[QUOTE=Dieforitall89]Justin Chancellor, bassist.[/QUOTE]
Ah...I tried to get my bro into Tool, and he (my bro) is a terrific bassist and he wasn't very impressed by his stuff...and looking over some of the tabs I can't say it looks difficult at all...

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Yeah, well that is really the biggest problem I have with Tool fans, is they rave about a musicianship I don't see. If they said they enjoyed listening to it, great, happy for em, but when they say Maynard writes the best lyrics and is a god at vocals...meh.

To a degree I guess, I still don't even see Lateralus as that good as a whole though, too much filler type stuff imo.[/QUOTE]

Well I really do love his vocals, and I really like his lyrics. I wouldn't say they're the best, but then I wouldn't say that any particular vocalist or lyricist is the best.

[QUOTE=clayman112388]prog-metal[/QUOTE]
Ok. I wasn't really sure.

[QUOTE=Livewired]So is Tool metal?[/QUOTE]

Depends on which album, and on your view of metal.

I am a fan of Adam Jones :-/


and his tone :-/

[QUOTE=Bartender]Well I really do love his vocals, and I really like his lyrics. I wouldn't say they're the best, but then I wouldn't say that any particular vocalist or lyricist is the best.[/QUOTE]

I'd agree with you, I think his vocals and lyrics are very good, but then there are people like Mikael Akerfeldt and whoever writes Rush's lyrics, and Anders Friden's lyrics always tickled my fancy.

From what I've heard of Tool I'd call them metal.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Ah...I tried to get my bro into Tool, and he (my bro) is a terrific bassist and he wasn't very impressed by his stuff...and looking over some of the tabs I can't say it looks difficult at all...[/QUOTE]
Deos the riff have to be extremely difficult to be good...

[QUOTE=clayman112388]I'd agree with you, I think his vocals and lyrics are very good, but then there are people like Mikael Akerfeldt and whoever writes Rush's lyrics, and Anders Friden's lyrics always tickled my fancy.[/QUOTE]
Neil Peart writes alot of Rush's stuff, but Geddy sings it.:-\

[QUOTE=Livewired]Neil Peart writes alot of Rush's stuff, but Geddy sings it.:-\[/QUOTE]
I thought so, thank you. Neil Pert writes awesome lyrics.


[QUOTE=Dieforitall89]Deos the riff have to be extremely difficult to be good...[/QUOTE]

No, some prime examples: White Zombie - 1965, Tool - Mantra, Korn - Did My Time, Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit (no riff is as catchy), In Flames - My Sweet Shadow

Anyone know the date of Elvis and Ray Charles' deaths?

[QUOTE=Dieforitall89]Deos the riff have to be extremely difficult to be good...[/QUOTE]
That is subjective to the person's taste.
And I think since everyone over-hypes Tool people expect their music to be rather more difficult than what it is.

[QUOTE=clayman112388]I thought so, thank you. Neil Pert writes awesome lyrics.




No, some prime examples: White Zombie - 1965, Tool - Mantra, Korn - Did My Time, Nirvana - Smells Like Teen Spirit [B](no riff is as catchy), [/B] In Flames - My Sweet Shadow[/QUOTE]

Bull, another one bites the dust is simpler and catchier. :p

[QUOTE=Dieforitall89]Deos the riff have to be extremely difficult to be good...[/QUOTE]
No, but from what I saw, it follows guitar too much...almost all the time in fact. More talented bassists usually have lines, rather than root note riffs.

[QUOTE=munky_magik]That is subjective to the person's taste.
And I think since everyone over-hypes Tool people expect their music to be rather more difficult than what it is.[/QUOTE]
Indeed.

[QUOTE=Woodstock]Anyone know the date of Elvis and Ray Charles' deaths?[/QUOTE]
Ray is still alive. Isn't he?

[QUOTE=Dieforitall89]Bull, another one bites the dust is simpler and catchier. :p[/QUOTE]

good point

[QUOTE=munky_magik]That is subjective to the person's taste.
And I think since everyone over-hypes Tool people expect their music to be rather more difficult than what it is.[/QUOTE]

and yet another good point

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]No, but from what I saw, it follows guitar too much...almost all the time in fact. More talented bassists usually have lines, rather than root note riffs.[/QUOTE]
People always assume that...Sure the guitar isnt following the bass? :p

[QUOTE=Woodstock]Anyone know the date of Elvis and Ray Charles' deaths?[/QUOTE]
Elvis died August 16, 1977. Ray Charles is dead, Livewired.

