[quote]Anybody read this? Man, I like cob, but this is complete bull****.[/quote]
God forbid he express an opinion contrary to your own. After all, you're a virtuoso too.

[QUOTE]"There are lots of guitar players out there who play super fast and super well--but they're also super lame. Like Dream Theater." Alexi Laiho

Anybody read this? Man, I like cob, but this is complete bull****.[/QUOTE]

It's complete bull**** because Alexi is a complete hypocrite. Alexi's playing is MORE lame than Petrucci's. He plays so high and it sounds like a fvcking sped up icecream truck tune. What an arrogant @sshole.

OMFG THE END OF PANIC ATTACK SOUNDS LIKE SEVERAL SPECIES OF SMALL FURRY ANIMALS BY PINK FLOYD

yet another influence/cover riff or whatever

[QUOTE=In Chains 36]It's complete bull**** because Alexi is a complete hypocrite. Alexi's playing is MORE lame than Petrucci's. He plays so high and it sounds like a fvcking sped up icecream truck tune. What an arrogant @sshole.[/QUOTE]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion on and taste for music. He just happened to voice his, and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm sure there's plenty of talented bands that you find lame or boring. Does that make you arrogant? No it doesn't, and it doesn't make him either. He never said he was better, he said nothing more than he doesn't like his playing. Get over it.

[QUOTE=cjborton]Everyone is entitled to their opinion on and taste for music. He just happened to voice his, and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm sure there's plenty of talented bands that you find lame or boring. Does that make you arrogant? No it doesn't, and it doesn't make him either. He never said he was better, he said nothing more than he doesn't like his playing. Get over it.[/QUOTE]
Well said.

[QUOTE=cjborton]Everyone is entitled to their opinion on and taste for music. He just happened to voice his, and there is nothing wrong with that. I'm sure there's plenty of talented bands that you find lame or boring. Does that make you arrogant? No it doesn't, and it doesn't make him either. He never said he was better, he said nothing more than he doesn't like his playing. Get over it.[/QUOTE]

I understand what you are saying, but I believe it's just immature the way he said it, he sounded just like a number of 10 year old kirk hammett wannabees i have noticet on this forum.

The first bit wasn't so bad but what he said afterwards was just rediculous. Something along the lines of "John Petrucci doesn't make mistakes so that means he doesn't get into the music"
Funny, i never knew being sloppy and undisciplined = feel/music/passion etc...

And if you really think about it that opinion doesn't contribute to anything except starting numerous arguments in music forums :D

Well, Laiho is by no means sloppy and undisciplined. They're just two different types players. Laiho is the rockstar type, Petrucci is the virtuoso, and as you said, the more mature artist. However, I still see nothing wrong with what he said. I admire that he spoke his mind, not giving a sh[size=2]i[/size]t about what lowely MXers would say about it :).

By the way, I'm a big fan of both of them, so I'm not being biased in my views.

Does Dream theater usually have a set list when they play? do you think that they'll play a lot of stuff from their new album on the gigantour?

I got Octavarium yesterday, and im very impressed. This has gotta be the best album from DT since SFAM, but i still do think SFAM is better. Does anyone know who/what Never Enough is directed at?

[QUOTE=the2stranger]np DT - Octovarium.

the part where James LaBrie screams 'Trapped inside this Octovarium' is actually scary :eek:

dam[SIZE=2]n[/SIZE] he sounds like he's going to explode any second.
this is his most agressive singing moment ever, even tops a lot od songs of Awake, as far as agressivenes(sp) goes[/QUOTE]

The whole of the Intervals section is just awesome. Gives me shivers.

indeed, it does send shivers down your spine.
I di'n't know he was cappable of that anymore ( after he damaged his vocal chords on Awake).

does anyone else feel that I walk beside you kind of ruins the cd?
the song is quite good till the chorus starts, DT doing U2 sounds very bad, and very cheesy.
luckily the song only lasts 4 minutes something.

[QUOTE=the2stranger]indeed, it does send shivers down your spine.
I di'n't know he was cappable of that anymore ( after he damaged his vocal chords on Awake).

does anyone else feel that I walk beside you kind of ruins the cd?
the song is quite good till the chorus starts, DT doing U2 sounds very bad, and very cheesy.
luckily the song only lasts 4 minutes something.[/QUOTE]
Yea that was dodgey ://

I have to honestly say that Octavarium didn't impress me as much as TOT and SFAM...The intro song on the album really got me going but the large of amount of softer melodic songs wasn't something I used to...make no mistake its still good music but I always pictured Dream Theater as a heavier band

[QUOTE=OasisFanNo1]I have to honestly say that Octavarium didn't impress me as much as TOT and SFAM...The intro song on the album really got me going but the large of amount of softer melodic songs wasn't something I used to...make no mistake its still good music but I always pictured Dream Theater as a heavier band[/QUOTE]


if you've only heard TOT, I dont think you can judge Octovarium very well.
TOT was a one of a kind 'heavy' album.
all their other stuff is way lighter than TOT.
that doesn't take away that I love TOT.

anyways.

you people already made comparisons which song is better?

