u watch too much news...because of napster and the whole media thing they started giving people these ideas that Metallica cant play or they are changing...nobody can think for themselves anymore they have to listen to everyone else. im not saying that you have to like Metallica but i dont think u should take what others think like that their an MTV band...who cares...who cares if they have long hair...who cares if they wrote I disappear for MI:2...doesnt make them bad...They have always treated the fans good. and they have never released a bad cd...

[QUOTE=madlyinangerwithu]NOW AND ALWAYS...name a better band[/QUOTE]

Just a helpful tip here mate, Click edit on your post... Saves posting twice in a row :D

Well Metallica are due to hit the studio later in the year for an early release on there follow up to St Anger album in 06, This is the only news I have heard about it so far, Also this backs up the rumour of Re-Anger...

''Best band'' Is all down to personal preference, not record sales, not publicity, simple personal liking...

I don't know why everyone holds Metallica responsible for Napster, It was 8 bands (One of which was Limp Bizkit :lol: ) That all closed the file sharing program down, Metallica were just the only band to admit, they said they won't hide the truth from there fans...

My opinions are completely formed from my own opinions.
I don't worry about them suing Napster, I have over 20gbs of .mp3s on my comuter that I have download, on the slight chance they do 'bust' me, they can't do much to me, so I say let them sue :D

ur wrong selling millions of records does make them good just does not mean anything to u. as far as everyone else their the best. dont get me wrong i love other bands. Slayer, slipkot, coal chamber, godsmack, hatebreed, System of a Down, and of couse all the old bands, led, acdc, and jimmy. but metallica plays their instruments better they can be more diverse then other bands. what makes me like them so much is their not up their hitting strings, banging drums, and yelling they have skill they can create good music and still keep it heavy. thats what makes them a good band.

[QUOTE=Chu]My opinions are completely formed from my own opinions.
I don't worry about them suing Napster, I have over 20gbs of .mp3s on my comuter that I have download, on the slight chance they do 'bust' me, they can't do much to me, so I say let them sue :D[/QUOTE]

To be honest, it wouldn't be Metallica who sued you, it would be the RIAA

[QUOTE=madlyinangerwithu]ur wrong selling millions of records does make them good just does not mean anything to u. as far as everyone else their the best. dont get me wrong i love other bands. Slayer, slipkot, coal chamber, godsmack, hatebreed, System of a Down, and of couse all the old bands, led, acdc, and jimmy. but metallica plays their instruments better they can be more diverse then other bands. what makes me like them so much is their not up their hitting strings, banging drums, and yelling they have skill they can create good music and still keep it heavy. thats what makes them a good band.[/QUOTE]
Selling millions of records can work either way, in Metallica's situation I don't consider it a good thing, I think that because Metallica 'were' in (First metal band to hit mtv), they got alot of their record sales, these are not fans, they just buy the music because it's in the scene, that has nothing to do with Metallica 'selling-out', it has everything to do with teenagers and what they think is cool, hell when Metallica were teens it was cool to wear skin tight jeans :amaze:, I think an artist like 50 Cent, or Eminem proves to us that it's not _hard_ to be the new cool figure, just do something that's so rebel, and every kid looking for a community, or something to belong to, will be attracted to you.

I am in no way saying Metallica didn't work for what they got, hell yes they worked.

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[QUOTE=LarsAgi007]To be honest, it wouldn't be Metallica who sued you, it would be the RIAA[/QUOTE]
By let them sue, I was meaning let them sue Napster.
RIAA can't touch me, because I'm Australian and different rules apply, but the American media is pushing their rules to Australia! And with our SICK government, weee!! American clone 101.

Well My 1000'th post, I best had post it in here!!
Yes, They worked for it, But agree alot of record sales were just random people buying for the sake of it... My mum has The Black album, She got it the day it came out, she listenes to Ashlee Simpson!!! The only things she ever did that were Metal like were.. Buy the black album.. And go and see Guns N Roses, but My dad made her go lol

Well the figure Metallica payed for court lawer fees was approx, $750,000, But in all due respect, Metallica did say to a Napster Rep.. We don't want this song released yet, Can you please take it off?? They didn't, they asked once more, take it down or be forced to take it down by legal action.. Again they didn't, now the creator of napster is moneyless, poor, and is paying like $100 a week to Metallica lol

[QUOTE=LarsAgi007]Well My 1000'th post, I best had post it in here!!
Yes, They worked for it, But agree alot of record sales were just random people buying for the sake of it... My mum has The Black album, She got it the day it came out, she listenes to Ashlee Simpson!!! The only things she ever did that were Metal like were.. Buy the black album.. And go and see Guns N Roses, but My dad made her go lol[/QUOTE]
Exactly, so when I see people say "Oh but they sold x^10 records!" I think their argument is redundant.

