[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Thanks dude! That was quite the sample!

I'll listen after Enemies of Reality... :thumb:[/QUOTE]
How is it? You should bump the dredg thread and post your thoughts in there.

[QUOTE=Moses]Well you only got El Cielo a little while ago.@ Jake

Pop= popular music
unique song structures= not popular

In fact:
unique= not popular[/QUOTE]

Rubbish. Anyway, this debate is pointless, pop as a genre dosn't have a very defined sound, other than having characterists that make it accessable to a large audience of people. ie: Hooks, simple "catchy" melody.

Pink Floyd's Money is a great pop song, pop because it was their breakthrough popular single and was in the pop charts for a long time. Mostly in a 7/8 time signiture, or whatever, then changes to 4/4. Sounds "unique" in structure to me, but the way it's done it's very accessable and catchy.

Obviously it's progressive rock music, you know, hints of blues, has a sax, interesting structure, guitars doing off-beat things, used samples for one of the first times in popular music. But it's also a pop song.

In the same way that OK Computer is a great pop album. Thom Yorke insists they are pop songs, but they're done so arty and interestingly that i'd consider it more art-rock, hints of space rock, electionica, jazz, but i'm not going to go off on one if someone calls the album a pop-album.

Besides, CWA has very simple song structures, pretty much all the same, in fact. This is very un-progressive in characteristic, and very poppy. The only characteristics of progressiveness would maybe be some of the chords and chord progressions, and the way they incorporated their different influences together to make their fairly unique sound. Even so, it's not very prog, and definately has more in common with pop (being focused around catchy melodies and simple song structures and hooks). It's also rock music as well.

People and their genre debating and insisting something fits into one category (even a double-barreled one) exclusively can often be fairly naive. Often with more fresh sounding music, all you have is a case for a band or song being in a particular genre, but this dosn't necesserally mean there isn't a case for calling it something else too, and some bands... a lot of the ones i'm sure a lot of people posting here listen to incorporate so many different characteristics into their sound it's sometimes impossible to *completely* pin them down with a word or two.

So.

Two months, two missing newsletters.

gg toolband.

Damn...I was just reading a few of the first couple pages of this thread, and I don't think many people actually get what TOOL is really about. Just because there are religious references in "Eulogy", doesn't necessarily mean that it's about jesus or god.....Maynard's just commenting on cult-leaders like L.Ron Hubbard, evil liars like George W.Bush, celebrities, etc. etc. Whoever people decide to look up to and put upon a pedestal and worship.....you know those televangelists that people send all of their money too....the people that leave people with that empty(no-hope)feeling only to build hope back up in their image. It's all applicable to whatever you want it to be. I find it funny that Maynard was trying to warn everyone about Scientology and the evils of it like 10 years ago, and only now is it recognized as an evil corporate scam that has murdered people for money, taken on the IRS and won, and the "inner-circle" of this "church" have their hands in ALOT of other **** as well.

[QUOTE=PinkFreud]carey's supposed to be using electric drums for some of the album. i dont know how i feel about that.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, wouldn't surprise me... He uses them at the beginning of Stinkfist, I believe.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]81st Chakra is a master peice.[/QUOTE]

It's probably the most progressive and artsy piece Tool has ever written.

Hasn't he always combined use between electric and acoustic?

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Hasn't he always combined use between electric and acoustic?[/QUOTE]

Yeah, he has a few electric drums, i'm pretty sure one is used right before his solo type thing in forty six & 2

[URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=z1FFmdZaCBA&search=tool"]http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=z1FFmdZaCBA&search=tool[/URL]

:chug:

Wait, isn't today January 3rd? According to "Maynard" on Toolnavy, something whimsical and fantastic is supposed to occur today. I'd better go check Best Buy to see of the album was secretely released.

Oh wait, that Toolnavy page was just another hoax by another pathetic fanboy? I'm shocked that it wasn't authentic!

[QUOTE=paganman7]Wait, isn't today January 3rd? According to "Maynard" on Toolnavy, something whimsical and fantastic is supposed to occur today. I'd better go check Best Buy to see of the album was secretely released.

Oh wait, that Toolnavy page was just another hoax by another pathetic fanboy? I'm shocked that it wasn't authentic![/QUOTE]
:eek: I almost forgot!


Remember, that was actually Maynards account, because it had "BAND Member" under the user title.

[QUOTE=paganman7]Wait, isn't today January 3rd? According to "Maynard" on Toolnavy, something whimsical and fantastic is supposed to occur today. I'd better go check Best Buy to see of the album was secretely released.

Oh wait, that Toolnavy page was just another hoax by another pathetic fanboy? I'm shocked that it wasn't authentic![/QUOTE]

NO it DIDN'T say anything whimsical and fantastic was supposed to occur. I believe it merely had the date of today.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]81st Chakra is a master peice.[/QUOTE]

And where could I find this?

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Hasn't he always combined use between electric and acoustic?[/QUOTE]

Definitely. He uses them for tabla parts (he uses real tabla in studio though), and heaps of other parts, like in The Grudge before "clutch it like a cornerstone". I love his use of them, he only adds a little bit to each song, not sounding artificial.

I'm getting tired of this.

