People mostly ask me to what's the difference between power/trash/heavy/gothic and melodic metal when i let them hear it they mostly understand but to me the difference is simple Heavy is more rhythm and solo like TRash is less solo and more hard riffs Power is a little har dto explain for me(as i only like Helloween as power)
Gothic is lots of melodies like in nightwish whit the synthesiser. Melodic like Sonata arctica is obvious to hear like the way he plays the solo's on the guitar

atleast this is my oppinion

Theres an "h" in thrash, and Nightiwsh and Sonata Arctica are both power metal. Gothic is stuff like Moonspell, allthough I know little about the genre as it isn't very big. :)

That was the ****. Great thread. Finally, someone contrasted black and death metal. I was waiting for that.

What exactly would Zeke be?

[QUOTE=Tangy zizzle]Can we get definitions for Alternative Metal, Grindcore and Avant-Garde Metal??[/QUOTE]

Grindcore, what is that
Good list Threadstarter

very helpful thread... i can now show this to my mates and be like ave some of that.. i was right..

You forgot stoner metal.

I have a question. So i can settle an argument, is Linkin Park any type of Metal, and if so, what type?

Nu-Metal.

[QUOTE]Nu-metal is the newest craze to hit mainstream rock radio. Without trying to bash it too much, generally speaking the music structure is very simplistic. Lyrics cover subjects that are close to todays teens (depression, abuse, drugs etc). There are very few guitar solos and the one's that are there are typically very simple and short. Vocals can range from the more metal influenced to a fusion of metal and rap. Guitars are often downtuned or drop tuned. This genre is generally not very popular among listeners of other metal music, but it is the newest craze and therefore very promoted and heavily played on the radio. Bands: Slipknot, Mudvayne, System Of A Down, Papa Roach, P.O.D., [b]Linkin Park[/b], Disturbed.[/QUOTE]

THANK you! Sorry, I didn't notice it in the defs. I'm a n00b *sniff sniff*

No problem. I'm happy I could help. :)

Welcome to the Forums.

[QUOTE=Ninja Bass Man]I have a question. So i can settle an argument, is Linkin Park any type of Metal, and if so, what type?[/QUOTE]

Most nu-metal is not really metal... this includes Linkin Park

Some of their stuff is just pop music, some of it is hard rock

I can't think of a single song of theirs that I would classsify as metal

They are at the popular end of the Metal spectrum, but that doesn't make them any less Metal.

Yes, that is true. i do consider linkin park only hard rock. if the term nu metal didnt exist. but i like some of their songs though.

[QUOTE=G_Mac07]They are at the popular end of the Metal spectrum, but that doesn't make them any less Metal.[/QUOTE]

The singing isn't metal, the drumming isn't metal, the guitar playing 90% of the time isn't metal.... need I go on?

[QUOTE=KittensInMicrowaves]The singing isn't metal, the drumming isn't metal, the guitar playing 90% of the time isn't metal.... need I go on?[/QUOTE]

Not for the moment. I'll download an album of my network tomorrow and give it a listen. If I feel compelled to argue after doing that, then I will.

[QUOTE=KittensInMicrowaves]The singing isn't metal, the drumming isn't metal, the guitar playing 90% of the time isn't metal.... need I go on?[/QUOTE]

Define metal drumming. Define metal guitarwork. Define metal vocals.

Last I checked, Michael Kiske never sang like Chris Barnes, Lemmy, or Rob Halford. Does that make Helloween less metal?

[QUOTE=KittensInMicrowaves]Most nu-metal is not really metal... this includes Linkin Park

Some of their stuff is just pop music, some of it is hard rock

I can't think of a single song of theirs that I would classsify as metal[/QUOTE]

Oh shut up, you don't have the slightest clue to what you are talking about. Linkin Park is Nu-[b]Metal[/b] as in Metal that has hip-hop/funk influence. Their riffs are definately Metal styled, specifically Nu-Metal styled, and Chester Bennington does do 'metal vocals' so to speak, he screams and shouts and does clean singing. Linkin Park is not purely Heavy Metal, that's why we have [b]sub-genres[/b].

Also, define Pop-Music, I see no resemblance between Linkin Park and N'Snyc, maybe you mean ELECTRONICA. Once more, GENRE MIXING.

I believe this thread needs a pretty good bump, what d'ya guys say?

