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unknownsoldier12 10-10-2006 07:57 AM

I already have them, just never paid for them.

I figured I would wait till I have all their albums, then worry about obtaining a legitimate copy at that time...

Also, the tab for "Are you Dead Yet?" is in the new Guitar World. I was curious and had to have a listen

MRDuCran 10-10-2006 07:58 AM

Ah right fair enough.

unknownsoldier12 10-10-2006 07:59 AM

Hey, I wanted to ask you...

Those sweeps in Silent Night, Bodom Night, those are sextuplets at 120bpm, aren't they?

MRDuCran 10-10-2006 08:36 AM

Certainly are.

The ones in Kissing the Shadows are at 142ish...but then again, he fails at playing them live. :upset: He always seems to play SNBN really well.

repcak 10-10-2006 08:38 AM

[QUOTE]I figured I would wait till I have all their albums, then worry about obtaining a legitimate copy at that time...[/QUOTE]
thats what i do - if i really like a band and know album xy is good, i pay for it.


btw. you won't believe... I've got it finally

CoB - Live in Nosturi (over 700mb on my harddisk) :D

unknownsoldier12 10-10-2006 08:43 AM

fukking dammit :lol:

I topped out at 170 (triplets). It seems my picking hand motion breaks down above that speed. This might take some time to do well

repcak 10-10-2006 08:49 AM

:(

you're all so good at guitar :upset:

unknownsoldier12 10-10-2006 08:56 AM

nah, I suck, but I practice my arse off so one day, that will not be the case.

I've been logging in about 5 hours a day now. Hopefully I can keep this pace up

ACIDBATH the GOOD 10-10-2006 09:02 AM

[QUOTE=MRDuCran;13399378]Yeah there's something wrong with the tone, it's not as clear, like you said.

I play guitar everyday still, I was playing 16th notes at 180 again today and that was straight away, soon it'll be 220. :p[/QUOTE]why would you wanna go to 220? i swear you shreddies make retarded goals

repcak 10-10-2006 09:22 AM

lol

TojesDolan 10-10-2006 09:25 AM

I need to change my guitar playing from righty to lefty so I can reach faster speeds. :-0

unknownsoldier12 10-10-2006 09:30 AM

i'm sure you're kidding

TojesDolan 10-10-2006 09:46 AM

I'm left handed.

I play as if I were righty. I can play a bit faster both strumming (or shredding, blah blah) and tap notes with my right hand more precisely and faster as I should play, lefty than I do currently.

unknownsoldier12 10-10-2006 09:52 AM

you should strive to be ambidextrous, so it shouldn't matter which way you would play.

If you want to switch sides so your strength is in your picking hand, then obviously you would be waiting for your fretting hand to build coordination, and would still be "slowed down" by your less dominate hand

TojesDolan 10-10-2006 10:01 AM

Exactly that's what stops me. That and the fact that I'm too lazy to switch strings and stuff. :p

Nonetheless I know it'd take me like a good year, maybe two years to get a decent level at playing lefty, but who knows. Maybe I shouldn't try it.

unknownsoldier12 10-10-2006 11:18 AM

just practice 5 finger picking and getting each hand coordinated. If you want to be good at tapping (tappping with more than 1 finger) its a good idea to try to raise the level of coordination in each hand.

metalhead_matt 10-10-2006 11:53 AM

im havin trouble sweepin, the notes bleed into each other too much for my likin. tips please?

unknownsoldier12 10-10-2006 11:58 AM

you need to slow WAY down, and practice proper muting technique with your fretting hand.

Basically, after you pick the note and it sounds, you depress the fret, but leave the finger on the string to get it to stop ringin

metalhead_matt 10-10-2006 12:01 PM

ah right got ya. metronome then yeah?

metalhead_matt 10-10-2006 12:02 PM

btw would you say i was a regular in this thread? just wondering lol

unknownsoldier12 10-10-2006 12:04 PM

yes, by all means...

then again, I don't recommend practicing without one.....ever :lol:


sweeping, for me, was all about learning how to mute with my picking hand, and getting a nice, fluid motion from the picking hand. Once you have those down, its all about synching up your hands.

metalhead_matt 10-10-2006 12:18 PM

kk. so say i start off with an easy sweep, like:

--15-12-----------12-15-12
---------13----13---------
------------12------------

at about 100bpm

unknownsoldier12 10-10-2006 12:22 PM

i would start at 1/8th notes in that case

repcak 10-10-2006 12:23 PM

i would play it that way:

15p12---------12
-------13---13
----------12
(as far as i remember... )
and don't start at 100bpm ... i play this shape for over 6months now and the highest speed i reached was 60bpm
start with 50bpm and six notes each beat

metalhead_matt 10-10-2006 12:24 PM

yeah. is this starting to basic or should i just try some 5 string sweeps but really slow

metalhead_matt 10-10-2006 12:28 PM

il record myself playin that sweep soon, at 100bpm, and then you can see whether i need to slow down or speed up. i dont practice enough :( i play guitar everyday, but i just write music, or play some bodom stuff. nothing productive, it really stressed me out last night, i was watchin bodom live in tuska 2003, and just watchin how much alexi could own solos and sweeps lol i was like grrr i dont practice, im not gettin anywhere.

repcak 10-10-2006 12:30 PM

[QUOTE=metalhead_matt;13416457]yeah. is this starting to basic or should i just try some 5 string sweeps but really slow[/QUOTE]

first maste the 3string sweep, then move to 4string sweeps.