Octovarium or A change of seasons?
when I first saw thetracklisting, and saw a 24 minute song, my first thought was. will it be better than ACOS? :eek:
but I still think ACOS is better, octovarium has quite some filler, it takes about 7 minutes to get really going, where as ACOS has hardly any filler.
but I haven't heard Octovarium nearly as much as ACOS, so maybe I will change my stand :)

How long are the songs on everyone's cd? All of mine are different than the lengths on Wikipedia...

1. The Root of All Evil (8:07) - -- mine is 8:25
2. The Answer Lies Within (5:26) - - - 5:33
3. These Walls (6:59) - - - way off I have 7:36
4. I Walk Beside You (4:29) - -- 4:29
5. Panic Attack (7:16) - - - WAYY different I have 8:13
6. Never Enough (6:33) - - - 6:46
7. Sacrificed Sons (10:42) - - - 10:42
8. Octavarium (24:00) - -- 23:59

Whats up with that? And no, i didn't download it...

[QUOTE=clearvision]JoZ i had a listen if the main riff goes C-C-C--C-Eb-C then the little link goes Ab-Ab--Ab-Ab--Bb-Bb-Bb I think....

However i don't have perfect pitch so had to use relative pitch up the octave...If you're sure thats the lowest note then the tuning may well be Ab...seems ghey though...8 string? baritone???[/QUOTE]

It's C-C-C#-Bb, C-C-C#-Bb, C-C-C#-Bb, G#-G#-Bb-Bb. At least, that's the heavier part.

I'm pretty positive it's in G#...

But if this is the case, it makes the main riff of Eb-C-C-D-C-C-Eb-C-C-D-C-C-F-C-Eb-C very hard to play. Of course, this is Dream Theater, so they probably have the skill to play it, but yeah...

23:59 for octavarium points to a download of the leak...

So i really have no clue.

I see, i couldn't place that C# i think my guitar may have been slightly out, and i assumed it went back to a C not a Bb...

Basically i failed...

But the bottom note does seem to be the G# ... doesn't seem too tough to play though...

[QUOTE=the2stranger]if you've only heard TOT, I dont think you can judge Octovarium very well.
TOT was a one of a kind 'heavy' album.
all their other stuff is way lighter than TOT.
that doesn't take away that I love TOT.

anyways.

you people already made comparisons which song is better?

Octovarium or A change of seasons?
when I first saw thetracklisting, and saw a 24 minute song, my first thought was. will it be better than ACOS? :eek:
but I still think ACOS is better, octovarium has quite some filler, [b]it takes about 7 minutes to get really going,[/b] where as ACOS has hardly any filler.
but I haven't heard Octovarium nearly as much as ACOS, so maybe I will change my stand :)[/QUOTE]



Those first 7 minutes are my favorite part. :)

[QUOTE=thunderzstruck]Those first 7 minutes are my favorite part. :)[/QUOTE]
Do you like Shine On You Crazy Diamond?

[QUOTE=thunderzstruck]Those first 7 minutes are my favorite part. :)[/QUOTE]


oh, it's nice and all, giving the song time build tension, very ambient.

but

well, no but, I dobn't think you can Compare Octovarium with ACOS :p
my bad :cool:

both are just great ;)

[QUOTE=Kaden]Do you like Shine On You Crazy Diamond?[/QUOTE]

That part is very SOYCD.

My favorite bit is the last 4 or 5 minutes. It's just ****ing awesome.

i went to my local cd store yesterday intending to buy "blues for the red sun" by kyuss. i got sidetracked inside and saw the "dream theater" label and took a casual look through it, and i saw octavarium. [I][B]HOLY S H I T[/B][/I] i thought, and immediately put my kyuss cd that i was intending to buy back in the "kyuss" label and went out, paid my $10 for octavarium, and preceded to listen back at work . . .

my first impressions were that it was a combination of SDOIT and TOT . . . it had the progressive elements of SDOIT and the heaviness of TOT. then on "the answer lies within," the emotion of FII was heard . . . it sounded a lot, almost too much, like "anna lee" to me. then the album played through . . . and i was a little bit disappointed with the title track. i was expecting another change of seasons, with the the epicness and all . . . but it turned out to be just a little bit weaker, and almost as good. on the title track, i think they expressed a lot more emotion and had a better subject matter to deal with, though the instrumental section was a piece of crap, and james labrie almost "talking" on the IV movement and screaming wasn't very pleasant. myung did a nice jam with portnoy too, but it would have been a lot nicer if it was a solo instead of just a short interlude . . . 4/5, and for the record, it goes Images and Words > Scenes From a Memory > Awake > Falling into Infinity > Octavarium > Six Degrees of Inner Turbulance > A Change of Seasons (because it had only one good song) > When Dream and Day Unite > Train of Thought for me . . .

