I too am not a great fan of the lyrics themselves, but it's not really an issue with the theme more with Daron's writing style. To be honest I completely disagree with you moondog, if anything I would say Soad are becoming more creative. Some of the guitar parts are completely new for soad and perhaps show their Armenian influences, I also think they have explored vocal harmonies alot more especially on mesmerize.

[B]"System of a Down who didn't constantly repeat the same message"[/B]

Look in any lyric booklet by SOAD and you'll see most of there songs are repeated over and over.

[B]"Lose their creative flair"[/B]

Thats your opinion, I think most of the new guitar parts especially on th Hypnotize album are some of the greatest the band has written

[B]"Mezmerize is a watered down Toxicity"[/B]

Once again, thats your opinion.
SOAD have said numerous times they dont want to write another toxicity they want to keep moving forward and changing there music.

Maybe fans like you should to?

The guitar parts may be new for SoaD but they're not as creative as they used to be in my opinion. Most of their songs now use the same chord structures, tones and keys. Use of acoustic and foreign instruments aren't a big deal unless your composing gets better. The vocal harmonies don't bring anything good to the music as far as I'm concerned. First off, they're barely harmonies rather than Daron singing along. I love Serj's voice and I think it's even recently been used badly. Daron's parts seem to bring in an abrasive amateurish type of tone to the lyrics and song altogether. The only good creative step up in the band that I can notice is Dolmayan's drumming. Especially on Revenga and Question!.

Skit as far as the messages I definitely don't see that in the first album. And I don't see it anywhere near as much as I do on Mezmerize.

And of course what I said was my opinion. Anything I say should be automatically stamped as an opinion of mine. I'm not trying to set an end-all opinion on the band for everyone.

[QUOTE=Moondog]The guitar parts may be new for SoaD but they're not as creative as they used to be in my opinion. Most of their songs now use the same chord structures, tones and keys. Use of acoustic and foreign instruments aren't a big deal unless your composing gets better. The vocal harmonies don't bring anything good to the music as far as I'm concerned. First off, they're barely harmonies rather than Daron singing along. I love Serj's voice and I think it's even recently been used badly.[/QUOTE]that's fair enough, I'm not a huge mesmerize fan either to be honest. But I just wouldn't say they lack creativity. They are constantly doing things that they have never done before and are slowly but surely moving away from constant use of drop-tuned powerchords. I also love serj's voice and would prefer it if he sang most of the time, but the vocal harmonies on Lost in Hollywood are orgasmic. I think if a band lacks creativity they are stuck in a position like Oasis or The Strokes where sound doesn't really change from album to album. Soad on the other hand can't be guilty of that, no album sounds like the one they did before and I can only see their sound continuing to change.

[QUOTE=Kyle]that's fair enough, I'm not a huge mesmerize fan either to be honest. But I just wouldn't say they lack creativity. They are constantly doing things that they have never done before and are slowly but surely moving away from constant use of drop-tuned powerchords.[/QUOTE]
The biggest thing obviously being that they've stepped up the guitars to drop C# instead of drop C. The day System plays every song on an album in standard tuning is the day I will lie down on the floor and proceed with my Tantric perpetual orgasm.

[QUOTE=Kyle]I also love serj's voice and would prefer it if he sang most of the time, but the vocal harmonies on Lost in Hollywood are orgasmic.[/QUOTE]
I enjoy both voices equally. Daron has a very pop-punk voice which is better than anything a sarcastic socio-political metal band could hope for; [I]especially[/I] since it's System, who never take themselves too seriously and enjoy poking fun at pop culture. It is one of the most ironic things that I have ever witnessed in music. And yes, the harmonies on Lost In Hollywood are amazing; ditto for BYOB, even though it's just diatonic thirds all the way.
[QUOTE=Kyle]I think if a band lacks creativity they are stuck in a position like Oasis[/QUOTE]
12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 brother. If that ever happened to SOAD I truly would stop listening to them.

I just got hypnotise and i have to say its better than mesmerise. maybe thats because its fresher but i like it better.