Edit: Congrats on your 1,000th man :)

[QUOTE=Chu]Exactly, so when I see people say "Oh but they sold x^10 records!" I think their argument is redundant.

Edit: Congrats on your 1,000th man :)[/QUOTE]


Hey thanks mate :thumb: I appreciate it

(I better get to work anyways, Take care all :wave: )

P.S have you noticed the 'MX' in Green and red in my avatar?

[QUOTE=LarsAgi007]P.S have you noticed the 'MX' in Green and red in my avatar?[/QUOTE]
lol :)
Well, not until you mentioned it.

[QUOTE=Chu]lol :)
Well, not until you mentioned it.[/QUOTE]

Took me ages to do lol

I love old-Metallica to death! But I have to say their new all-commercial attitude pisses the **** out of me

N I hate the ape-d00d. (a.k.a Robert)

[QUOTE=madlyinangerwithu]MTV band? MTV doesnt even play music...[/QUOTE]
According to my dictionary:
[quote]Music - An arrangement of sounds of one or more voices or instruments[/quote]
I think that makes you wrong :)

[QUOTE=Vitalogy]
N I hate the ape-d00d. (a.k.a Robert)[/QUOTE]
That's stupid. Rob is pure pwnage.

Rob is a quality bassist, I can't wait to see what he does with Metallica.

Here's a question, out of Trujillo and Burton, who is better?

I see no problems with the black album. Sure load/reload weren't as great, but black album is awesome. I tend to stay away from "ooh they're on MTV, yada yada" because I could care less if they are popular or not. I dont see why popularity should affect your music taste. Unforgiven, wherever I may roam, Nem, etc... Great songs.

For some reason, I now love ReLoad. :confused:

It has some good tracks on there, Fuel, The Memory Remains, The Unforigven II and some tracks that hardly anybody recognises like Prince Charming, Where The Wild Things Are, Attitude and Slither. All are quality.

[QUOTE=madlyinangerwithu]what needs to happen on the next album is let everyone do their own thing like their old music. St. Anger was awesome but if they left them each to do their own part i think it would have been better. but again Metallica has never had a bad album. oh and Chu in our previous conversation just because u give everything a chance does not mean that you are diverse in what you like...[/QUOTE]

haha you said "do their own parts" :naughty:

[QUOTE=Kickflip_Burrito]Rob is a quality bassist, I can't wait to see what he does with Metallica.

Here's a question, out of Trujillo and Burton, who is better?[/QUOTE]

i dont think you can really compare them. burton was an extremely good musician - as in he knew pretty much everything there is to know about music theory, and how it works. I think i would have to say that rob is a better bassist, however cliff got cut short in the beginning of his career.

we miss you man.
*why the **** isnt their a "sad-faced" smiley?*

[QUOTE=Iceman-rocker]
we miss you man.
*why the **** isnt their a "sad-faced" smiley?*[/QUOTE]
You mean like :( or :upset: ?

[QUOTE=Med57] Selling millions of records doesn't necessarily make you good at all...some of the biggest selling artists of the last 5 years have been some of the least original, middle of the road music imaginable, but they sell millions of albums for precisely that reason; there's no edge to them, meaning that they're palatable to the general public. Never underestimate how diverse the musical tastes of this forum is compared to just about everywhere else. Please note, I'm not saying Metallica aren't good (I actually quite like them), but just that selling millions of albums doesn't necessarily mean that you're good. About playing instruments better, I really disagree with what you said. Taking Lars Ulrich, the drummer for SOAD could blow him away now, even though when Ulrich was at his best he might not have been able to. Every member of Zeppelin, particuarly JPJ and Bonham was more talented at their instrument than every member of Metallica. I'm not saying there's anything shameful in that, as Zeppelin were a very talented band, but it's true...compared to a lot of metal bands, and a lot of music in general, Metallica aren't really that talented. They might make better music, which is completely subjective, but they're not as talented.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you, the number of cd's you sell doesn't really mean much. Honestly, Ashlee Simpson sucks and she's probably sold more cd's than some very talented metal bands. Led Zeppelin was a very talented band. I would agree with you with Bonham and JPJ > Ulrich and the 3 bassists, I don't know about guitar. Metallica is pretty talented, just not the most. And the reason that they are as famous as they are today is because their music is better (imo, of course)

