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Kronos 10-06-2006 03:23 PM

See, I told you I didn't know much about keys and stuff. At least I was partly correct in my instincts

Det_Nosnip 10-06-2006 04:00 PM

Kinda...? :p

SW doesn't have a problem singing in different keys, trust me. Technically speaking, he's probably a better vocalist than Mikael, but I find the latter a bit more emotional.

TojesDolan 10-06-2006 04:02 PM

Yes indeed. What Mikael lacks in technique makes up for it in emotional singing.

Dr. Jake Destructo 10-06-2006 04:15 PM

Wilson's 3+ part harmonies are what make him stand out in my mind.

BurningSky 10-06-2006 04:25 PM

Porcupine Tree uses the standard rock keys, C, G, and D...

The reason why a lot of Porcupine Tree songs sound similar is because SW has signature chords that he uses in almost every song. Those chords are Dsus2, Cadd9, Dm9, and Bb6sus2 (?)...

Kronos 10-06-2006 04:31 PM

I knew this would get all technical... BurningSky, I was with you til Cadd9, then my mind f r o z e...

Kage 10-06-2006 04:32 PM

I don't think many PT songs sound the same.

TojesDolan 10-06-2006 04:34 PM

And E, A minors are what?

WHAT?

BurningSky 10-06-2006 05:23 PM

Um..how do I explain what key signatures and chord names are to a nonmusician..?

Tabwise, the chords look like this:

e-0--0--0--1----------
B-3--3--6--1----------
G-2--0--5--0----------
D-0--2--0--0----------
A----3-----1--------
E-----------------

Those are Dsus2, Cadd9, Dm9, and Bb6sus2 respectively...

Shattered_Future 10-06-2006 05:33 PM

I love minor 9 chords.

lightningmetal666 10-06-2006 05:44 PM

I win with technical chords. Here's a chord that I wrote (and it works musically):

Dsus2+5/G (followed by Dsus2/G)
eb:-0----:---0--|
bb:-3----:---3--|
gb:-3----:---2--|
db:-0----:---0--|
ab:-0----:---0--|
db:-5----:---5--|

Or try this chord:

Fmaj7b5/C:
eb:-0-:
bb:-0-:
gb:-2-:
db:-3-:
ab:-3-:
db:-0-:

Truth be told, I didn't know that these were the names of the chords that I wrote until now.

BurningSky 10-06-2006 05:52 PM

I'm a huge fan of this chord, which is a Bm6add9...

9
7
7
6
x
7

And this inversion of an E7 chord...

x
5
7
6
x
7

lightningmetal666 10-06-2006 05:58 PM

I like this progression:

Am to Amb5 to Em/B to Fmaj7b5/C

-or in tab-

eb:-0-:-0:-0-:-0-:
bb:-1-:-1:-0-:-0-:
gb:-2-:-2:-0-:-2-:
db:-2-:-1:-2-:-3-:
ab:-0-:-0:-2-:-3-:
db:-0-:-0:-X-:-0-:

BurningSky 10-06-2006 06:12 PM

How about this progression:

e----------------6--9-------------------------
B--6--6--3--2---6--7------------------------------
G--5--5--4--4---6--7------------------------------
D--6--6--4--3---5--6------------------------------
A--x--x--x--x---x---x-----------------------------
E--5--4--4--4---6--7------------------------------

That is A6, Fm, G#m7b5, C#7, Bbm6, Bm6add9...

It sounds great with an aggressive rhythm. Very powerful and dissonant...

Det_Nosnip 10-06-2006 08:17 PM

[QUOTE=BurningSky;13393882]Porcupine Tree uses the standard rock keys, C, G, and D...

The reason why a lot of Porcupine Tree songs sound similar is because SW has signature chords that he uses in almost every song. Those chords are Dsus2, Cadd9, Dm9, and Bb6sus2 (?)...[/QUOTE]

I don't speak guitarspeak. What's a Bb6sus2?

Also, I believe that Sting was really into 9th chords as well.

Det_Nosnip 10-06-2006 08:32 PM

Aaah, ok...and does the 6 imply that the 5th is replaced by a 6, or is the 6th in addition to the 5th?

Det_Nosnip 10-06-2006 09:15 PM

Well, alot of jazz chords exclude the 5th but leave in the 3rd.

Deth 10-06-2006 09:18 PM

I'm seeing Opeth tomorrow! Zomg!

Shattered_Future 10-06-2006 09:40 PM

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip;13395402]Well, alot of jazz chords exclude the 5th but leave in the 3rd.[/QUOTE]

When I play jazz chords, I usually just play 1, 3, and 7 if the chord doesn't call for anything else.

Opeth live is sweetness.

eighty d 10-06-2006 09:58 PM

I hate listening to guitarists talk about chords (I'm a guitarist). Such as BurningSky's Bbm6. He means that a 6th is added into the chord, but in normal theory a 6 after a chord just means it's in first inversion, the 3rd would be in the bass.

Ah, confusing...

Det_Nosnip 10-06-2006 10:09 PM

Yeah, shouldn't it be Bbmadd6, or something similar to that?

Captain Quentin 10-06-2006 10:51 PM

what genre is porcupine tree?

Eliminator 10-06-2006 11:06 PM

borecore

Det_Nosnip 10-06-2006 11:21 PM

Wow, that was...pointless. :rolleyes:

I would say that PT is progressive post rock.

Clunge 10-07-2006 03:06 AM

PT switch genres too much to be nailed down as one.

'Something' - Rock.

Captain Quentin 10-07-2006 06:03 AM

ahh i see :p are they anything like dream theater?

jpshortstuff 10-07-2006 06:05 AM

i wouldn't say they are. they're progressive, but different.

Clunge 10-07-2006 06:13 AM

[QUOTE=Captain Quentin;13396915]ahh i see :p are they anything like dream theater?[/QUOTE]
They're a much more varied band than DT imo, and if you're into any progressive music you'll love Porcupine Tree.

Eliminator 10-07-2006 08:36 AM

[QUOTE=Clunge;13396928]They're a much more varied band than DT imo, and if you're into any progressive music you'll love Porcupine Tree.[/QUOTE]

this theory hasn't worked out for me yet

BurningSky 10-07-2006 09:26 AM

The best way to describe Porcupine Tree IMO is progressive pop-rock. The progressive covers all of their ambient instrumental sections, the pop covers their catchiness and verse-chorus-verse song structures, and the rock covers the instrument setup and the band's tone...

So yeah, progressive pop-rock...


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