[QUOTE=magicbus]He didn't really. They just decided to give it to him because he didn't really write anything. This way he got some of the credit for a part of the album. Waters wasn't too happy with this, as told in a later interview.[/QUOTE]
That's cause Waters is somewhat of a dick

[QUOTE=Johnny B. Good]That's cause Waters is somewhat of a dick[/QUOTE]

Yeah. He definitely is. If you read his bio on his website, its ****ing ridiculous. It's like "after Roger Waters left Pink Floyd, Pink Floyd started sucking, clear proof that Roger Waters was the only musical genius in the group."

dont get me wrong im not trying to roast any of you in this thread or pink floyd of anything. but is it just me or doess pink floyd sound like they could be sitting down playing there music, while on the other hand someone like Metallica you know is having a great time with it!

The only music from pink floyd that I really like was 'wish you were hear' but thats it and it may just be me. I never found out how 'the dark side of the moon' was so popular.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]Yeah. He definitely is. If you read his bio on his website, its ****ing ridiculous. It's like "after Roger Waters left Pink Floyd, Pink Floyd started sucking, clear proof that Roger Waters was the only musical genius in the group."[/QUOTE]
Is it a bad thing to like Roger?

Because I do :upset: .

People in bands are dicks, thats just how it is. I recently found out J Mascis is a dick, but I still like Dinosaur Jr. You just gotta rise above it, get some rehab, and you'll be good as new.

[QUOTE=AverageGuitarist]People in bands are dicks, thats just how it is. I recently found out J Mascis is a dick, but I still like Dinosaur Jr. You just gotta rise above it, get some rehab, and you'll be good as new.[/QUOTE]
Then your music sucks, being an as[COLOR=White]s[/COLOR]hole is pretty much required to make good music.

Huh?

[QUOTE=guitrguy]Then your music sucks, being an as[COLOR=White]s[/COLOR]hole is pretty much required to make good music.[/QUOTE]
Bono i think writes good music and is nice. but generally speaking I think you're right, look at all the Beatles who wrote music. In some way, shape, or form they thought they were better than everyone else

What are you guys talking about. Honestly. There are plenty of nice musicians out there.

i noticed the same high pitched screeching/squealing sound that's in the middle of Echoes is also very played very quietly at the start of Is Anybody Out There.

does anyone know what they are using to make that sound?

I don't know what people are talking about how only assholes are good musicians. I disagree with that statement completely. Gilmour is a nice guy. And, to the person who said the Beatles "thought they were better than everyone else," that doesn't make them assholes. You'd think you were better than everyone else too if you were as big as they were. Livewired, nothing wrong with liking Roger, I just personally find his personality very dislikable.

Thickasabrick, I've never tried to get that sound specifically, but I know if you do set the guitar to the bridge pick-up and do some slide really high up, you can get a screechy/squealy noise. I'm sure if you layered a couple effects into it, you could definitely get a very Echoes-esque sound.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]I don't know what people are talking about how only assholes are good musicians. I disagree with that statement completely. Gilmour is a nice guy. And, to the person who said the Beatles "thought they were better than everyone else," that doesn't make them assholes. You'd think you were better than everyone else too if you were as big as they were. Livewired, nothing wrong with liking Roger, I just personally find his personality very dislikable.[/QUOTE]
Yea. When you say that musicians have to be assholes to be good, you sound like some hardcore, pissed off, metalhead or something. The other three members of Pink Floyd are nice, I think. I guess Rick could be selfish sometimes, but not as bad as Roger.

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]i noticed the same high pitched screeching/squealing sound that's in the middle of Echoes is also very played very quietly at the start of Is Anybody Out There.

does anyone know what they are using to make that sound?[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure what it is. They also do it on Several Furry Creatures (or whatever its called, that song after Granchester Meadows on Ummagumma), and make it sound like squirrels and chipmunks are making the noise. I heard it first there, then on Echoes, and also in a few other songs. I always thought it was someone making noises, then they sped the tape up, but I don't think that's it. I watched for it on Pompeii, but you can't really tell how they do it. I'll have to look into it.


AND, I like "Waters until The Wall was done" Waters. After that he was kinda jackass. Kinda like how I like Michael Jackson during the Thriller era, but not after that. :p

But I think he's pretty cool on Pompeii. Too bad he turned ghey.

I found that interview, so I thought I'd post this thing I was talking about.

[i]Guitar World: Was Dark Side of the Moon your baby?

Waters: It was. This album is my baby. In terms of what the records were about, they were my ideas and I wrote them. Dave [Gilmour] particularly, but Rick as well, had major, important contributions.

Guitar World: By all accounts, you feel that you were too generous with the songwriting credits on the album.

Waters: I've regretted it rather a lot since, but I'm over that now. I went through many years when I really regretted having given away half the writing credits, particularly [Nick Mason's solo credit for] "Speak to Me." I gave it to him. Nobody else had anything to do with it at all.

Guitar World: Dave Gilmour has previously said he didn't contribute as fully as he could have to the songwriting process; he was a bit lazy.

Waters: Dave likes to think that his lack of contributio has to do with laziness.[/i]

Then he talks about how he's a great guitar player, but isn't really a writer.

[QUOTE=Sandtrap]dont get me wrong im not trying to roast any of you in this thread or pink floyd of anything. but is it just me or doess pink floyd sound like they could be sitting down playing there music, while on the other hand someone like Metallica you know is having a great time with it![/QUOTE]

Yep trying to play your music on stage the best you can means you arent having a good time. :rolleyes:

Besides have you read about their tour for "The Wall"?

