[QUOTE=shadow_stalker]I don't mind it if the people have a proper reason, but most people i've talked to about it just say "they sold out", no matter what you say they will just keep saying "they sold out".[/QUOTE]
Its bull****. I love the Load eras, [b]because[/b] they are so different to the first 3 albums. I love every album...(Slightly less on St.Anger).

i Never got St anger so i dont know about it, but i think the 2 loads are good.

[QUOTE=trapped under ice]
Its bull****. I love the Load eras, [b]because[/b] they are so different to the first 3 albums. I love every album...(Slightly less on St.Anger).[/QUOTE]

It's not bullsh[font=verdana]i[/font]t, though. Whether you like the black album, Load, Reload, etc, or not, when they were underground heroes in the mid-80s, what few magazine interviews they gave insisted that they would never change their sound, would never have an image, would never make a video, etc. And then Justice rolled around, and they made a video, and so appeared on TV, and then they changed their sound, etc..

Is it any wonder many early days fans felt somewhat disgruntled by this?

But the metallica that made those promises wasnt the same Metallica that made the Justic album. After Cliff's death isnt it possible that their ideas and opinions could change, along with their musical influences? I mean, a huge part of their lives was taken away in an instant, and they admitted that they never mourned the deat hproperly. They just continued. Things wernt going to stay the same were they?

I think Metallica should drop everything that they are doing and make Justice part 2, with the same kind of sound/playing style and kepp the songs progressing throughout.

Like Lars said about how From lightning to justice the songs got longer and longer more intracet and more progressive. The songs like that were better.

[QUOTE=trapped_under_ice]But the metallica that made those promises wasnt the same Metallica that made the Justic album. After Cliff's death isnt it possible that their ideas and opinions could change, along with their musical influences? I mean, a huge part of their lives was taken away in an instant, and they admitted that they never mourned the deat hproperly. They just continued. Things wernt going to stay the same were they?[/QUOTE]

No. But the point is that they still changed :)

Lol, yeah, well the earlier fans could have been a little more sympathetic. A death isnt going to hurt just for a month or so...Especially when its a family member... There are long term effects.

[QUOTE=shadow_stalker]I think Metallica should drop everything that they are doing and make Justice part 2, with the same kind of sound/playing style and kepp the songs progressing throughout.

Like Lars said about how From lightning to justice the songs got longer and longer more intracet and more progressive. The songs like that were better.[/QUOTE]

Lars also couldn't duplicate many of those songs live worth a **** (lack of skill++), which is one of the major reasons that the band decided to go in a simpler direction in the first place. There are way better bands than Metallica at that sort of progressive thing now anyway...Metallica couldn't hope to be as innovative as some of the stuff out now if they did try to make Justice Part II.

[QUOTE=shadow_stalker]I think Metallica should drop everything that they are doing and make Justice part 2, with the same kind of sound/playing style and kepp the songs progressing throughout.

Like Lars said about how From lightning to justice the songs got longer and longer more intracet and more progressive. The songs like that were better.[/QUOTE]
And do you remember what happened when Lars said they were going back to the Kill 'em All era? St.Anger came out. :lol:

I dont think making another album in the same style is the way to go. Metallica was always changing (the majority for the better), and that is the way it needs to stay. They need to be Metallica now. Not the Metallica of a past Decade.

I think St. Anger was actually closer to their thrash days then anything they've released for a while, I might even be inclined to say it's more thrash then Black Album.

I didn't miss Kirk's solos, because frankly, on their recent albums they sucked *** anyway, the production wasn't the best yeah, but I'm not gonna lose good music over that. The songs dragged on for a bit too long, yeah but I don't mind how long a song is, the vocals weren't great, but we'll never have 80's Hetfield again, so I'm happy we got this at least, the riffs were still kick *** and I enjoyed the drums aswell. Overall it was an awesome album, closer to their thrash, and definately deserves another listen, if not a remaster done with better production so the people who doubt it can see how good this album really is.

There was a time i was highest poster in this thread.

Those were the days ..

[QUOTE=Chu]I think St. Anger was actually closer to their thrash days then anything they've released for a while, I might even be inclined to say it's more thrash then Black Album.

