[quote=EADGCF;17233826]Anyone here use Ableton Live?[/quote]

A trial of it came with my Fast Track Pro. It looks to be a decent user interface, but it was a trail/demo, and it didn't look like anything spectacular.

I'm excited to try out some of the open source linux-based recording programs. They sound half-way decent.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fjl0plRxuo0&feature=related

Sup, P?

Not much dawg, listening to Boston, going over some stuff I'm going to need to know for school.

RZA = t3h sh*t. What's up with his project with Shavo from SOAD?

I'm doing the same, with a bit of net surfing in between. I'm trying to determine what else I'll need for my computer before I order it. So far, I will have picked up a good quad-core processor, decent motherboard, and 8GB of RAM for about $260.

Can't really afford it right now, but that's what credit cards are for.

Plus, after this week, I'll be able to work all the overtime I want without school restrictions, so I'll likely have it paid off and then some before the end of the month.

[QUOTE=Sablate McNuff;17234334]A trial of it came with my Fast Track Pro. It looks to be a decent user interface, but it was a trail/demo, and it didn't look like anything spectacular.

I'm excited to try out some of the open source linux-based recording programs. They sound half-way decent.[/QUOTE]

Reason isn't really doing it for me these days. I've heard good things about Ableton for sequencing.

I hear you're good for sequencing pants and denim vests! Fag!







































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[quote=EADGCF;17234704]Reason isn't really doing it for me these days. I've heard good things about Ableton for sequencing.[/quote]

I don't really mess around with that, to be honest.

You might try to find a used copy of it for cheap or be illegal (which I would never condone in any way, shape, or form) and get it for free.

Anybody got a copy of Rosetta Stone's German 1 program? I'd like to start learning another language (even though I've not mastered English or Spanish...but I know enough to get by) and I figured German would be a great place to start as I know enough people that speak German that could help me along.

Ich habbe eine grosse wurst.


I took two years of honors. I remember around 3% of it.

Hallo. Ich bin Joe.

I can ask "how are you?" formally, but I'll be damned if I spell it correctly at all.

Vie heisen zi?

/german fail

So I bought a #1 Echo a couple days ago, but think i'm going to sell it to get a dd-20.

[QUOTE=EADGCF;17234704]Reason isn't really doing it for me these days. I've heard good things about Ableton for sequencing.[/QUOTE]
What version have you got?

I've been using v3, but got v4 on the weekend.

If you get Ableton, which I actually have a copy of, you can still rewire Reason to Ableton and use the sounds you like.

So going to Ableton you're not really losing anything, besides the time it takes to get comfortable with it.

Yay my loop entry has been composed...Now to record it..

Joelbassman i have posted for you in my thread now you shall go and read it

Lol I have read it, I'm getting around to listening to the remix and posting about it very soon.

[QUOTE=Joelbassman;17234947]What version have you got?

I've been using v3, but got v4 on the weekend.

If you get Ableton, which I actually have a copy of, you can still rewire Reason to Ableton and use the sounds you like.

So going to Ableton you're not really losing anything, besides the time it takes to get comfortable with it.

Yay my loop entry has been composed...Now to record it..[/QUOTE]


I mean the interface is ok... the difference might even be negligible. My issue with Reason is that 95% of the drum samples are pretty useless to me, and those I do use aren't really spectacular. The rest of the VST's are decent but again, I wouldn't mind something better.

Maybe I just need to hook myself up with a bunch of Re-Fills.

What are you doing to the drums in the mixing stage? Compressors and often limiters and eqs can work wonders on them. I'm guessing they come un-eq'd/compressed so people can do that themselves.

I find the interface a little gayer than Logic. The piano scroll is fine, but the arrangement window in v3 is terrible. Haven't tried v4 yet, will do tonight though.

You know Cubase can sequence right? The vst's are pretty horrible though.

[quote=EADGCF;17234965]I mean the interface is ok... the difference might even be negligible. My issue with Reason is that 95% of the drum samples are pretty useless to me, and those I do use aren't really spectacular. The rest of the VST's are decent but again, I wouldn't mind something better.

Maybe I just need to hook myself up with a bunch of Re-Fills.[/quote]

I personally like to use fruity loops for my drums (although I need to get a full version so that I can export them with loss of sound quality). Usually I steal drum sounds from bands or even mic up my drummer's kit and record a couple sounds - replacing the drum sounds with a real recorded kit, in essence.