Toolband is getting updated less frequently now and it seems that the momentum that was gained with the release of the singles has now slowed again.

People were saying early spring...winter is nearly over...when is this gonna sort itself out?

(I will strangle anyone that says 'be patient')

I agree clearvision its really getting ridiculous now, i was told last christmas it would be released at the start of the year (2005). Well its 2006 and hey :wave:

Oh well from what little info i can gather from Toolband and other sources it's gonna be well worth it.

just let it go...


im SURE you'll all know when its official

While it is annoying to have one of your favourite bands CD's take forever to come out, just listen to other bands and get some other new CD's, and when theres some official news, you will know.

I'm sure a lot of people havn't been waiting since 2001 for a new CD, most Tool fans on here seem to be post-Lateralus people, or Lateralus era, and took a while to get their old CD's as well, so they havn't been without new Tool for *that* long. It could be worse, for loads of artists you have to wait a couple of years or so.

I'm just listening to a lot of Opeth lately, and can tolerate waiting now, because I know it's going to be very soon that I have my hands on the new album.

^^ You know theft is illegal right? Including theft of people's thoughts :P

Totally agree, since thats almost exactly what i've been saying to people I know

New album better be worth the wait.

[QUOTE=Refl]New album better be worth the wait.[/QUOTE]

I bet we get some negative reviews in the first few days of the album being released. I just think people are going to put their expectations on a really high level, and if they're not immediately met with something they consider amazing they'll be disappointed.

[QUOTE]People were saying early spring...winter is nearly over...when is this gonna sort itself out?[/QUOTE]



Sometime between today and June 21st (isn't that the first day of summer?). At any rate, I'm satisfied with the sticker that said "Spring 2006", at least it's something.

Yes, I didn't throw out the wrappers on my DVD singles because I wanted to keep that sticker. :p


And MidnightRider I could send you 81st if you want, otherwise it's not avaible on the myspace anymore.

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Yes, I didn't throw out the wrappers on my DVD singles because I wanted to keep that sticker. :p


And MidnightRider I could send you 81st if you want, otherwise it's not avaible on the myspace anymore.[/QUOTE]

I would also like it. :)

Alright, I got your e-mail, but I need Midnights...

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit]And MidnightRider I could send you 81st if you want, otherwise it's not avaible on the myspace anymore.[/QUOTE]

[email]UTvol48@aol.com[/email]

That would be nice. :)

[QUOTE=Dunkelheit509]Alright, I got your e-mail, but I need Midnights...[/QUOTE]

Thanks alot.

*Is getting really annoyed with the smileys advert at the top of the page*

Sent.


Get firefox, then get the extension "Adblock". It's just a small black bar across the page for me. :)

The song is genious! And yey! No more annoying adverts!!!

[QUOTE=clearvision]I'm getting tired of this.

Toolband is getting updated less frequently now and it seems that the momentum that was gained with the release of the singles has now slowed again.

People were saying early spring...winter is nearly over...when is this gonna sort itself out?

(I will strangle anyone that says 'be patient')[/QUOTE]

Be patient. (teehee)

[QUOTE=Diego]Be patient. (teehee)[/QUOTE]
I was ganna do that. But I didn't want to be an ***. :smash: :lol:

The album will be worth the wait, I'm sure of it. It's Tool. I trust them to evolve as much as they've said they have.

This will prolly be either second to last or the last of Tool's album releases. The rate they go out, although it does help them create music, is too slow for much else of quality.

Aren't they still required by contract to release at least one more album?

Lateralus was first, and the new album second of a three-record deal, from what I remember.

Edit: Damned typo.

That is quite thweet news, Scruples. However, by the time they release their third record, I will probably be dead or something.

Stupid slow perfectionist bastards. :angry:

Anyone want to upload the Oklahoma show for me? Rep will be involved.

(Jake, I dont have a "Faggy" connection anymore) :p

I can give you part 1, although I don't know how long it will take.

On a somewhat tool-related note, while we're all waiting for their album, Puscifer (another one of Maynard's side projects) will have a new song called "The Undertaker" on the Underworld Evolution soundtrack. Most of the rest of the soundtrack looks awful, so I'd just download it.

Link: [url]http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000CEV4XQ/qid=1136407807/sr=2-2/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_2/104-4379377-5907916?s=music&v=glance&n=5174[/url]

Has this song been leaked yet? I'm dying to hear it.

[QUOTE=Otherside]I can give you part 1, although I don't know how long it will take.[/QUOTE]
oooh, can i grab that too?

edit: and i meant that he would be using the electronics more on this album.

[QUOTE=Scruples]Aren't they still required by contract to release at least one more album?

Lateralus was first, and the new album second of a three-record deal, from what I remember.

Edit: Damned typo.[/QUOTE]
What abouts the DVDs? Don't they count? Don't forget about the live one thats coming out to.



And I'd be happy to help with the OK show again, if Otherside has part 1, I can do Part 2 as early as tonight.

Sorry guys, can't find part 1, I might have deleted it when my computer was running out of memory a few months ago :\

I'm uploading Part 2 as we speak, I guess I can do part 2 tomorrow.


Whoever wants it, post their e-mails.