Sup thread!!!
yea i agree with gocaps selling records doesnt mean your good ahlee simpson probablly sold like 100,000+ records the first 2 weeks her CD was out and she lip sank(sunk sanked?!?!) on SNL and the real bends that play instruments and sing and rock! dont get recognition because they're not "in" people have changed rap is in for now and we cant do nuthin about it. I got wwwwaaaayyyy off topic didnnt i well you know what i mean we all know any body can rap if they got the words but you cant just pick up a guitar and sing and play like james er kirk or any body with talent who can play.

AGGHHHHH rap pisses me off SOOOOO much ARGHHHHHHH!!!!

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Enough said

[QUOTE=lilmetallica]Sup thread!!!
yea i agree with gocaps selling records doesnt mean your good ahlee simpson probablly sold like 100,000+ records the first 2 weeks her CD was out and she lip sank(sunk sanked?!?!) on SNL and the real bends that play instruments and sing and rock! dont get recognition because they're not "in" people have changed rap is in for now and we cant do nuthin about it. I got wwwwaaaayyyy off topic didnnt i well you know what i mean we all know any body can rap if they got the words but you cant just pick up a guitar and sing and play like james er kirk or any body with talent who can play.

AGGHHHHH rap pisses me off SOOOOO much ARGHHHHHHH!!!![/QUOTE]
No.
Hating Ashlee Simpson won't do anything, try hating her fans for buying her recrds or the record companies for producing her.
Alot of R&M acts don't get mass recognition becuase they don't appeal to a very wide range of people. As simple as.
Not anybody can rap. And In rap, as with most genres, there are amazing underground artists who get little recognition compared to the rubbish that pollutes the mainstream. Do not make such awful generalisations about entire genres.

[QUOTE=lilmetallica]Sup thread!!!
yea i agree with gocaps selling records doesnt mean your good ahlee simpson probablly sold like 100,000+ records the first 2 weeks her CD was out and she lip sank(sunk sanked?!?!) on SNL and the real bends that play instruments and sing and rock! dont get recognition because they're not "in" people have changed rap is in for now and we cant do nuthin about it. I got wwwwaaaayyyy off topic didnnt i well you know what i mean we all know any body can rap if they got the words but you cant just pick up a guitar and sing and play like james er kirk or any body with talent who can play.

AGGHHHHH rap pisses me off SOOOOO much ARGHHHHHHH!!!![/QUOTE]
That's pretty much what I said, without the mindless bashing.
Of course Rap takes talent, maybe it just doesn't appeal to you.

Hve they ever played leper messiah live, or orion, or the frayed ends of sanity, or to live is to die in their entireity?

Leper Messiah was played a bunch of times live, I know that it was played at Rock in Rio this past year.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Leper Messiah was played a bunch of times live, I know that it was played at Rock in Rio this past year.[/QUOTE]


That would be cool to see, what about frayed ends of sanity, they started playing ti on live sh*t, but then they stopped and said that they got bored of it. It's my favorite song at the moment

John Dolmayan is a very good drummer. Waaaay better than lars. He's probably the best nu-metal drummer excluding Joey Jordison. Who knows, they're both good. But metallica is talented. Sure there are more technical band, but being a good musician also means you can make good tunes, and not just technical guitar riffs that sound crap. For example, dream theater are more technical than metallica, but they do not have as many good songs. Therefore imo, metallica are better musicians.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]John Dolmayan is a very good drummer. Waaaay better than lars. He's probably the best nu-metal drummer excluding Joey Jordison. Who knows, they're both good. But metallica is talented. Sure there are more technical band, but being a good musician also means you can make good tunes, and not just technical guitar riffs that sound crap. For example, dream theater are more technical than metallica, but they do not have as many good songs. Therefore imo, metallica are better musicians.[/QUOTE]

yeah metallica dont have the greatest musicians, but togheter they are the best band.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]John Dolmayan is a very good drummer. Waaaay better than lars. He's probably the best nu-metal drummer excluding Joey Jordison. Who knows, they're both good. But metallica is talented. Sure there are more technical band, but being a good musician also means you can make good tunes, and not just technical guitar riffs that sound crap. For example, dream theater are more technical than metallica, but they do not have as many good songs. Therefore imo, metallica are better musicians.[/QUOTE]
Don't slag a band you haven't listenned to.
Alot of people on these forums talk **** about Dream Theater, how Petrucci only wanks, just because they have listenned to one song where he does.
Don't base your opinion of a band on ONE or TWO songs of theirs you have heard, this is especially true for a progressive band, who have a different sound for the majority of their songs.

