Hey, man, cut it out now or get the fu[font=]ck[/font] out of this thread. Can't you handle a little criticism of the band?

[QUOTE=Kage]While that's true, to say that Third Eye has little change is just plain foolish.

Your comment on Porcupine Tree was also pretty foolish.[/QUOTE]


I've only heard songs of in Absentia, and they're both clearly prog rock, same style. That's what I hear. Just a bit more energetic.


And Third Eye didn't have much change for the length it had, to pull off a thirteen minute track, you have to surprise me with something new each minute, otherwise it gets hopelessly boring.


[QUOTE]thats great im glad you think so superqueer but all i hear are stupid things from you.[/QUOTE]


Great point, man, really shows off your vast musical knowledge, not to mention your near genius intelligence.

i think i have to check out porcupine tree... i once downloaded the song 'piano lesson' and i hated it, cause i heard it on the radio all the time.

but that was some years ago

[QUOTE=Superpeer]I've only heard songs of in Absentia, and they're both clearly prog rock, same style. That's what I hear. Just a bit more energetic.


And Third Eye didn't have much change for the length it had, to pull off a thirteen minute track, you have to surprise me with something new each minute, otherwise it gets hopelessly boring.[/QUOTE]
But I thought that Tool is modern rock in your opinion? Because Porcupine Tree is clearly a progressive rock band, that's where I was confused.

Eh, I guess you're right...there are basically two segemnts of the song with different main melodies that get varied throughout the whole thing. I find it interesting enough. :-\

superpeer you must not like pink floyd one bit huh?

Third eye doesn't change that much. It only has a few riffs, though i just love the atmosphere it gives off, and maynards 'so good to see you...' bit is quality. Oh and the solos are great too.

But i can see where 'peer is coming from. He doesn't like the vocals, so tool is pretty much lost. Wouldn't you agree that most songs are driven by Maynard? The rest of the band just give him a building block or complement him.

And come on Saying Kyuss aren't liek tool because it's 'stoner rock' What the fu[SIZE=4]ck[/SIZE] is stoner rock? Rock played by stoners? Why does that make it different to rock played by non-stoners? I think the way that kyuss is very riff based, without showing much virtuosity on the guitr side of things is comparable to tool. As is the general sludgieness of the music.

[QUOTE=Kage]But I thought that Tool is modern rock in your opinion? Because Porcupine Tree is clearly a progressive rock band, that's where I was confused.

Eh, I think there's enough change in Third Eye. There are basically two segemnts of the song with different main melodies that get varied throughout the whole thing. I find it interesting enough. :-\[/QUOTE]

Well yeah, but since you were all calling Tool progressive rock, I thought it would have been clearer. I guess, yeah, both are basically modern rock, with progressive elements, but not enough to be called progressive in my opinion. But then again, I'm not a big prog fan, sometimes making really long songs is considered progressive. Maybe i'm just interpreting the term wrongly.

And yeah, you must like it because you're probably a tool fan, that's why you're here. It might have been caused by the fact, that it's all the way at the end, and I was getting very bored. :p

My loss, probably, Tool fans seem to quite passionate about the music.


[quote]superpeer you must not like pink floyd one bit huh?[/quote]

I'm not a big fan, no. Are you gonna use that as an argument?

[QUOTE=clearvision]

And come on Saying Kyuss aren't liek tool because it's 'stoner rock' What the fu[SIZE=4]ck[/SIZE] is stoner rock? Rock played by stoners? Why does that make it different to rock played by non-stoners? I think the way that kyuss is very riff based, without showing much virtuosity on the guitr side of things is comparable to tool. As is the general sludgieness of the music.[/QUOTE]

Heh, uh, stoner rock is a genre. That's like saying "Death metal is all about people killing other people."