[QUOTE=EADGCF;17234965]I mean the interface is ok... the difference might even be negligible. My issue with Reason is that 95% of the drum samples are pretty useless to me, and those I do use aren't really spectacular. The rest of the VST's are decent but again, I wouldn't mind something better.

Maybe I just need to hook myself up with a bunch of Re-Fills.[/QUOTE]

create your own. it's time comsuming but you get the sound you look for and they're custom.

Another issue with Reason is that notes in sequence don't carry over beats, so my drums end up sounding choppy. I suppose I could smooth this to a point with reverb, but it's not really ideal.

[quote=EADGCF;17234978]Another issue with Reason is that notes in sequence don't carry over beats, so my drums end up sounding choppy. I suppose I could smooth this to a point with reverb, but it's not really ideal.[/quote]

That would annoy the hell out of me.

Fruity Loops ftw

[QUOTE=EADGCF;17234978]Another issue with Reason is that notes in sequence don't carry over beats, so my drums end up sounding choppy. I suppose I could smooth this to a point with reverb, but it's not really ideal.[/QUOTE]

what does this mean??

i know you dont like my music, or me, whatever, but im decent with the program. what do you mean they dont "carry over beats"

everybody who has reason is decent with the program its like saying you're good at walking

and matt what are you talking about do you mean that notes specifically in a sequencer don't correlate to the bpm of the drums you're programming because they automatically do that everything registers in the .SEQ format to the BPM of the current reason project you have open

[quote=Gattsu347;17234985]what does this mean??

i know you dont like my music, or me, whatever, but im decent with the program. what do you mean they dont "carry over beats"[/quote]

For example, if I hit a cymbal, it's not going to be exactly a quarter note long unless I choke it. Instead, it's going to ring out another quarter note or so and "carry over" the next beat.

[QUOTE=Sablate McNuff;17234990]For example, if I hit a cymbal, it's not going to be exactly a quarter note long unless I choke it. Instead, it's going to ring out another quarter note or so and "carry over" the next beat.[/QUOTE]

you can solve that by altering the drop down tab in the drawing tool to split the bars up into quarter notes and then turn down the "length" knob on the ReDrum mixer till it fills up the space you want it to

[QUOTE=Raayl;17234988]everybody who has reason is decent with the program its like saying you're good at walking

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i didnt say it was hard. some people have a limp.


[QUOTE]For example, if I hit a cymbal, it's not going to be exactly a quarter note long unless I choke it. Instead, it's going to ring out another quarter note or so and "carry over" the next beat.[/QUOTE]

you can do 2 things.

first is you can edit the actual sample of the cymbal hit to decay more quickly in effect dampening it for your quarter note instead of a half note or whatever. it will take a little work.

second is easier but might not work as well. You can create an automation lane for decay or even master volume to decay the cymbal hit. the only problem with this option is that the rest of your drum track is going to get decayed or volumed out too.

in hind sight, you can creat a separate track for your cymbal and then do the lan automation with decay or master volume and kill it, that way the rest of your drums wont be affected.

I hate programming drums. I like to just play the drum part either on a drum machine with pads or a keyboard set up to control drum samples. Now if I had Drum Doctor that would be something else...

[QUOTE=Jaded;17234999]I hate programming drums. I like to either just play the drum part on a drum machine with pads or a keyboard set up to control drum samples. Now if I had Drum Doctor that would be something else...[/QUOTE]

its all about the velocity tool for authenticity's sake. if the program has a poor velocity tool the drums will sound bad =/

drumkit from hell - nothing does drum programming better imo. ReDrum in reason is also good - it has a decent mixer.

I find "playing" drums on a keyboard to be far worse than just drawing the beat in. It feels awkward and strange to me.

i have a few pads on my keyboard, what i usually do is play one part at a time. record the kick, record over it with the snare, hi hat ect.

I've tried so hard to "get" DKFH, it looks so sweet. But as everyone knows, 'getting' programs is usually half the struggle. It's making them work that's often harder.

Get a trigger finger, I agree that keyboards are stupid for drums. But trigger fingers are so much more natural and I think most if not the good ones are velocity sensitive.

[QUOTE=Gattsu347;17235008]i have a few pads on my keyboard, what i usually do is play one part at a time. record the kick, record over it with the snare, hi hat ect.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't this be annoying?

Wouldn't it be easier just to use the pads as the controller, or are you using the keyboard drums as your actual drums?

Doesn't make sense to me:confused:

i build drum beats adding one feature at a time. when i feel it sounds good, then i actually edit the midi......notes....idk what to call them, the little bars and such until i like it just right.

as far as redrum goes, i almost never use the pattern looper...idk why

When I record tribal aspects of certain beats I will play them on my keyboard, just because there are so many notes I don't feel like programming them all in with the draw tool.

[QUOTE=Raayl;17235006]its all about the velocity tool for authenticity's sake. if the program has a poor velocity tool the drums will sound bad =/

drumkit from hell - nothing does drum programming better imo. ReDrum in reason is also good - it has a decent mixer.

I find "playing" drums on a keyboard to be far worse than just drawing the beat in. It feels awkward and strange to me.[/QUOTE]

agreed about the velocity tool

I've had a lot of practice "playing" drums on pads and keyboards, so it sounds a lot more authentic than when I try to draw them in. I've had many a jam session with my friends during which I just sit on the keys and play drums since there is no other percussion around. It's gotten to the point where I can play kick, snare, open hh and closed hh, and cross-sticks with the left hand while f*cking around with whatever else with the right. It's hilarious and stupid and kind of useful sometimes

i definately cant do that, especially with one hand

if i work at it for a minute or so i can usually get 3 maybe 4 features down in time, but its kind of a chore. and i use both hands :/

haha, yeah - I goof around all the time playing beats on my keyboard. I'm alright at it. Some people spend way too much time practicing it, though - like "beat-makers" with their MPC3000s. Gag me with a spoon.

However, it is "kind of" useful. I mean, playing keyboard drums live is downright embarrassing, but if it helps you in the studio then it doesn't really matter. I know I play some sampled drums on my keyboard for some songs, but its always just a layer or extra sample or something.

theres no subsitute for a hard hit hitting live drummer

i wish electric drums weren't so damn expensive. being able to change your kit sound to custom sounds while playing mid song live is a wet dream

[QUOTE=Raayl;17235029]haha, yeah - I goof around all the time playing beats on my keyboard. I'm alright at it. Some people spend way too much time practicing it, though - like "beat-makers" with their MPC3000s. Gag me with a spoon.

However, it is "kind of" useful. I mean, playing keyboard drums live is downright embarrassing, but if it helps you in the studio then it doesn't really matter. I know I play some sampled drums on my keyboard for some songs, but its always just a layer or extra sample or something.[/QUOTE]

whoa don't go talkin sh*t on percussion samplers now, just because wannabe hip hop producers love em doesn't mean real hop hop producers can't use em (and no I don't consider myself either one of those)

lol "beat maker"

and it doesn't really take all that much practice. if you can play drums you can play one of those things

[QUOTE=Sablate McNuff;17234990]For example, if I hit a cymbal, it's not going to be exactly a quarter note long unless I choke it. Instead, it's going to ring out another quarter note or so and "carry over" the next beat.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, basically. The decay of percussion can't be rounded to musical timing - it doesn't work that way. Too many factors such as the size and construction of the drum, tuning, how it's struck. In general I find the sounds end too quickly, particularly cymbals.


[QUOTE=Raayl;17234995]you can solve that by altering the drop down tab in the drawing tool to split the bars up into quarter notes and then turn down the "length" knob on the ReDrum mixer till it fills up the space you want it to[/QUOTE]

Ok, will try this. Not sure what length I want though - any suggestions for a starting point?


[QUOTE=Gattsu347;17234998]
you can do 2 things.

first is you can edit the actual sample of the cymbal hit to decay more quickly in effect dampening it for your quarter note instead of a half note or whatever. it will take a little work.

second is easier but might not work as well. You can create an automation lane for decay or even master volume to decay the cymbal hit. the only problem with this option is that the rest of your drum track is going to get decayed or volumed out too.

in hind sight, you can creat a separate track for your cymbal and then do the lan automation with decay or master volume and kill it, that way the rest of your drums wont be affected.[/QUOTE]

No, I want the samples to play [I]longer[/I]. Over each other as one seamless unit. My drums as they are sound choppy to me.

[QUOTE=Gattsu347;17235034]theres no subsitute for a hard hit hitting live drummer
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Yeah, basically.

matt - just loop the beat and turn up the length knob until you have the drum length where you want it to be. Also, try adding reverb. Go up to "create effect" and pick one. It helps a lot.