I just saw Hypnotize in HMV... It was laughing at me because I havent got my preorder yet :upset:

[QUOTE=Skit]I just saw Hypnotize in HMV... It was laughing at me because I havent got my preorder yet :upset:[/QUOTE]
When were you meant to receive it?

[QUOTE=Skit]I just saw Hypnotize in HMV... It was laughing at me because I havent got my preorder yet :upset:[/QUOTE]
haha, that's why I never pre order. Everytime I pre-order something it lets me down.

Album Tomorow!

[QUOTE=xrockerachickx]Album Tomorow![/QUOTE]

Today actually, your countrys a noob :thumb:

... :lol:

[QUOTE=hotsmoke]OMG JOHN DOLMAYAN WHAT A BLOODY DRUMMMER !!! LIKE HES SOOOO GOOD!!!THAT ALSO WITH NO DOUBLE BASS:p[/QUOTE]

I dont think he has always had a double bass. I dont believe he had one until toxicity.

[QUOTE=mutant!]The biggest thing obviously being that they've stepped up the guitars to drop C# instead of drop C. The day System plays every song on an album in standard tuning is the day I will lie down on the floor and proceed with my Tantric perpetual orgasm.


I enjoy both voices equally. Daron has a very pop-punk voice which is better than anything a sarcastic socio-political metal band could hope for; [I]especially[/I] since it's System, who never take themselves too seriously and enjoy poking fun at pop culture. It is one of the most ironic things that I have ever witnessed in music. And yes, the harmonies on Lost In Hollywood are amazing; ditto for BYOB, even though it's just diatonic thirds all the way.

12345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890 brother. If that ever happened to SOAD I truly would stop listening to them.[/QUOTE]


I really think serj has one of the best modern vocals of any band out there. Daron's voice is too whiney and annoying.

[QUOTE=Skit]Today actually, your countrys a noob :thumb:

... :lol:[/QUOTE]
Haha, continent pwnt.

[QUOTE=pasulpepe]I dont think he has always had a double bass. I dont believe he had one until toxicity.[/QUOTE]
i think your wrong.. actually i know your wrong. hes always been using it. but yea sam goody called me today and told me my cds in but i dont think im getting free art with it am i?

i refused to listen more then 15 seconds of all the intros except for hypnotize,kill rock n roll, holy mountains and i listened to shes like heroin cuz its the shortest song on the cd.. i love that song!

[QUOTE=mutant!]The biggest thing obviously being that they've stepped up the guitars to drop C# instead of drop C. The day System plays every song on an album in standard tuning is the day I will lie down on the floor and proceed with my Tantric perpetual orgasm.[/QUOTE]
In a Guitar World, Daron said that the next album, will most likely be in normal tuning.:thumb:

[QUOTE=pasulpepe]I dont think he has always had a double bass. I dont believe he had one until toxicity.[/QUOTE]

He used to use one bass drum, with an Iron Cobra double kick pedal, but he rarely used it.

[QUOTE=i_like_metal]In a Guitar World, Daron said that the next album, will most likely be in normal tuning.:thumb:[/QUOTE]
If that's true it's going to sound wierd...

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I love that song, it is quite funny.

^^hell yeah...

SOAD in normal tuning, while convenient, just wont be the same

[QUOTE=pasulpepe]Daron's voice is too whiney and annoying.[/QUOTE]
That's my point. It's whiny, annoying, really gets under your skin, and sounds like Tom DeLonge on Blink's first CD. That's why it's funny. System absolutely lives for taking the piss out of establishment - especially [U]pop[/U] culture - so his [U]pop[/U]-punk-like voice comes in handy when they want to be sarcastic about mass media or commercialisation or whatever.

[QUOTE=i_like_metal]In a Guitar World, Daron said that the next album, will most likely be in normal tuning.:thumb:[/QUOTE]
/orgasm

IMO: drop-tuning is pretentious and a cheap way to sound metal-y. True musicianship is shown when you can:

1) sound heavy without distortion;
2) play metal in standard tuning; and
3) adapt to the instrument instead of adapting the instrument to yourself.