[QUOTE=clearvision]But i can see where 'peer is coming from. He doesn't like the vocals, so tool is pretty much lost. Wouldn't you agree that most songs are driven by Maynard? The rest of the band just give him a building block or complement him.[/QUOTE]
Actually Maynard would heavily disagree with that statement. He's adament in saying that he is strictly just 1/4 of the band, and that he's adding to the whole. I can upload an interview with him that someone else posted here months ago.

[QUOTE]Great point, man, really shows off your vast musical knowledge, not to mention your near genius intelligence.[/QUOTE] christ! dont base your opinion of US on him please thanks.

[QUOTE]thats great that you actually listened to the whole album but I really don't care to hear what you thought of it cause it doesn't sound like you know **** about music. I guess you shouldve listened to lateralus if you wanted to hear some complex songs, but they probably wouldve been to long for you.[/QUOTE] Neg rep and STFU please :thumb:

[QUOTE=Superpeer]Well yeah, but since you were all calling Tool progressive rock, I thought it would have been clearer. I guess, yeah, both are basically modern rock, with progressive elements, but not enough to be called progressive in my opinion. But then again, I'm not a big prog fan, sometimes making really long songs is considered progressive. Maybe i'm just interpreting the term wrongly.

And yeah, you must like it because you're probably a tool fan, that's why you're here. It might have been caused by the fact, that it's all the way at the end, and I was getting very bored. :p

My loss, probably, Tool fans seem to quite passionate about the music.[/QUOTE]
Acutally, if you listen to Porcupine Tree's old stuff, then they're more than progressive elements...they're a full-on Progressive rock band. It's only lately that they've been more "modern-rocky." Stuff like Voyage 34 and Metonia is Prog rock at its most pure.

If you took away one peice of Tool, you'd be lost, IMO. Like BlindWriting said, Maynard is just adding to the whole.

for some weird reason i don't think tool is the only band with passionate fans, i don't know maybe im wrong AREN'T MOST PEOPLE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE MUSIC THEY LISTEN TO?

[QUOTE=clearvision]But i can see where 'peer is coming from. He doesn't like the vocals, so tool is pretty much lost. [B]Wouldn't you agree that most songs are driven by Maynard? The rest of the band just give him a building block or complement him.[/B] [/quote]

isn't it the opposite? i once read an interview how tool is making his records; the band plays as long they come up with a good riff,then maynard tries to see/feel the whole picture and think what lyrics will sound good, to complete the picture.

[QUOTE=clearvision]And come on Saying Kyuss aren't liek tool because it's 'stoner rock' What the fu[SIZE=4]ck[/SIZE] is stoner rock? Rock played by stoners? Why does that make it different to rock played by non-stoners? I think the way that kyuss is very riff based, without showing much virtuosity on the guitr side of things is comparable to tool. As is the general sludgieness of the music.[/QUOTE]

kyuss is more in the style of quotsa, than tool. that's what i wanted to say. and yes, they have great riffs.

[QUOTE=faith+1]christ! dont base your opinion of US on him please thanks.
[/QUOTE]

I didn't? :\

Look, if you guys want me to get the hell out, just tell me. :lol:


[QUOTE]Acutally, if you listen to Porcupine Tree's old stuff, then they're more than progressive elements...they're a full-on Progressive rock band. It's only lately that they've been more "modern-rocky." Stuff like Voyage 34 and Metonia is Prog rock at its most pure.[/QUOTE]

Ah. Well, like I said, I've only heard newer stuff.

[QUOTE]why the hell are you in a tool thread if you think they suck[/QUOTE] Better question. Why are you more ignorant than me? you deserve to die.

[QUOTE]for some weird reason i don't think tool is the only band with passionate fans, i don't know maybe im wrong AREN'T MOST PEOPLE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE MUSIC THEY LISTEN TO?[/QUOTE] Caps lock is right next to your pinky. Turn off please


And all this genre talk is giving me a headache.....
[QUOTE]
I didn't? :\[/QUOTE] ok good. :cool:

[QUOTE]Look, if you guys want me to get the hell out, just tell me.[/QUOTE] Nah, you are fine. :)

[QUOTE=Superpeer]I didn't? :\

Look, if you guys want me to get the hell out, just tell me. :lol:[/QUOTE]
YES! You've compltely disrupted the harmony of this thread :p

Actually, this is the only Tool-related talk we've even had in forever.