[QUOTE=Livewired]Ray is still alive. Isn't he?[/QUOTE]

Nope. Don't know the date offhand though.

On the subject of over rated bands that some of us like and some of us hate, on the bus I was listening to Soundtrack To Your Escape, and I noticed an impressive 14 second scream at the end of Touch Of Red, nothing compared to the 45(I think) second scream in Open Face Surgery, but it's pretty impressive.

Ray died June 10, 2004.




/googled

[QUOTE=Dieforitall89]People always assume that...Sure the guitar isnt following the bass? :p[/QUOTE]
Since the guitar establishes tonality, the bass follows it unless it is establishing tonality through lines so in this case, yes.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]No, but from what I saw, it follows guitar too much...almost all the time in fact. More talented bassists usually have lines, rather than root note riffs.[/QUOTE]

sounds like Linkin Park's new bassist

Scott > Dave

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Since the guitar establishes tonality, the bass follows it unless it is establishing tonality through lines so in this case, yes.[/QUOTE]
So if the guitar followed the same notes as les claypool of primus you would say that the bass follows the guitar. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=jpjrulestheworld]Ray died June 10, 2004.




/googled[/QUOTE]
That's one day before I joined Mx and one day before my 14th birthday.

[QUOTE=clayman112388]On the subject of over rated bands that some of us like and some of us hate, on the bus I was listening to Soundtrack To Your Escape, and I noticed an impressive 14 second scream at the end of Touch Of Red, nothing compared to the 45(I think) second scream in Open Face Surgery, but it's pretty impressive.[/QUOTE]

The Open Face Surgery one is just short of 30 seconds, I think. Apparently the new album will feature one something like twice that length, though. And Flo has started a new technique (called "double blast beats" for the moment) which has increased his already impressive speed.

*can't wait*

[QUOTE=Livewired]That's one day before I joined Mx and one day before my 14th birthday.[/QUOTE]

You're only 14? You seem much more mature than any other 14 year old I've ever met (internet or otherwise)

Anyway, im done with the whole bass argument thing cause i could do it for 4 hours.

[QUOTE=Bartender]The Open Face Surgery one is just short of 30 seconds, I think. Apparently the new album will feature one something like twice that length, though. And Flo has started a new technique (called "double blast beats" for the moment) which has increased his already impressive speed.

*can't wait*[/QUOTE]

Flo... faster?

wow

[QUOTE=Dieforitall89]So if the guitar followed the same notes as les claypool of primus you would say that the bass follows the guitar. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Nah, then neither is leading or following...but if the guitar is playing root, fifth and root, and the bass is playing root, the guitar establishes the sound more. If the guitarist were playing the same notes in chords (changing each note), it would be complicated bass, but still following guitar...what you refer to is doubling, and there is no lead nor following.

[QUOTE=clayman112388]Flo... faster?

wow[/QUOTE]

That's just according to an interview or two, I haven't actually heard anything.

[QUOTE=clayman112388]You're only 14? You seem much more mature than any other 14 year old I've ever met (internet or otherwise)[/QUOTE]
Oh yes. JPJ is one of those little boys whjo can't control his childish behaviour.

[QUOTE=Livewired]Oh yes. JPJ is one of those little boys whjo can't control his childish behaviour.[/QUOTE]

I've noticed/

[QUOTE=Bartender]The Open Face Surgery one is just short of 30 seconds, I think. Apparently the new album will feature one something like twice that length, though. And Flo has started a new technique (called "double blast beats" for the moment) which has increased his already impressive speed.

*can't wait*[/QUOTE]

*Glee!*

World of Warcraft is the slowest install I have sat through.

I have arrived.

My computer is going slow as crap because of this virus, I feel like Bar.

[QUOTE=Simple Man]I have arrived.

My computer is going slow as crap because of this virus, I feel like Bar.[/QUOTE]
Get rid of the virus?

[QUOTE=xizoesira]*Glee!*

World of Warcraft is the slowest install I have sat through.[/QUOTE]

Havent you already been playing it for a while?

[QUOTE=Gilmour]Havent you already been playing it for a while?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I reformatted today.

I kept my massive Nobuo collection intact on my ipod, of course.

Probably an update to combat the frequent server drops...