[QUOTE=Otherside]So AJG did you ever try out for that band?[/QUOTE]

Nope, the ad had long gone when i checked back the other day. Although the guy selling me the guitar im affter saw me in my APC shirt and threw in a strap for free, when I eventually pick it up.

So I guess I got something out the deal. Still, would have been cool to find another group of tol fans to jam with

if i accidently quoted someone, i didn't mean to, this is my first post, and i was not sure exactly how to post anything, but i think i got it.....

i didn't want to read all 90 pages on this thread, but i would like to start of by saying that the first few pages really made me start listening to Tool again, and i went out and bought two CDs, Opiate and Lateralus. I can't find the other CDs, but i hope i find them soon.

If you aren't a drummer, you may not be too interested to read this, but you can if you want. I wanted to discuss Danny Carey a bit. In my opinion, Danny Carey (now to be referred to as DC) is one of the best drummers out there for more reasons than the fact that he can play stuff half of us do not understand. Its the things that that you have to be a drummer/musician to appreciate that make him good. I am talking about things such as odd timing signatures, or tricky co-ordination with the left foot on hi-hat. Take the intro to Ticks and Leeches for example: The rhythm and notes are not hard to play, but he adds on the hi-hat foot on quarter notes later, and then double bass after that, all the while keeping in 7/4 beautifully. I don't care if you find this easy to do, I find it extremely hard to duplicate, and if I do manage to play the whole intro correctly, I'm surprised by just how well it flows. I've been playing drums for a year and eight months now, and i can play pretty much everything DC has made (not off memory, i've only memorized a few songs), but I couldn't imagine making up my own beats as well thought out and performed as DC. I doesn't take a pro drummer to play what Danny plays, but in my opinion it takes a pro drummer to [B]create[/B] the rhythms that he plays. I wanted learn "The Grudge" for a drum concert a while back, so I tabbed the song out myself before learning to play it (i didn't submit it on the internet). However, after working on the song for...uh, lets see, about 2 months, I still hadn't really gotten to far because most of his tom beats have flams, accents, ghost notes, some triplets too, and offbeat bass notes, that you feel overwhelmed at how much you need to perfect your co-ordination before playing it. And then theres that drum solo at the end :smash: , i didn't know what to do. So, i simplified the song with less flams, accents, and offbeat bass notes, and replaced electronics with simple ghost notes on the toms, land in the end i felt ashamed at how much i had destroyed DC's masterpiece. Strangely, at the end of the concert, at least 10 strangers came up to me and told me they had never seen anyone play the drums that well, and that they didn't mind the loud music because what i had played seemed so creative and thoughtful to them. i thanked them, but i knew that if they had heard and seen DC up there on the stage, they would've shat themselves. I hope i have managed to get across my point, unfortunately i suck at english, so im not good at this, but im trying to point out to everyone out there that DC is great because he plays what no one else does, he goes beyond the usual 4/4 hi-hat beats and creates masterpieces in whatever timing imaginable, and better yet he does it so it flows. His skill at what he does is beyond belief if you stop to think about it. I challenge you to name one drummer that has created masterpieces as creative and beautiful as DC. You see? It's hard! Theres people like Joey Jordison from Slipknot that sound good, but all he really does is fast fills and double bass. Hes weak with his hands. Also theres Mike Portnoy of Dream Theatre...I can't even listen to his drumming because he does all these retarted timing changes repeatedly that it just sounds like hes playing around his set with no actual timing in mind. Not only that, but Mike has never impressed me with his beats, because they are straightforward and simple co-ordination. You don't have to think twice. .....Shoot, sorry everyone, i started rambling a bit there (a bit? :lol: ), to sum it all up, Danny Carey is a drummer unlike any other. I swear to god hes god. :thumb:


I know this is a childish thing to do, but [B]DANNY CAREY RULES!!!![/B]

thanks everyone who actually read this for reading my opinion, and thanks to everyone out there who got me listening and playing to Tool again. Im even starting to learn guitar, just so I can play Tool on another instrument, but i wont bother stating what makes Adam Jones so good (its the effects :lol: ) honestly, i have no life....drums, guitar, Tool....food.... thanks everyone.

holy fvck i wrote a lot :lol: :smash: :thumb:

if i accidently quoted someone, i didn't mean to, this is my first post, and i was not sure exactly how to post anything, but i think i got it.....

i didn't want to read all 90 pages on this thread, but i would like to start of by saying that the first few pages really made me start listening to Tool again, and i went out and bought two CDs, Opiate and Lateralus. I can't find the other CDs, but i hope i find them soon.

If you aren't a drummer, you may not be too interested to read this, but you can if you want. I wanted to discuss Danny Carey a bit. In my opinion, Danny Carey (now to be referred to as DC) is one of the best drummers out there for more reasons than the fact that he can play stuff half of us do not understand. Its the things that that you have to be a drummer/musician to appreciate that make him good. I am talking about things such as odd timing signatures, or tricky co-ordination with the left foot on hi-hat. Take the intro to Ticks and Leeches for example: The rhythm and notes are not hard to play, but he adds on the hi-hat foot on quarter notes later, and then double bass after that, all the while keeping in 7/4 beautifully. I don't care if you find this easy to do, I find it extremely hard to duplicate, and if I do manage to play the whole intro correctly, I'm surprised by just how well it flows. I've been playing drums for a year and eight months now, and i can play pretty much everything DC has made (not off memory, i've only memorized a few songs), but I couldn't imagine making up my own beats as well thought out and performed as DC. I doesn't take a pro drummer to play what Danny plays, but in my opinion it takes a pro drummer to [B]create[/B] the rhythms that he plays. I wanted learn "The Grudge" for a drum concert a while back, so I tabbed the song out myself before learning to play it (i didn't submit it on the internet). However, after working on the song for...uh, lets see, about 2 months, I still hadn't really gotten to far because most of his tom beats have flams, accents, ghost notes, some triplets too, and offbeat bass notes, that you feel overwhelmed at how much you need to perfect your co-ordination before playing it. And then theres that drum solo at the end :smash: , i didn't know what to do. So, i simplified the song with less flams, accents, and offbeat bass notes, and replaced electronics with simple ghost notes on the toms, land in the end i felt ashamed at how much i had destroyed DC's masterpiece. Strangely, at the end of the concert, at least 10 strangers came up to me and told me they had never seen anyone play the drums that well, and that they didn't mind the loud music because what i had played seemed so creative and thoughtful to them. i thanked them, but i knew that if they had heard and seen DC up there on the stage, they would've shat themselves. I hope i have managed to get across my point, unfortunately i suck at english, so im not good at this, but im trying to point out to everyone out there that DC is great because he plays what no one else does, he goes beyond the usual 4/4 hi-hat beats and creates masterpieces in whatever timing imaginable, and better yet he does it so it flows. His skill at what he does is beyond belief if you stop to think about it. I challenge you to name one drummer that has created masterpieces as creative and beautiful as DC. You see? It's hard! Theres people like Joey Jordison from Slipknot that sound good, but all he really does is fast fills and double bass. Hes weak with his hands. Also theres Mike Portnoy of Dream Theatre...I can't even listen to his drumming because he does all these retarted timing changes repeatedly that it just sounds like hes playing around his set with no actual timing in mind. Not only that, but Mike has never impressed me with his beats, because they are straightforward and simple co-ordination. You don't have to think twice. .....Shoot, sorry everyone, i started rambling a bit there (a bit? :lol: ), to sum it all up, Danny Carey is a drummer unlike any other. I swear to god hes god. :thumb:


I know this is a childish thing to do, but [B]DANNY CAREY RULES!!!![/B]

thanks everyone who actually read this for reading my opinion, and thanks to everyone out there who got me listening and playing to Tool again. Im even starting to learn guitar, just so I can play Tool on another instrument, but i wont bother stating what makes Adam Jones so good (its the effects :lol: ) honestly, i have no life....drums, guitar, Tool....food.... thanks everyone.

holy fvck i wrote a lot :lol: :smash: :thumb:

sorry for the double post there guys, my computer is having troubles :mad:

actually, it's a triple post:P but don't worry, it's worth a second read:p very well summed up, and i think you speak english fine. I am not a drummer, nor do i understand how the fvck drummers do what they do. But i agree, danny carey is just something else, amazing. I always listen to ticks and leeches, and think, ****, that sounds hard to play. Of what you said, it is. basically, this all leads to one point i am trying to make.................................rep++ for you!!:)

[QUOTE=bebubly]hey there...i am a huge danny carey fan but i really cannot drum well enough to learn what he plays for tool yet...i don't feel that unless you are a very very good drummer you should even try it because he puts so much work andeffort into it and the results are so amazing...i was just wondering if you have any videos of you playing what you can of his work or even any recordings you might share?? i would be really interested to hear them...[/QUOTE]
Yeah I'd love some footage of the man himself at work...By the way nice salad fingers avatar. :thumb:

[url]http://www.metalrefuge.com/interviews/opeth.html[/url]

in an interview, Mikael from Opeth said that he and the rest of the band are HUGE Tool fans, and would love to tour with them

that concert would rock so hard

[QUOTE=bebubly]guess who managed to get hold of the book...me :D...basically its not set out as it should be but i think me not being able to get it was something to do with me having windows 98...but if anyone can't download it and wants to read it post your email addresses and it'll be winging it's way straight to you :thumb:[/QUOTE]


hey my emails [email]b_nuts_420@yahoo.com[/email] i like tool to the max because i like the sound and maynards voice its so hypnotic in a way well i'll like that book since i can't download it. so if you send me it i'll be soo happy alright :cool:

look guys i have done countless hours of studying on christ.. etc
and there's a few things that people need to know.

the bible is a creation of man and not god, in around 400 AD emperopr constantine saw the growing christan movement and decided that he could gain by pushing the winning cart. so he set on a mission to destroy all bible related documents and rewright the bible, in his rewright he proclamed that jesus was the messiah wereas in the old document jesus was not )these documents were documented by jesus himself.
this is just one of the shocking changes made to the bible.

so a dont mean to offend anyone but most of the bible is a lie.

for proof read the secrets of the bible by tony bushby, hold on in fact start of by reading the da vinci code by dan brown you'll be changed forever

oh **** sorry for the spelling

I dont think that has anything to do with tool...

[QUOTE=Grey Incision][url]http://www.metalrefuge.com/interviews/opeth.html[/url]

in an interview, Mikael from Opeth said that he and the rest of the band are HUGE Tool fans, and would love to tour with them

that concert would rock so hard[/QUOTE]

yes...interesting...very interesting

i got annoyed at reading that the interviewer says y'all too much :angry: :angry:

loving what they did with rage

yah, the song that they did with rage, "revolution" was pretty fvcking cool. Rage was one the most raw bands of the 90's, I wish they got back together and toured with TOOL, but that is just wishful thinking...

Hey guys I am new to this site but this thread caught my eye really fast, I love tool and love their deep lyrics, I think that this thread is a great idea. This may have already have been discussed somewhere in the other 80 pages of this thread that I haven’t read yet but I definitely think that parabola has lyrics based on Buddhism the most obvious would be “we are eternal but our pain is an illusion” Also could someone post all the other bands the guys from tool have worked with and which members? Sorry if this post seems Noobie-ish, I just got really into Tool about a month ago, and I just picked up a guitar a week ago, so I am definitely a noob, but I love this site and I’ll be using it a lot.

drumtilidie, excellent post most indepth look at dc on this site i believe. but i do have one thing to say. at the end of your post you said adam jones is all effects. aj may not look as impressive as dc but he puts just as much creativity into his music. an excellent example is reflection. he opens with the foot pedal synth. he does that 14/15 times? then at the 6 or 7 repeat with the synth he enters with the guitar. now the tricky part is he plays the synth with different timing from his guitar riff. listen to the song carefully and you will see how dc and aj both very different, are yet both very good in the sense you described dc.

Welcome, nEWb...

Never really looked into Parabola, and i don't think it has been discussed here.

Bands (that i know of)

Danny - Pigmy Love Circus
Adam - ...
Maynard - A perfect circle
Justin - Peach

Youc an find out about all these side projects on the tool FAQ... [url]http://toolshed.down.net[/url] and click on FAQ

:thumb: Enjoy the thread

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Nope, the ad had long gone when i checked back the other day. Although the guy selling me the guitar im affter saw me in my APC shirt and threw in a strap for free, when I eventually pick it up.

So I guess I got something out the deal. Still, would have been cool to find another group of tol fans to jam with[/QUOTE]


Well all is not lost I guess. Although a guitar strap isn't much compared to a band :\ Better luck next time then eh?

Thanks clearvision

Ok I finally got around to getting *** Kickin Fat Kid by Titannica, a band featuring Maynard, Scott Ian (Anthrax) and Samantha Maloney (Motley Crue/Hole). Maynards voice in this song is quite different to how he usually sounds, more raspy/screamo than usual i guess. The song is generally a lot rougher than what Tool produce, but I guess that's the Anthrax/Motley Crue influence. Anyway, the reason for this post was just to say how it was cool to hear Maynards voice being used in yet another different manner.

Anychance you could mail it to me...?

robertchapman88 at gmail.com

tool kicks ****ing ***. they are awesome, danny carey is great, and maynard is in my opinion a great lyricist

[QUOTE=daven]tool kicks ****ing ***. they are awesome, danny carey is great, and maynard is in my opinion a great lyricist[/QUOTE]

when did you finally arrive at this conclusion. for some ppl it takes longer than other. MADD TALENT

[QUOTE=clearvision]Anychance you could mail it to me...?

robertchapman88 at gmail.com[/QUOTE]

I'll send it tonight:)
If anyone else wants it post an address here and I'll get it all done in one go.

I'll take it to!! you want me to just post my e-mail?

yes

post it like clearvision did to avoid spam

[email]sinister_affinity@hotmail.com[/email]

cheers G_mac :)

hey im not a huge Tool fan, and i just heard "Grudge"
What do you think about this song, and what album is it on?
Thanks.

The grudge is an awesome song, it's on the album Lateralus. The grudge is not the standout track on this album, standouts include

The patient
Schism
Reflection (not for a starting tool fan)
Lateralus
Ticks and leeches
Parabol/Parabola

check them out, it is well worth the listen my friend :)

^ or you could just buy the album, it's nothing short of amazing

I just read in the Opeth tread that Mikeal the vocalist of Opeth mentioned in a interview that he would most like to tour with Tool. Seeing as Tool are one of their favourite bands, the respect and love their music and image.

I was just wondering what Tool fans thought about this?

I could care less who Tool tours with, as long as they do. They could tour with The Dixie Chicks and Id still go see the show. Course, I would probably be in a bar while the Dixie Chicks were playing. Did I just mention the Dixie Chicks in the Tool thread? Bad **** is gonna happen now.

Do a number of Tool fans tend to also like Opeths music?

[QUOTE=SonorKen]I could care less who Tool tours with, as long as they do. They could tour with The Dixie Chicks and Id still go see the show. Course, I would probably be in a bar while the Dixie Chicks were playing. Did I just mention the Dixie Chicks in the Tool thread? Bad **** is gonna happen now.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

I wouldn't care who they toured with either, just as long as it wasn't with a festival of some sort. I'd prefer to see Tool doing a show their way, with everything set to enchance their show.

And they're seem to be a number of people who like both Tool and Opeth, somebody brought it up in this thread many pages ago.

[QUOTE=G_Mac07]:lol:

I wouldn't care who they toured with either, just as long as it wasn't with a festival of some sort. I'd prefer to see Tool doing a show their way, with everything set to enchance their show.

And they're seem to be a number of people who like both Tool and Opeth, somebody brought it up in this thread many pages ago.[/QUOTE]


when i saw APC last time, Burning Brides got booed off stage. If the crowd in unreceptive, they'll deff let the band know. I didnt even know who the burning brides were, then i saw one of those feature articles on them, and i was like "yea they got booed off stage" The opening band is when you piss, get a drink, and smoke cigs.

Opeth...

I find their music very good, but slightly repetitive. I have Blackwater park and damation (avoiding stars...) The highlights throughout these albvums are windowpane, harvest and drige for novemeber. All three of those are great tracks. But i find if i listen to Opeth i will just have it on in the background. A tool tour with anyone would be cool, A Nin/Tool tour could be cool because they play the same styles of music. I feel with a Tool/Opeth tour they could attract fans that do not appreciate the other band. But yeah, if they both wanna attend download this year I'm not gonna whinge :lol

Tool has always toured with bands that were not similiar to them. I don't remember what interview this was in but I remember the guys talking about how they wanted to expose thier fans to other kinds of music. Hence Tomahawk and Messugah on thier last tour.

Yeah support bands are fine, because not many people go to a concert to see the support bands. But if they attract opeth fans whoa ren't really intrested in the tool set it's gonna be a pretty shocking tour...

(has nothing to do with the above post)

I watched an interview with Maynard a while back, and he said that bands souldn't try and sell their faces to get more fans. he said that is the reason for his strange dress sence. He wants to scare people away from his face and more to the music. In the Interview he was wearing Elton John Glasses and had sort buzzcut blonde hair. OMG.

Yeah he is like that, and i think it does the band so much good. Maynard's real identity is pretty secret, as is most of the band. This benefits tool as people don't try and relate Maynards lyrics to him as much as they would if he was more open about himself. For example If maynard wrote the lyrics to Eulogy obviously after someone pissed him off for trying to be a martyr. But because he is pretty closed about his feelings no-one really knows who it is he wrote it about so the song becomes generalised and can mean different things to different people. However (here comes the real sh!tty anology) this thing with Eamon and That frankee person (and to look her name up :lol:) You know thye are talking about each other (supposedly anyway) in their songs, and that is the songs value, to pretty much everyone. Tool's way of dealing publicity leaves their music open to listeners.