i play only 3string sweeps now for 6months and i only play from time to time 4string sweeps - but only the easiest shape of all on 4strings ;)

unknownsoldier12 10-10-2006 12:35 PM

actually, I wouldn't do the repcak thing and do 50 bpm, sextuplets....eeeek that's too damn confusing...


also repcak 100 bpm, 16th notes is actually slower that 50 bpm, sextuplets, but anyway...


play that at 100, 2 notes per beat. If it doesnt sound perfect, take it down to 80 bpm, or even 70

repcak 10-10-2006 12:55 PM

slower yes, but 3string sweeps are in general played as triplets or sextuplets... if you play 16th, the beat would be on another string each time... and thats confusing.

i would do it either triplets OR Sextuplets... 16th or 8th notes can be played if you do 4string sweeps.

btw. in the guitar forum you said you alternate pick everything - even if you play three notes per string? and do you start always with an downstroke even if you make chromatics (1234) and do an ascending chromatic run?

unknownsoldier12 10-10-2006 01:01 PM

no, i don't always start with a downstroke. For the example you gave (3 notes per string)

it would be down, up, down for the first string
then up, down, up for the second string
down up down for the third, etc


as far as practicing those sweeps are concerned, it really makes no difference. Think about it, its 6 notes. Its divisable by 3, and also 2, which means if you did it as 1/8th notes, it would be 3 beats, which is hardly a problem

The trick, or goal, is to slowly become comfortable with the technique, and slowly increase the tempo as your proficiency increases, there fore it wouldn't matter if he practice them as 1/4 notes, as long as he is maintaining proper technique and working on perfection

metalhead_matt 10-10-2006 01:03 PM

yeha 3 string sweeps are easier as triplets i would have thought. so 12 notes a bar then, at 100bpm

repcak that was aimed at unknown solider wasnt it?
i just said hoorah in that thread lol

EDIT: k, gotcha unknownsoldier

MRDuCran 10-10-2006 01:04 PM

[quote=TojesDoLan]I need to change my guitar playing from righty to lefty so I can reach faster speeds. :-0[/quote]

I'm left handed and I played right handed, my speed is just fine.

[quote=repcak]slower yes, but 3string sweeps are in general played as triplets or sextuplets... if you play 16th, the beat would be on another string each time... and thats confusing.

i would do it either triplets OR Sextuplets... 16th or 8th notes can be played if you do 4string sweeps. [/quote]

I agree. I always play 3/5 string sweeps as 3's or 6's.


On a side note, I bought myself some DR strings, 11-50 :D:D

And they taste great. :p

unknownsoldier12 10-10-2006 01:04 PM

if you want to get technical...

1/8th notes at 100 are easier than triplets at 100, but again, the tempo of the metronome is not the issue here



DuCran : DRs are the only shizz I buy now :chug:

repcak 10-10-2006 01:05 PM

[QUOTE]The trick, or goal, is to slowly become [B]comfortable[/B] with the technique, and slowly increase the tempo as your proficiency increases, there fore it wouldn't matter if he practice them as 1/4 notes, as long as he is maintaining [B]proper technique[/B] and working on [B]perfection[/B][/QUOTE]
quoted for truth!!!


[QUOTE]as far as practicing those sweeps are concerned, it really makes no difference. Think about it, its 6 notes. Its divisable by 3, and also 2, which means if you did it as 1/8th notes, it would be 3 beats, which is hardly a problem[/QUOTE]
ah, yes.. sorry. you meant 2notes per beat... i thought you meant 4notes per beat -> this would be a problem.

[QUOTE]no, i don't always start with a downstroke. For the example you gave (3 notes per string)

it would be down, up, down for the first string
then up, down, up for the second string
down up down for the third, etc
[/QUOTE]
:eek:

i do it:
d,u,d - 1st string
d,u,d - 2nd string, etc.

upwards:
d,u,d,u,d,u - high e string
u,d,u - b string, etc.

unknownsoldier12 10-10-2006 01:07 PM

thats economy picking repcak. There's nothing inherently wrong with doing things that way, but i find that my timing is more uniform, and it seems to confuse my picking hand less

repcak 10-10-2006 01:08 PM

[QUOTE=metalhead_matt;13416582]
repcak that was aimed at unknown solider wasnt it?
i just said hoorah in that thread lol[/QUOTE]
general discussion about sweeps... you and kurrpt

[QUOTE=MRDuCran;13416584]
I agree. I always play 3/5 string sweeps as 3's or 6's.[/QUOTE]
and i learnt this from you :)

[QUOTE=MRDuCran;13416584]
On a side note, I bought myself some DR strings, 11-50 :D:D

And they taste great. [/QUOTE]
wow... they are ... thick

i still play on 9-42/46, but i should try out DR stings next time... i heard too many good opinions about them :D


edit_
[QUOTE]thats economy picking repcak. There's nothing inherently wrong with doing things that way, but i find that my timing is more uniform, and it seems to confuse my picking hand less[/QUOTE]
every guitarist plays differently ...

unknownsoldier12 10-10-2006 01:11 PM

yea, you gotta go with what works for you, no question about that

MRDuCran 10-10-2006 01:13 PM

I advise Metalhead_Matt to try the sweep at this speed for starters:

[url]http://download.yousendit.com/2B09CCE600EDB19D[/url]

It's actually slower than I started at but I've never had a problem with getting the left hand muting down.

repcak 10-10-2006 01:13 PM

hey, mitch, i had an idea yesterday while i was falling asleep... what do you think if we do a song together? maybe a cob song? i play the rhythm parts (which i should be able to play :p ) and you will record the lead-parts?!

metalhead_matt 10-10-2006 01:20 PM

lol at mitchs 'taste good' post. ive got that video on my myspace. im checkin out that tab now


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