[quote=GW]Pink Floyd's Wall Tour was one of their most spectacular yet: 45 tons of equipment, 106 decibels of quadraphobic sound, a bomber plane, inflatables, Gerald Scarfe's monsterous puppets, a fake Pink Foyd band in masks and 340 bricks erected by concealed hydraulic lifts onto a 160x35 foot wall[/quote]
I'd like to see them pull that off sitting down.


Metallica havent always been having a "great time", remember their group therapy?


Looks are deceiving.

[QUOTE=magicbus]I found that interview, so I thought I'd post this thing I was talking about.

[i]Guitar World: Was Dark Side of the Moon your baby?

Waters: It was. This album is my baby. In terms of what the records were about, they were my ideas and I wrote them. Dave [Gilmour] particularly, but Rick as well, had major, important contributions.

Guitar World: By all accounts, you feel that you were too generous with the songwriting credits on the album.

Waters: I've regretted it rather a lot since, but I'm over that now. I went through many years when I really regretted having given away half the writing credits, particularly [Nick Mason's solo credit for] "Speak to Me." I gave it to him. Nobody else had anything to do with it at all.

Guitar World: Dave Gilmour has previously said he didn't contribute as fully as he could have to the songwriting process; he was a bit lazy.

Waters: Dave likes to think that his lack of contributio has to do with laziness.[/i]

Then he talks about how he's a great guitar player, but isn't really a writer.[/QUOTE]

Grr... That bothers me. I wish he wouldn't be so arrogant, because he really was such an amazingly talented musician.

[QUOTE=DeusExMachina]Grr... That bothers me. I wish he wouldn't be so arrogant, because he really was such an amazingly talented musician.[/QUOTE]
Is he really though? I like Waters, find him to be a brilliant song writer but as far as being a musician goes he wasn't the greatest bass player. In one interview Dave Gilmour said that Waters had developed a relatively simple style of playing and was never all that interested in improving himself as a bass player. Apparently about half the songs on their albums would have Gilmour playing bass because he could do it faster. Gilmour strikes me as the one really exception musician in the group whereas Waters is probably the better song writer.

He doesn't really need to be an amazing player though, his bass work fits so well with all the songs. Most of their songs are slower, so there wouldn't really be a reason for him play any faster or improve on his style. Plus I think Deus was refering to his writing ability, but good point anyways.

[QUOTE=Raijo]Is he really though? I like Waters, find him to be a brilliant song writer but as far as being a musician goes he wasn't the greatest bass player. In one interview Dave Gilmour said that Waters had developed a relatively simple style of playing and was never all that interested in improving himself as a bass player. Apparently about half the songs on their albums would have Gilmour playing bass because he could do it faster. Gilmour strikes me as the one really exception musician in the group whereas Waters is probably the better song writer.[/QUOTE]

Agreed completely. Sorry for the confusion, when I said Waters was an amazing musician, I meant that in terms of writing, not performing or playing.

Hey! I was just informed by Bartender that Roger Waters and Eric Clapton played WYWH live for the appeal concert! I missed it. :upset:

Video, anyone?

WHAT?!?!??!?! :amaze:

[QUOTE=HeavyRiva]Hey! I was just informed by Bartender that Roger Waters and Eric Clapton played WYWH live for the appeal concert! I missed it. :upset:

Video, anyone?[/QUOTE]

Yea I heard they did, but by the time I read it in the CR thread I had missed it.

Bartender says that it was just two of 'em, playing acoustics. No drums, no keyboards...

It was awesome. Eric played the acoustic solo so well!

Curses, I missed it. Wish I had seen that.

I saw it, Eric played the solos and Roger "sang".

yeah, Roger didn't sing to well did he.

Clapton and Waters also performed Across the Universe together at the concert for the 5 year anniversary of John Lennon's death. Just a little bit of trivia.

[QUOTE=magicbus]He doesn't really need to be an amazing player though, his bass work fits so well with all the songs. Most of their songs are slower, so there wouldn't really be a reason for him play any faster or improve on his style. Plus I think Deus was refering to his writing ability, but good point anyways.[/QUOTE]

If Waters was a virtuso bassist, I probably wouldn't like Pink Floyd any more or less. With songs that good, I could care less if the bass was elaborated on a bit more. Plus Waters wrote the bass for money. Has Gilmour ever written a riff so catchy/popular/sucessfull? NO! Therefor, Waters>Gilmour as a musician as well as songwritting!

The only reason why they showed Mason playing in Pompei is because they lost the other footage of the band and had nothing else.

Also, check out December's Guitar World mag. It has a rather extended interview with PF concerning the tensions juring The Wall and the POV of different band members.

One quote I don't agree with from Gilmour is how "Roger destroyed Nick and Rick as musicians". Personally that's just not possible. So, you got kicked out of a band in 1979/1980 and by 1987, because of that terrible ordeal, you're not able to come up with any keyboard parts for the album! Blame it on Roger! Seriously, that doesn't make anysense whatsoever. Wright hasn't put out anything worth while in over 25 years (last sparks of creativity probably off Animals) and all this is attributed to Roger kicking him out of Pink Floyd and being a "hardass". I fail to see how being kicked out of a band will automatically make you loose all sense of musical creativity, even decades after the fact.