[QUOTE=PinkFloyd]If Waters was a virtuso bassist, I probably wouldn't like Pink Floyd any more or less. With songs that good, I could care less if the bass was elaborated on a bit more. Plus Waters wrote the bass for money. [B]Has Gilmour ever written a riff so catchy/popular/sucessfull[/B]? NO! Therefor, Waters>Gilmour as a musician as well as songwritting![/QUOTE]

ATBITW pt. 2 ? Rogers original idea for it would have just been some acoustic strumming. After Ezrin suggested to check out some disco clubs to David, David wrote that catchy as hell riff.

[QUOTE=Gilmour]ATBITW pt. 2 ? Rogers original idea for it would have just been some acoustic strumming. After Ezrin suggested to check out some disco clubs to David, David wrote that catchy as hell riff.[/QUOTE]I hate some acoustic strumming. It's probably one of the laziest techniques in rock music when somebody starts playing some acoustic riff with open chords that sound quite similar and occasionally accented chords. It makes for a generic dull sounding riff that simply doesn't interest me at all. See Pigs on the Wing and Mother for evidence of what I'm talking about. [/rant]

[QUOTE=Raijo]I hate some acoustic strumming. It's probably one of the laziest techniques in rock music when somebody starts playing some acoustic riff with open chords that sound quite similar and occasionally accented chords. It makes for a generic dull sounding riff that simply doesn't interest me at all. See Pigs on the Wing and Mother for evidence of what I'm talking about. [/rant][/QUOTE]

I take it you arent a fan of Wish you Were Here.

[QUOTE=Gilmour]I take it you arent a fan of Wish you Were Here.[/QUOTE]
Wish You Were Here's great. I'm talking about a very specific style of acoustic playing that is incredibly bland but used alot. I actually think the way Gilmour plays in Wish You Were Here is quite interesting. The way Waters plays on Pigs on the Wing and Mother sounds tired and boring to my ears.

[QUOTE=PinkFloyd]If Waters was a virtuso bassist, I probably wouldn't like Pink Floyd any more or less. With songs that good, I could care less if the bass was elaborated on a bit more. [B]Plus Waters wrote the bass for money.[/B] Has Gilmour ever written a riff so catchy/popular/sucessfull? NO! Therefor, Waters>Gilmour as a musician as well as songwritting![/QUOTE]

The line you said right there is supporting your theory that's he's a better songwriter than Gilmour. Nothing you said in that paragraph supports that Waters is a better musician. Do you honestly think Waters could pull off Gilmour's guitar work? Hell no.

[QUOTE=PinkFloyd]If Waters was a virtuso bassist, I probably wouldn't like Pink Floyd any more or less. With songs that good, I could care less if the bass was elaborated on a bit more. Plus Waters wrote the bass for money. Has Gilmour ever written a riff so catchy/popular/sucessfull? NO! Therefor, Waters>Gilmour as a musician as well as songwritting![/QUOTE]

Gilmour is clearly a better musician. No where in there do you even come close to refuting that. His guitar playing is unbelievable. Also, Gilmour wrote the riff to ABITW pt. 2, which was a LOT more popular than Money. But, since I'm sure we all agree that popularity isn't the best test of a good song writer, how about Comfortably Numb? Not super popular in terms of air play or billboard charts or anything, but its bloody brilliant. Who wrote it, I wonder? Oh yeah, Gilmour.

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Hey! I was just informed by Bartender that Roger Waters and Eric Clapton played WYWH live for the appeal concert! I missed it. :upset:

Video, anyone?[/QUOTE]

How recent was this?

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]i noticed the same high pitched screeching/squealing sound that's in the middle of Echoes is also very played very quietly at the start of Is Anybody Out There.

does anyone know what they are using to make that sound?[/QUOTE]


It's a wah plugged in backward with a rotating Leslie speaker.

[QUOTE=EADG]It's a wah plugged in backward with a rotating Leslie speaker.[/QUOTE]

So how would I go about making these sounds, granted I had the necessary effects?

I have just bought "Piper At the Gates of Dawn" this has quickly become my favorite Floyd album.

[QUOTE=EADG]It's a wah plugged in backward with a rotating Leslie speaker.[/QUOTE]

How do you "plug a wah in backwards?" Like, if you plugged the input to output and output to input, wouldn't you just not get any noise?

Anyways, I don't know how that would work, but slide guitar with some effects super high up on the strings can simulate that kind of noise well enough. I can make R2D2 sounds with it!

[QUOTE=6Stringer]I have just bought "Piper At the Gates of Dawn" this has quickly become my favorite Floyd album.[/QUOTE]

Dude, i have respect for you, I think that was floyd at best. well, you know there is other albums, but you have to admit piper at the gates of dawn is totally deifferent. The only floyd album close to it is saucerful of secrets, and I'll go as far as dark side of the moon, for psychedelic aspects.
Oh yeah, Waters rocks. I mean, he did write the nile song, didn't he?

I love psychedelia

Syd Barrett is psychedelia.


Peace, and love.

A Saucerful of Secrets was merely PF trying to copy Syd.

Yeah, everything after PATGOD and before Meddle was PF trying to copy Syd. They didn't really find their own voice until they wrote Echoes.

man i love dark side of the moon. its got that whole phyco-rock element thru it. david gilmour certainly knows how to solo for sure. waters is a brilliant songwriter too.

im listening to time right now. awesome song....

I wish pyschadelic drugs didn't get the best of ol' Syd otherwise PF could have been better than they were, IMO.

[QUOTE=6Stringer]I wish pyschadelic drugs didn't get the best of ol' Syd otherwise PF could have been better than they were, IMO.[/QUOTE]

I beg to differ.

He never advanced as a musician or a songwriter, which is apparent with his solo albums. If he stayed at control of the steering wheel of Pink Floyd, they would have faded out with the rest of the late 60/early 70's Psychedelic Rock bands.

When Syd left the band, the band didnt know what to do. They were used to Syd coming up with all their material. But eventually after he left the group; Roger, Rick, Nick, and David were able to grow as musicians and songwriters, and eventually created their own masterpieces.

Hmmm.... Gilmour you bring up good points. I haven't heard anything from Syd's solo career. I should go give that a listen.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]How do you "plug a wah in backwards?" Like, if you plugged the input to output and output to input, wouldn't you just not get any noise?

Anyways, I don't know how that would work, but slide guitar with some effects super high up on the strings can simulate that kind of noise well enough. I can make R2D2 sounds with it![/QUOTE]

If any of you guys are RATM fans, or just fans of Morello in general, he uses this same effect on his solo to "Sleep Now in the Fire." I think it is just the input into the output jack, and it sounds really wierd.

[QUOTE=Gilmour]I beg to differ.

He never advanced as a musician or a songwriter, which is apparent with his solo albums. If he stayed at control of the steering wheel of Pink Floyd, they would have faded out with the rest of the late 60/early 70's Psychedelic Rock bands.

When Syd left the band, the band didnt know what to do. They were used to Syd coming up with all their material. But eventually after he left the group; Roger, Rick, Nick, and David were able to grow as musicians and songwriters, and eventually created their own masterpieces.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Don't get me wrong, I love Barrett's work, but I've never understood why people think PATGOD is better than the later stuff.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]Agreed. Don't get me wrong, I love Barrett's work, but I've never understood why people think PATGOD is better than the later stuff.[/QUOTE]

I've always wondered what was so great about rap and Metallica. It's just opinions.

I like Syd's work as well (it sounded like I was dissing his stuff :-/)

Well yeah, of course its just opinions, and I don't mean to sound like I know whats good music or anything, but just in my mind the later stuff was better than the earlier stuff in every way. I like the early stuff a lot, I just prefer the 70's material.

Check out my new avatar. It moves. :D

So, let's talk about the Division Bell..again. I'd say my favorite song would be either Keep Talking or High Hopes. I also find it ironic that in the song "Lost for Words" Gilmouir says [I]f[/I]uck.

That is a pretty snazzy avatar.

A Great Day for Freedom and Coming Back To Life are also great tracks from The Division Bell. A lot of people say that lyrically The Division Bell is lacking, but I think it's got some really good lyrics on some of the tracks.

I got the classic albums DSOTM dvd, which is pretty cool. And I've been listening to Saucerful of Secrets and its really great. I really like the songs that Wright wrote, and how he sings on a lot of the cd. Now I love Gilmour's voice, but its cool to see Wright playing a larger part. His songs are really dreamy, and he's a great musician as well. I think I'll buy this cd next.

EDIT:

This is from the All Pink Floyd Fan Network, in response to those crazy noise you hear on Echoes.


The song "Several Species of Small Furry Animals Gathered Together in a Cave and Grooving With a Pict" was done all by Roger Waters himself. The weird sounds are obtained by playing human voices back at various speeds, whereas the drumming sounds are created by Water drumming with his hands on his body and a table (or something similar). A "pict" is a member of a possibly non-Celtic people who once occupied Great Britain, carried on continual border wars with the Romans, and about the ninth century became amalgamated with the Scots. There is are still discussions as far as what is said during the song.

Aparently there actually is going to be a floyd reunion soon. Rodger Waters even confirmed it. But I'm skepticle because I can't find a source. Can someone post one?

[QUOTE=rock not roll]Aparently there actually is going to be a floyd reunion soon. Rodger Waters even confirmed it. But I'm skepticle because I can't find a source. Can someone post one?[/QUOTE]


It wouldn't suprise me, they seem to have resolved their differences in the interview with the whole band in Guitar One. I was pretty suprised and was thinking if maybe they would do a reuinon concert.



In other news, I just picked up Meddle today and I'm pretty satisfied :thumb:

[QUOTE=Otherside]It wouldn't suprise me, they seem to have resolved their differences in the interview with the whole band in Guitar One. I was pretty suprised and was thinking if maybe they would do a reuinon concert.



In other news, I just picked up Meddle today and I'm pretty satisfied :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Good choice. That was my first Floyd [I]record[/I], not cd, and I love it. One Of These Days has the sweetest intro ever (tied with Have A Cigar) and Echoes is brilliant.

In this interview, were Roger and Dave talking to each other? In my opinion, the fact that they haven't spoken in a long time is the only thing stopped the band from reunited. Roger's already on good terms with Nick.

[QUOTE=rock not roll]Aparently there actually is going to be a floyd reunion soon. Rodger Waters even confirmed it. But I'm skepticle because I can't find a source. Can someone post one?[/QUOTE]

Where did you hear him say this, or who did you get it from? My praying to the music gods has finally done some good. :cool: I'll look for some type of confirmation on this however.