[QUOTE=clearvision]23:59 for octavarium points to a download of the leak...

So i really have no clue.

I see, i couldn't place that C# i think my guitar may have been slightly out, and i assumed it went back to a C not a Bb...

Basically i failed...

But the bottom note does seem to be the G# ... doesn't seem too tough to play though...[/QUOTE]

The riff with a bunch of C's in it is probably harder than it should be if the song is in G#.

I"m pretty convinced though it is a G#.

[QUOTE=Kaden]Do you like Shine On You Crazy Diamond?[/QUOTE]


I love that song. I perfer 1-6

[QUOTE=The JoZ]The riff with a bunch of C's in it is probably harder than it should be if the song is in G#.

I"m pretty convinced though it is a G#.[/QUOTE]

By harder do you mean you need to be more skilled to play it?

If so, Why? It's only gonna be shifted down a little bit, and there is no doubt that tuning will be dropped so only 1 finger powerchords at a time are needed for Petrucci...Myung is playing single notes so that doesn't really make a difference either :confused:

MWAHHAHAHAA!!

6 days, 3 gigs, 2 bands, one venue!

Hammersmith Apollo, London in October -

19th - Steve Vai
24th - Dream Theater
25th - Dream Theater with a classic album as the second set

*sploogesploogesploogesploogesplooge*

huh dream explain about the second dream theater....are they gonna cover an album like they did with MoP?

[QUOTE=clairvoyant]How long are the songs on everyone's cd? All of mine are different than the lengths on Wikipedia...

1. The Root of All Evil (8:07) - -- mine is 8:25
2. The Answer Lies Within (5:26) - - - 5:33
3. These Walls (6:59) - - - way off I have 7:36
4. I Walk Beside You (4:29) - -- 4:29
5. Panic Attack (7:16) - - - WAYY different I have 8:13
6. Never Enough (6:33) - - - 6:46
7. Sacrificed Sons (10:42) - - - 10:42
8. Octavarium (24:00) - -- 23:59

Whats up with that? And no, i didn't download it...[/QUOTE]

I addressed this already dude, but for your convenience here it is again

[QUOTE=Me]On the CD, if you buy it, there are sounds in between the tracks in the "pre-time" so the song (The Root Of All Evil) is only 8:07 but when you rip it to computer it rips the pretime of the next track as part of it, making it 8:39. If that makes sense lol.

The pre-time noises are represented by the black keys on the keyboard on the back of the CD case, so dont occur between every song. Note that the noises are in the pitch of the key they are on.

**** clever again, DT.[/QUOTE]

Your Octavarium should still be 24:00, but oh well.

[QUOTE=clairvoyant]How long are the songs on everyone's cd? All of mine are different than the lengths on Wikipedia...

1. The Root of All Evil (8:07) - -- mine is 8:25
2. The Answer Lies Within (5:26) - - - 5:33
3. These Walls (6:59) - - - way off I have 7:36
4. I Walk Beside You (4:29) - -- 4:29
5. Panic Attack (7:16) - - - WAYY different I have 8:13
6. Never Enough (6:33) - - - 6:46
7. Sacrificed Sons (10:42) - - - 10:42
8. Octavarium (24:00) - -- 23:59

Whats up with that? And no, i didn't download it...[/QUOTE]
There are - parts of the songs.

Did anyone realize that The key sig. of each song follows the keyboard on the back cover.
1.F
2.G
3.A
4.B
5.C
6.D
7.E
8.F

A perfect octave. hence the name Octavarium. In the book there are a lot of references to 8 and 5. (Eighth album and 5 band members). Also the Balls and birds on the front symbolize the piano keys, the birds being the black ones. Look on John Petrucci's forums for more stuff on that. The thread is called Octavarium secret or something.

EDIT: I'm sure somebodys allready said this. I didn't realize how many pages there were!

[QUOTE=clearvision]By harder do you mean you need to be more skilled to play it?

If so, Why? It's only gonna be shifted down a little bit, and there is no doubt that tuning will be dropped so only 1 finger powerchords at a time are needed for Petrucci...Myung is playing single notes so that doesn't really make a difference either :confused:[/QUOTE]

Uh, Petrucci doesn't use one finger powerchords, he only uses standard tunings.

If both guitars are in low G#, their respective tunings are.

Myung: G#-C#-F#-B-E-A
Petrucci: G#-C#-F#-B-E-G#-C#

The main riff of the song should be, theoretically, played with a bunch of open C's...but they don't have any C strings with a low G# tuning...