They also haven't been around for as long as Metallica, they haven't had the oppurtunity to write as much, but I can assure you, by the time Dream Theater have been around for the equivelant of Metallica, they will have as many, if not more good songs.

You really need to open your mind.

Name me 20 good songs from dream theater that are good. :thumb: I've listened to their whole cd at my friends house and it was pretty boring. Dream Theater are good, and sure they can play pretty much every metallica, maiden, etc. song, but the point is in making a great song. Not covering it. Imo all dream theater's work is all pure technicality. Nothing is exciting as much as maiden or metallica.

They have more then one album, and their sound isn't restricted to one album, you have to listen to them each individually to understand them.

Their album Images & Words is a musical masterpiece, everything about the album is amazing, I suggest you get this album, and listen to it.
Recommended songs: Pull Me Under, Another Day, Surrounded, Metropolis, Pt. 1: The Miracle and the Sleepe, Under A Glass Moon and Learning To Live.

Their album Scenes From a Memory is just amazing, why? Well, it tells a story, a concept album, that has some amazing music behind it.
Recommended songs: Overture 1928, Fatal Tragedy, Beyond This Life, Through Her Eyes and One Last Time.

Their album Train of Thought, might be right up your alley, this is where Dream Theater have broken into the Metal scene more, it is an approach on progressive metal, it is awesome.
Recommended songs: As I Am, Endless Sacrifice, Honour Thy Father, In The Name of God.

They are the only albums I have, but I have their song The Glass Prison, and it is up there with the best songs of metal, it has everything, amazing drums, bangable riffs (With some sweet solos), and beast bass.

Please, honestly listen to these albums, if not, at least the songs I recommended, these songs, in my opinion, are among the finest ever written, and truly showcase that Dream Theater isn't a band out to just show off.
I hope after listenning to these songs you will be able to form your own opinion on the band.

The only thing I can find that is bad about Dream Theater is their length, sometimes their music just goes for too long.

u know who cares which metal band is better, the point is that metal is the best music. music has gotten so bad these days that its not even funny. people who dont have to do really anything are selling millions of records. Munky_magik is right dont hate ashlee simpson or any pop band for that matter its not their fault that people are dumb enough to buy their album, i mean if u could make millions of dollars just lip syncing wouldnt u do it, at least most metal bands stay true to their fans and to music.

[QUOTE=madlyinangerwithu]u know who cares which metal band is better, the point is that metal is the best music. music has gotten so bad these days that its not even funny. people who dont have to do really anything are selling millions of records. Munky_magik is right dont hate ashlee simpson or any pop band for that matter its not their fault that people are dumb enough to buy their album, i mean if u could make millions of dollars just lip syncing wouldnt u do it, at least most metal bands stay true to their fans and to music.[/QUOTE]
I said the exact same thing to you yesterday.

Edit:I'm not saying Dream Theater is better, I'm simply trying to educate him, he's saying Dream Theater is a **** band, I'm trying to show him that they are not.

then i guess i have been humbled. that means your right. but anyways, ive never heard dream theater, do they have a place where u can listen to their music? im always on the look for a good band.

[QUOTE=madlyinangerwithu]then i guess i have been humbled. that means your right. but anyways, ive never heard dream theater, do they have a place where u can listen to their music? im always on the look for a good band.[/QUOTE]
Ummm.. Maybe Amazon music will have samples, I seriously hope you listen to Dream Theater, I believe you will enjoy them very much.

im sure i will, and i didnt mean to offend your taste in music i was simply saying that Metallica is a driving force in music. but i love almost all metal out their. Metallica just happens to be the band that i grew up with which makes me biased in my opinions as everyone says its all opinion

[QUOTE=Chu]I said the exact same thing to you yesterday.

Edit:I'm not saying Dream Theater is better, I'm simply trying to educate him, he's saying Dream Theater is a **** band, I'm trying to show him that they are not.[/QUOTE]

When did I say dream theater is a **** band? :confused:

I said they dont have as many good songs as metallica. That doesn't exactly mean they're ****.