[QUOTE=lucky luciano]for some weird reason i don't think tool is the only band with passionate fans, i don't know maybe im wrong AREN'T MOST PEOPLE PASSIONATE ABOUT THE MUSIC THEY LISTEN TO?[/QUOTE]

Coincidentally, most bands also have idiot fans.

[size=1] Hint hint..[/size]

[QUOTE=Kage]YES! You've compltely disrupted the harmony of this thread :p

Actually, this is the only Tool-related talk we've even had in forever.[/QUOTE]

That's what I thought, you fags! If all of you guys would post in the community thread, it wouldn't die as much.

[QUOTE=Dr. Jake Destructo]Heh, uh, stoner rock is a genre. That's like saying "Death metal is all about people killing other people."[/QUOTE]

Hmm point taken, but i think it's a ridiculous name for a genre :)

Maynard can say what he likes about how he fits into the band, but for me it's all about complementing his lines. the drums, bass and guitar just back him up and fill in the spaces when he doesn't sing. This does complete the band, and he is just a part of the band, without the other members the band wouldn't be as good. But he is the main focal point of the band..

faith are you that worried about what people on internet think of you? If so im sorry and maybe YOU should STFU. please.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]That's what I thought, you fags! If all of you guys would post in the community thread, it wouldn't die as much.[/QUOTE]
We've got our own community right here.

/clique


Hey luciano, get the hell out of here. All you're doing is casuing conflict.

[QUOTE]faith are you that worried about what people on internet think of you? If so im sorry and maybe YOU should STFU. please.[/QUOTE] Dang it :upset: i totally got Pwned.

You > ME im so sorry.

[QUOTE]That's what I thought, you fags! If all of you guys would post in the community thread, it wouldn't die as much.[/QUOTE] :lol:

[QUOTE=lucky luciano]faith are you that worried about what people on internet think of you? If so im sorry and maybe YOU should STFU. please.[/QUOTE]

Are you so worried about what people on the internet think of Tool?

no i really could care less. but i don't really understand why you would come to a tool thread if you don't like them, explain that to me.

[QUOTE=Superpeer]Are you so worried about what people on the internet think of Tool?[/QUOTE]

Because he's a n00b, leave him alone..

It's one thing to come into our thread and slag off our band, it is completeley another to try and discipline our n00bs.

/overprotective.

[QUOTE=lucky luciano]no i really could care less. but i don't really understand why you would come to a tool thread if you don't like them, explain that to me.[/QUOTE]

He is a mod, he was fixing something. We told him how special tool were, he said give me an album I'll give you my opinion. Hence we invited him to come share his opinion, stop whining.

[QUOTE=lucky luciano]faith are you that worried about what people on internet think of you? If so im sorry and maybe YOU should STFU. please.[/QUOTE]

I'd actually be happier if you died, than if faith did, personally. But hey, this is just me. I mean, some people must loooove morons, so I guess you can just take this as a grain of salt.


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Jelle- I don't mean to push Tool on you or anything, but before you totally place Tool on your sucky list, give each song in individual listen. Like, maybe listen to one or two at a time, if you're not digging the length of the album. Skip the fillers, of course, but try it. Perhaps you'll find my enjoyment this way, or something. :p

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tool = avantgarde metal :D :D

its just a friendly argument kage, take some midol and try to calm down

[QUOTE]no i really could care less. but i don't really understand why you would come to a tool thread if you don't like them, explain that to me.[/QUOTE] Cause I hate the band. My hole intraweb expirience is based on pissing off tool fans. HAHA that will show those freaks! :dude with the horns: