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MRDuCran 09-22-2006 11:12 AM

Gave you a slave, wtf is that?

repcak 09-22-2006 11:14 AM

salve...

though a slave would be great :p

/i should re-read the things i write, i make too many mistakes recently.

MRDuCran 09-22-2006 11:21 AM

Ohh right, yeah, never heard of it.

But google tells me it's an ointment that you apply to the skin.

You must be using the wrong technique or using to much pressure or something because you shouldn't be having those problems.

repcak 09-22-2006 12:33 PM

well slave... ****.. no... salve says dict.leo.org (without the website i won't be here :p )

how i said before, i get it when i play too long, do legato or stretches (in song). sometimes i play for several hours and i have nothing, and then one day it hurts. this happens too often to me :( i should talk with my guitar teacher about it. but i should stay more relaxed... i don't know.
if you teaches yourself all alone and you don't have other guitarists around you, you make mistakes and learn wrong techniques...

btw. i am the only one who has those problems... i haven't met a single guitarist who had problems with his wrist or sinews...

unknownsoldier12 09-22-2006 12:53 PM

I'm the same way Repcak (completely self-taught, no other guitarists around)

Its really about breaking apart your technique and putting it back together. I basically do this every other month

repcak 09-22-2006 01:10 PM

yeah, i should break my technique apart... you say always play relaxed: should i play as relaxed that i only touch the strings slightly, with as little pressure as possible?
i mean, i just can't check it out on guitar, i don't wanna touch it, but when i think about my playing i think, that i'm not really relaxed... i don't use much pressure, but when doing stretches or difficult songs i use more pressure than normal.

on the other side if i really would play so relaxed that i touch the strings only slightly (as if it was air, and not a freboard), will i progress? its all about muscles and from time to time they need some strain (sp?) to get better and better; or am i wrong?

unknownsoldier12 09-22-2006 02:48 PM

definitely...

I've found the less pressure you use, the more you are in tune with your finger/muscles. You can, at that point, change the dynamics of the notes being played by using more/less force, or by having a heavier pick attack, etc.

It seems like you tense up when you are trying to do more technically demanding things on the guitar. Sure, that's the natural inclination, but next time, slow down until its uniform (or finally at a relaxed posistion).

When you are relaxed, you don't have muscles working against what you are trying to accomplish

MRDuCran 09-22-2006 02:59 PM

Your guitar teacher must really suck if he can't point all this stuff out to you.

repcak 09-22-2006 03:01 PM

yeah but what if i have to stretch? like playing the a-minor scale or wolf and raven... its not that big stretch 5-7 with your index and middle but when doing it, i'm not relaxed.

and in general: doing stretch exercises... its a must being relaxed? in the future i want to be able to make big stretches.

i think on sunday or monday i will be able to play again... and i will try not to play for more than 1hour for the first week... and maybe i can manage my time to play several times a day for 1hour instead of 4hours before going to bed.


my guitar teacher? well... i only took lesson 2-3times. i have to pay it from my own pocket so i don't take lessons often... the last time i saw him was sometime in may and we mostly did only theory. next time i would like him to show me some proper techniques and then i will ask him about this topic.

unknownsoldier12 09-22-2006 03:09 PM

if you are having problems hitting a stretch, move it up 12 frets or so, until it seems natural.

Once you have that down and have that precision that you are looking for, I slowly start moving it up the fretboard.

If you find that area that you start to tense up at, move back down the fretboard until its comfortable, and practice in that region

MRDuCran 09-22-2006 03:09 PM

Instead of worrying about how much pressure you use, worry about hitting the "sweet spots" in between the frets. If you put your finger in the right place, you'll get enough sustain on a good sounding note. If you put loads of pressure on the string in the wrong place, you could end up worse off.

Joe Satriani teaches this when his students are practising legato.

I played that Extreme piece at 200bpm earlier, pretty easy actually. I'm working out Alcatrazz songs atm though.

unknownsoldier12 09-22-2006 03:12 PM

well, pressure is pretty important to work on as well, but you're right mitch. Learning where to fret is pretty damn crucial, and i would say work on that first.

If you watch petrucci live, you can actually see where he frets every fret by the grease that is left on the fretboard.

Back to pressure again, if you use too much pressure fretting a note, you will actually cause the note to sharpen, and go slightly out of key.

repcak 09-22-2006 03:15 PM

i just started last week to focus to hit the "sweet spots".

unknownsoldier12 09-22-2006 03:18 PM

i learned that from Troy Stentina's book

repcak 09-22-2006 03:22 PM

oh.. now you mention it, i remember it. i always knew that before i read troy stetina's book, but i always was too lazy to focus on it

unknownsoldier12 09-22-2006 03:26 PM

yea, i stink but have very good technique :lol:

ghettoeddo 09-22-2006 04:06 PM

NP: new old world-syrinx

yea not full pressure on the frets works for me too.
unknownsoldier, you must be watching -real- closely to notice someone's grease spots on the fretboard...haha

lightningmetal666 09-22-2006 04:28 PM

[QUOTE=repcak;13309272]oh.. now you mention it, i remember it. i always knew that before i read troy stetina's book, but i always was too lazy to focus on it[/QUOTE]

I got troy's thrash guitar book and it really help my picking chops as well as songwriting ideas.:thumb:

repcak 09-22-2006 04:34 PM

troy stetina is indeed great.

lightningmetal666 09-22-2006 04:42 PM

[QUOTE=repcak;13309764]troy stetina is indeed great.[/QUOTE]

Yeah he is.

I find that you don't want to worry so much about pressure, or any of that stuff as you should about being in the groove.

I took a few drum lessons and I was shock to find that it helped to improve my guitar playing immensely. A lot of the licks and stuff that I knew but couldn't get down, I could sudden play a lot cleaner and better.

When I play onstage, most of the time I don't even remember what notes I did for a solo, but I remember just really getting into the beat and being 'in the pocket'.

MRDuCran 09-22-2006 05:17 PM

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Flight-Of-The-Very-Wounded-Wasp-Thats-Missing-a-Sting[/url]

Look, I recorded the first 16 bars. I recorded the other part after it too but I don't like the way it sounds with the delay on it so I left it. This is double tracked too.

Squirrel 09-22-2006 05:22 PM

Very cool stuff, played nice and clean. Nuno is an absolute monster on guitar.

Where are you from, DuCran ?

MRDuCran 09-22-2006 05:24 PM

England \m/

Squirrel 09-22-2006 05:28 PM

Awesome, where abouts ?

lightningmetal666 09-22-2006 05:31 PM

[QUOTE=unknownsoldier12;13309302]yea, i stink but have very good technique :lol:[/QUOTE]

I have very sh*tty technique, but I can cleanly speedpick at tempos well above 200 bpm. I have the goofiest way of playing chords. I broke both my wrists as a kid while rollerblading and never got them fixed. I can only turn them to about a 50-60 degree angle, yet I managed to get good at guitar.:confused:

I also started playing guitar with blues based stuff so I developed the need to hook my thumb over the edge of the fretboard. Needless to say, this made learning classical sh*t/shred guitar damn near impossible.

MRDuCran 09-22-2006 05:31 PM

[quote=Lil' grey fury tree rodent]Awesome, where abouts ?[/quote]

Essex, about an hour or so away from London.

Squirrel 09-22-2006 05:33 PM

Cool.

I'm up near Leeds at home, Newcastle for Uni.

MRDuCran 09-22-2006 05:54 PM

What is it you're studying?

Hellion 09-23-2006 10:21 AM

Favorite Bodom song HAS to be Hate Me!!!!

MRDuCran 09-23-2006 10:35 AM

It's an amazing song!! :cool:

MRDuCran 09-23-2006 06:02 PM

[QUOTE=MRDuCran rulez][url]http://media.putfile.com/Flight-Of-The-Very-Wounded-Wasp-Thats-Missing-a-Sting[/url]

Look, I recorded the first 16 bars. I recorded the other part after it too but I don't like the way it sounds with the delay on it so I left it. This is double tracked too.[/QUOTE]

Bump for Repcak and teh Kurrpt. I only recorded it so you could hear it since they've re-wrote the riff list in the Riff Game now. I could post it but there's no need anymore and the new riffs are even worse imo.

Also, I recorded the pre-solo delay section in Children of Decadence about a month ago and didn't mention it, might as well check that out too.

[url]http://media.putfile.com/Children-of-Decadence-52-27[/url]

AA-12 09-23-2006 06:03 PM

Nice name, ahaha.

MRDuCran 09-23-2006 06:08 PM

:thumb:

AA-12 09-23-2006 06:14 PM

So Mitch, how are you doing lately?

MRDuCran 09-23-2006 06:23 PM

Not too bad, everything's been pretty much the same for months now which is kinda cool.

Haven't seen you around lately, where you been hiding?

AA-12 09-23-2006 06:28 PM

Good to hear I suppose.

Heh, it sounds cheesy, but i've found real life enjoyment in weightlifting/bodybuilding. Whenever i'm bored I just work out or do something related. I'm gonna start playing guitar more too. Those things = less internet.

MRDuCran 09-23-2006 06:38 PM

My brother's been doing that recently too, he walks around thinking he's Arnie when he looks like a twig. But yeah, I can be very entertaining, I used to do it myself too but then guitar playing took over my life (omg).

AA-12 09-23-2006 06:49 PM

Haha, I have a huge bone structure, and am basically perfectly made for gaining muscle. I just figure why not develop myself as much as I can instead of letting it sit, you know?

MRDuCran 09-23-2006 07:13 PM

Yeah exactly. I'm probably going to get pretty big over the next few years but mainly from junk food and lack of exercise...:p

repcak 09-24-2006 05:46 AM

morning... the recordings are great... bumblebee :thumb: (though i thought you will learn the whole intro ^^)

the riff game indeed got worse, but right now i can't play anyway. yesterday i realized that my wristle cracks when i move it or change the angle :eek: (on the other side its the same on my right wrist, but on the left its different... eh)
whatever, i think i have to make a bigger break... one week...


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