring old scales,& the La La stuff C D E F G A B C ...start out softer.. Then try to go up another octave...use a regular speaking voice & then increase the volume a bit...
We also use a technics to feel the pallett (top of mouth) called singing Minnows...
the vocal pattern sung is a standard scale but saying it like" Min oooo (long O)
Min oooo which makes you feel the seperation on the M & then the long O...
Sounds kinda weird, but it works...Another old trick is to tighten a belt around your diaphram area, which is your upper stomach & a little lower than mid chest...use a belt..tight but not too tight..
This will make you accutely aware of your diaphragm moving & not using your throat to sing..
Also, relax your neck & shoulders , keep your jaws loose..and always try to visualize your notes, even when you sing along with another singer for practice. Always warm up this way before gigs or recording.
One last little hint on singing...
Here, I have covered some of the mechanics of singing, but the fact is singing is basically a way of communicating with shouting..but shouting notes on key....
If you remember back to when you were very young, & you wanted to go over to a friends house, & you stood outside & yelled at the top of your lungs HEY JOHNNY YOOO JOHNNY C"MONN OUTSIDE......
well, if you scream that real loud regardless of the key you use. That is the effect you are trying to create. Unihibited vocals. We get so caught up in the thinking process, do I suck? Can I hit that note? Will they like what I'm singing? Why am I doing this etc....
Go back to when you were free & unhindered & just yell & rock out & Have a great time with singing...You will find , that you have a voice inside, that you yourself, might just be holding back by all the head trips we singers create for ourselves...
Now, go on ROCK the house down...

Jay

Awesome. Thanks a lot Jay. *Puts on cd player* See ya!

Hey Jay, could you please tell me how to do a shouting type of "scream"? Like Chris #2 of Anti-flag, more specifically in the songs Right to Choose or You can Kill the Protestor, You Can't Kill the Protest? I know its not really a scream it's more singing but its kinda crackly, you know..? Just please I need some tips, this is the whole reason I joined these forums is because I want to know how to do it, so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot

Hey Osirisblind:
Chris # 2 has a very powerful tenor voice...he is basically shouting on key in his chest voice...he has a lot of support. On the two tracks I heard he has a bit of microphone distortion going on...he has a naturally gritty quality to his voice.
80's rock singer Bob Seeger had this gravely quality to his voice for years & ended up with many nodes & needed operations to have them removed..
When you try to get this effect vocally, make sure you keep your throat muscles relaxed & try to push from the diaphram...Again, this is a hard style of singing, so keep on practicing.... no more that 1/2 hour a day to build on this kind of vocal style..until you feel comfortable & not hoarse & pain in the throat after a few songs...

Jay

Jaylink: can you tell me how damaging my vocals I am doing are to my voice?

I am doing more so growl/death metal stuff right now, and it doesnt hurt my throat. Its already been explained in here how I did it, and the mp3 is at [url]www.fadedthru.com[/url] if you want to listen to it. I would just like to know how bad that is for you, any idea?

So is the haste the day scream done up with studio effects? Check out 'who we are'. Thanks.

First of all for a younger band faded thru has some pretty good chops....
Vocally, you need to strengthen your regular singing voice, but you are on the right track...
the low end growls are cool, but using just a bit of overdrive or tube distortion would make them sound even better.
As long as your throat is not raw & painful after singing, I would say , you are at least singing with some diaphram support, but remember, you are still putting a lot of stress on your vocal chords...so take care of your voice..& you should be OK....
I just listened to Haste the Day track "Substance", and Yes, they use many effects...distortion, harmonizers, octave dividers, & digital processors ro get that effect...Sounds great, but you will destroy your vocal chords trying to produce that vocal sound with a "Dry" human voice...he must have "layered" over or multi tracked that vocal at least 3-4 times..all studio tricks...then they use a new digital Quantizer effect, which makes all the vocals sound "Huge"...it takes lot's of money ,a great studio & engineer & producer to get those sounds....

Your on the right track....
Keep rockin...
Jay

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jay, you have helped me most. i knew that this whisper falsetto voice and pushing air out was not a scream, an as long as u dont do it for long periods of time and keep throat hydrated, go loud.

Okay, I'm going to really try it now. To start going for something, I figured I'd try a Maynard type scream, which you said could be easily done with the falsetto technique. So a run through of any specifics I should know for this type of scream would be nice.

Hey Itallic Zero...
Just start out slow, & bulid up..
If you push too hard & use too much throat, again, you will put a lot of stress on your vocal chords..
Maynard has a few vocal riffs that start out on a lower register & he builds to that higher scream..
So, I would work along with one of his recording to make sure your phrasing & intonation are right on...

Good Luck...
I am going to start an Online rock vocal clinic next month, that will be super cheap, with one on one instruction, phone calls & some mp's & video's...
I'll keep you guys posted on that....

Jay

Underoath or The Used??
 

Hey Jay...

Maybe you can help me out a little bit... I really want to learn how to scream in the style of "Young and Aspiring" - Underoath or The Used but I don't know where to start or what I should be doing. I have an decent singing voice, however I've never taken lessons. I know that no two screams sound alike, but I'd really like to learn how to scream using their technique... you can listen to "Young and Aspiring" here: [url]http://www.purevolume.com/Underoath/music[/url]

Thanks,

Soundless.Vow