[quote=Eleventeen]Oh shut up, you don't have the slightest clue to what you are talking about. Linkin Park is Nu-[B]Metal[/B] as in Metal that has hip-hop/funk influence. Their riffs are definately Metal styled, specifically Nu-Metal styled, and Chester Bennington does do 'metal vocals' so to speak, he screams and shouts and does clean singing. Linkin Park is not purely Heavy Metal, that's why we have [B]sub-genres[/B].

Also, define Pop-Music, I see no resemblance between Linkin Park and N'Snyc, maybe you mean ELECTRONICA. Once more, GENRE MIXING.[/quote]

oh boy, I'm going to have a heyday with you........

1. Nu-Metal does not automatically have hip hop or punk influence. Disturbed, Mudvayne, 40 Below Summer, etc. all have little or no influence of either kind. Nu-Metal is simply mainstream metal with electronics and keyboard usage(or whiny vocals........J/K).

2. Pop music can be defined as anything that is popular.....hence the term POP. Get it? Kataklysm would be pop if it were wildly popular on TRL. Do not define a genre by its popularity, it makes us all look like asses.

Yes, and Vehemence is black metal.

Get a clue dude, you're full of sh[color=silver]it[/color].

[QUOTE=atreyu_breakingbenjamin]oh boy, I'm going to have a heyday with you........

1. Nu-Metal does not automatically have hip hop or punk influence. Disturbed, Mudvayne, 40 Below Summer, etc. all have little or no influence of either kind. Nu-Metal is simply mainstream metal with electronics and keyboard usage(or whiny vocals........J/K).

2. Pop music can be defined as anything that is popular.....hence the term POP. Get it? Kataklysm would be pop if it were wildly popular on TRL. Do not define a genre by its popularity, it makes us all look like asses.[/QUOTE]
quote on "1" - just what i thought nu-metal to be. never heard a hint of hip-hop in any such band. hmm.
quote on "2" - absolutely, "pop" is no way to define any genre of music, it's just, as the above implies, any music that is widely listened to.

would a good example of nu-metal, according to the above description, be "x-ecutioners"?? heard them on scuzz and wasn't too keen.

I wanna know what bands are 'Avant-Metal'

I like Zappa so I assume it would be good.

[QUOTE=atreyu_breakingbenjamin]oh boy, I'm going to have a heyday with you........

1. Nu-Metal does not automatically have hip hop or punk influence. Disturbed, Mudvayne, 40 Below Summer, etc. all have little or no influence of either kind. Nu-Metal is simply mainstream metal with electronics and keyboard usage(or whiny vocals........J/K).

2. Pop music can be defined as anything that is popular.....hence the term POP. Get it? Kataklysm would be pop if it were wildly popular on TRL. Do not define a genre by its popularity, it makes us all look like asses.[/QUOTE]
Mudvayne and Disturbed both have really prevalent hip-hop influence with their rhythm sections. And metal can have electronics and keyboards and often does more commonly out of the nu-metal mostly with genres like power, prog, and Gothenburg metal.

Also Cindy Lauper is pop even though she's never had that much popularity.

[QUOTE=Senator Screw You]I wanna know what bands are 'Avant-Metal'

I like Zappa so I assume it would be good.[/QUOTE]
Age of Silence
Agalloch
Arcturus
Winds

[QUOTE=guitrguy]Age of Silence
Agalloch
Arcturus
Winds[/QUOTE]

I can't find any Winds ANYWHERE!

Arcturus only made one Avant-Garde album, La Masquerade Infernale. Aspera was symphonic black, Sham and Sideshow are progressive metal.

Another Avant-Garde band with a more metal leaning is Sigh. Bunch of Japanese hippies, they're great.

Some more avant-garde:
Peccatum (also kinda goth)
Frantic Bleep
Subterranean Masquerade
Ulver

also, I don't really see Agalloch as being avant-garde, more so just folk metal.

I have to go with Kittens In Microwaves for this one, I don't think Nu-Metal is Metal either. People get hung up on the name way too much, just becuase someone calls it that doesn't mean it is.

Root beer is not beer, and so names really don't mean that much.

[QUOTE=Eleventeen]Some more avant-garde:
also, I don't really see Agalloch as being avant-garde, more so just folk metal.[/QUOTE]

Folk Metal with a lot of Progressive and Symphonic Black traits.

You forgot Dark Tranquillity for melodic death. I would say they're a key band in that genre.