I didn't miss Kirk's solos, because frankly, on their recent albums they sucked *** anyway, the production wasn't the best yeah, but I'm not gonna lose good music over that. The songs dragged on for a bit too long, yeah but I don't mind how long a song is, the vocals weren't great, but we'll never have 80's Hetfield again, so I'm happy we got this at least, the riffs were still kick *** and I enjoyed the drums aswell. Overall it was an awesome album, closer to their thrash, and definately deserves another listen, if not a remaster done with better production so the people who doubt it can see how good this album really is.[/QUOTE]
Did you know James wrote and played most of the solos on the latest albums (Load onwards)? I really do miss Kirks solo-ing. James solos are still brilliant (dont get me wrong), but Kirk is a great solo-ist and his abilities arnt being shown. There was nothing wrong with the production. They have been using the same production techniques since the Black album. St.Anger however, lacked the texture that was part of the polished metallica albums. If you listen carefully to albums such as Load, which at first seemed to be simple riffs, you'll hear that there are atleast 3 other melodies and counter melodies working with the main melody. There was no such thing in St.Anger, so the simple riffs, remained simple and boring. Metallica's overblown tone wasnt going to carry everything. I still do like St.Anger though. Its still a good album..I just feel it could have been better.

It could have definately been better. But considering the circumstances St. Anger was written under, I mean Bob Rock had alot to do with the [B]writing process[/B].

By production, I mean the drum sound, which I can't stand, but I like the drums.
And the tuning of guitar, they should have kept it standard :(

I'm very happy Metallica released this, I enjoy it alot.
And even if I'm the only one, I'd say it was worth it by Metallica.

Edit: In Some Kind if Monster at like the 7:00 mark where they're chanting something, I have two questions, what are the saying, and who is chanting?

[i]Ominous. I am in us[/i] ?

That sounds right, thanks :)

they're style changes every album,you guys have to realize that

Their* And yes. It does, Which is why I love them even more.
You're welcome Chu.

[QUOTE=Ripper22]Lars also couldn't duplicate many of those songs live worth a **** (lack of skill++), which is one of the major reasons that the band decided to go in a simpler direction in the first place. There are way better bands than Metallica at that sort of progressive thing now anyway...Metallica couldn't hope to be as innovative as some of the stuff out now if they did try to make Justice Part II.[/QUOTE]

The Seattle Live **** video actually sounded fine to me, for everything.

[QUOTE=Ripper22]Lars also couldn't duplicate many of those songs live worth a **** (lack of skill++), which is one of the major reasons that the band decided to go in a simpler direction in the first place. There are way better bands than Metallica at that sort of progressive thing now anyway...Metallica couldn't hope to be as innovative as some of the stuff out now if they did try to make Justice Part II.[/QUOTE]
lars can duplicate every song live,even dyers eve,and FFWF

Wrong.

Have any of you guys heard apocalyptica? If you have tell me what you think, i personally think its fukin cool as shiit. my favorite part is when the violin does the solo for "one".

[QUOTE=Chu]I think St. Anger was actually closer to their thrash days then anything they've released for a while, I might even be inclined to say it's more thrash then Black Album.

I didn't miss Kirk's solos, because frankly, on their recent albums they sucked *** anyway, the production wasn't the best yeah, but I'm not gonna lose good music over that. The songs dragged on for a bit too long, yeah but I don't mind how long a song is, the vocals weren't great, but we'll never have 80's Hetfield again, so I'm happy we got this at least, the riffs were still kick *** and I enjoyed the drums aswell. Overall it was an awesome album, closer to their thrash, and definately deserves another listen, if not a remaster done with better production so the people who doubt it can see how good this album really is.[/QUOTE]

123 i thought it was cool as well. i wouldve liked solos but i can do without them. Plus the riffs are fukin cool

[QUOTE=FlyingPaul_83]Have any of you guys heard apocalyptica? If you have tell me what you think, i personally think its fukin cool as shiit. my favorite part is when the violin does the solo for "one".[/QUOTE]

I'm intrigued, what kind of band are they?

Its 4 people on cellos, there no violin at all.

Thier not a band, there are a orchestra, they cover metallica songs

[QUOTE=Squiggle]Its 4 people on cellos, there no violin at all.[/QUOTE]


i thought the solos were done on a violin?

Nevermind squiggle is right . it just four chellos covering metallica songs. its cool i recommend it

yep, its very cool stuff.

They did pantera too, amongst others.

hey flyingpaul, there's an edit button. you're all over this page and there are double and triple posts everywhere

and yes, the four cellos tribute? it's four cellos.

sorry about that