/prepares [I]+5 shield of flame resistance[/I]

hmm, but it also allows the instruments to go deeper than they could before, which adds to systems darker tone

try playing a system song drop tuned, then normally and you will see what i mean

[QUOTE=Corkofski]hmm, but it also allows the instruments to go deeper than they could before, which adds to [B]systems darker tone[/B]

try playing a system song drop tuned, then normally and you will see what i mean[/QUOTE]
Not just SOAD. Every metal band of the past 20 years. It's wayyy overused. I have more respect for a band that plays in D standard than drop C - the dropped E string is for lazy people who can't play power chords fast. What I mean is that (1) if you want low range, get a baritone or a bass (2) YOU DON'T NEED TO PLAY LOW TO SOUND EVIL. Chords can be dark without being low. It has far more to do with chord structure and composition than tone height. This whole drop-tuning fad is making dark-sounding music extremely easy to achieve, and thus the market is flooded with bands who can't play for sh*t but have discovered how to play a power chord with one finger.

And btw, I have played SOAD stuff in normal tuning, like Question! for example. It sounds fiiiiiiine. :thumb:

[QUOTE=mutant!]Not just SOAD. Every metal band of the past 20 years. It's wayyy overused. I have more respect for a band that plays in D standard than drop C - the dropped E string is for lazy people who can't play power chords fast. What I mean is that (1) if you want low range, get a baritone or a bass (2) YOU DON'T NEED TO PLAY LOW TO SOUND EVIL. Chords can be dark without being low. It has far more to do with chord structure and composition than tone height. This whole drop-tuning fad is making dark-sounding music extremely easy to achieve, and thus the market is flooded with bands who can't play for sh*t but have discovered how to play a power chord with one finger.

And btw, I have played SOAD stuff in normal tuning, like Question! for example. It sounds fiiiiiiine. :thumb:[/QUOTE]

The kind of tuning a guitarist uses doesnt determine how good he is. Drop tunings dont have to be used soley by lazy guitarists. Certain riffs can be played with far more convienience with the dropped E string as opposed to an E string in standard.

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]Right, but D standard doesn't have a low C...[/QUOTE]

D standard with a dropped E string would be drop C.

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]That's my point.[/QUOTE]

Oh, ok.

[QUOTE=Chris][I]Banana banana banana banana terrecotta banana terrecott terrecotta pie!
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I love that song, it is quite funny.[/QUOTE]
um which song is this again :p

[QUOTE=Spat Out Plath]Right, but D standard doesn't have a low C...[/QUOTE]
Exactly.

/mass confusion

What I [I]meant[/I] was, playing in D standard is more respectable (note: [B]IMHO[/B]) because it's still standard tuning, just lower. The moment you take standard D and drop the D to C, you're in a drop tuning, which is gh3y.

[QUOTE=blackest_incarnation]The kind of tuning a guitarist uses doesnt determine how good he is. Drop tunings dont have to be used soley by lazy guitarists. Certain riffs can be played with far more convienience with the dropped E string as opposed to an E string in standard.[/QUOTE]
In most cases, it [I]is[/I] used solely by lazy guitarists. I agree, some riffs are easier to play in drop D. Like Incubus - Echo for example, which is almost impossible to play in E maj in standard tuning. [U]However[/U] (I'm going overboard with the vbCode, aren't I?), the vast majority just drop the E so they can play power chords with one finger.

[QUOTE=mutant!]In most cases, it [I]is[/I] used solely by lazy guitarists. I agree, some riffs are easier to play in drop D. Like Incubus - Echo for example, which is almost impossible to play in E maj in standard tuning. [U]However[/U] (I'm going overboard with the vbCode, aren't I?), the vast majority just drop the E so they can play power chords with one finger.[/QUOTE]why over-complicate things? playing in drop tuning when playing alot of simple powerchord riffs is just far more efficient.