[QUOTE=an_underused_memory]I think its handy that, if tool are GOD, then at least they have JC in the band already.
[/QUOTE]

Did that just come to you, or were you storing that for a while? :lol:

I've got no complaints with a Brit being the son of God Mk II

[QUOTE=Kage]Get Lateralus first.[/QUOTE]


in my opinion i think you would be better off getting Salival ( for the more fortunate ones who have it ), Lateralus,Ænima,Undertow,Opiate! dont get me wrong...all these CD's kick MAJOR @$$ but....if you want..hell get them all at the same time! haha! Maynard is awesome! I LOVE TOOL!!!!

Maynard gets all the credit 'cause his voice is most prominent in the well known songs and carries the melody line. It's little parts like disposition for guitar and the grudge for drums that let you see how virtuosic the band actually are. In many songs the rest of the band just support maynard and build/release tension around him...Although maynard may not do the most important job in the band, he is what most people listen to and follow. I actually havent got a clue how good justin is on bass and i couldn't name any of his lines. Is it just me or does anyone else not hear the bass in tool songs :confused:

[QUOTE=clearvision]Maynard gets all the credit 'cause his voice is most prominent in the well known songs and carries the melody line. It's little parts like disposition for guitar and the grudge for drums that let you see how virtuosic the band actually are. In many songs the rest of the band just support maynard and build/release tension around him...Although maynard may not do the most important job in the band, he is what most people listen to and follow. I actually havent got a clue how good justin is on bass and i couldn't name any of his lines. Is it just me or does anyone else not hear the bass in tool songs :confused:[/QUOTE]


The bass has become a more prominent part of tools music since justin came along. E.G. schism
Paul D'amour was far more low key within the bands infrastructure.

[QUOTE=clearvision]Maynard gets all the credit 'cause his voice is most prominent in the well known songs and carries the melody line. It's little parts like disposition for guitar and the grudge for drums that let you see how virtuosic the band actually are. In many songs the rest of the band just support maynard and build/release tension around him...Although maynard may not do the most important job in the band, he is what most people listen to and follow. I actually havent got a clue how good justin is on bass and i couldn't name any of his lines. Is it just me or does anyone else not hear the bass in tool songs :confused:[/QUOTE]

I often don't hear the basslines. On Undertow and Opiate, its hard to. But on Ænema and Lateralus its much moer noticeable. You just have to listen closely.

Tool is the Pink Floyd of our time. Atleast they have the potential to be so if they keep coming out with real good albums.

Favorite Tool songs:

1. H
2. Lateralus
3. Undertow/Jimmy
no specific order:
Eulogy
Aenima
Hooker with a *****
Stinkfist
Opiate
Parabola
Forty Six and Two
Schism

all tool songs are bada** but i'd have to say my favorite(s) are:
Disposition/reflection
Traid-however he does that intro solo, its amazing
Eulogy
Cold and Ugly

3 Fav Tool Songs
Hooker With a *****
Ticks and Leeches (Drums are so good)
Third Eye

I think the bass is somewhat prominent within Tool, especially given the fact that he often doesn't just follow the guitar. If you listen to him, he has some awesome lines and it melds so well within the drums and guitar.

[QUOTE=Kage]Not to be "one of those guys" but I really don't think APC questions belong in the Tool thread. I know many would argue, but, really, Tool and APC have nothing in common and are not the same in any way except that they share one band member.

Tool > APC[/QUOTE]

yeah but i just put that question in there because in the rules or whatever at the beginning of the forum it says put anything tool related in here including bands members of tool are/were in
so i thought id put it in here,
but yeah the bass is much more noticable in aenima and lateralus. but ive noticed that undertow has some noticable bass to (i dont know about opiate, i dont have it :upset: ) .but compared to aenima its not that noticable.
also, does anyone know what songs paul wrote and which songs justin wrote with the band on aenima?
because i dont notice any songs being any different from eachother and most bands who change a musician their music changes a little bit. but yeah i was just wondering. i couldnt really find anything on that. thanks

The basslines in A Perfect Circle are much more noticeable than in Tool imo.

[QUOTE=magicaltroll834]yeah but i just put that question in there because in the rules or whatever at the beginning of the forum it says put anything tool related in here including bands members of tool are/were in
so i thought id put it in here,
[/QUOTE]

Exactly.....this is a thread for anything Tool-related - and having a member of tool in your band makes it pretty **** Tool-related, don't you think? :)
APC is just the highest profile tool-relation, but zaum, peach, pigmy love circus, puscifier, and I'm sure someone could tell me others, are all valid for discussion here....

Maybe I feel I little sorry for you posters who only like Tool having questions re: other bands in the thread...
But i'm pretty sure there's many, like me, who love both APC n Tool....

To me, anything tool related has a certain sheen ...don't ask me what its a sheen of, but its a sheen of something!
Hence the discussion of tool related books, and so on...not about the music of tool, but still in the "tool family tree"

Some tool-related news: did anyone notice the interveiw with Neil Peart (Rush) about prog rock in Drum magazine recently? He talks about the bands that he thinks give hope to rock music and the three are:
Porcupine Tree (UK)
Tool
and
The Mars Volta

So there you go...I'm not a big rush fan, (though pearts a brilliant drummer!) however I think its great for tool to be acknowledged in that sense....

Re: all the bass talk ....
I agree with deadohio, I find the bass lines in APC (13th step mainly) very fat, they're often dubbed 3 or 4 times in different octaves or with diff FX, and it really suits their style...
I find in tool that often the bass is playing moving part, whilst the guitar plays repeated chords... the opposite to the norm in many bands ...its almost a funk influence, having lead rhythm/bass parts and static guitar.
But that style alternates frequently with the deep low end JC playing...

hi di oh, sorry to change the topic slightly, but what exactly is Zuam? (after all, all projects with Tool members are valid topics here) ive done alot of looking, but didnt find a whole lot, so if someone could enlighten me, that be cool, ok later

[QUOTE=x the patient x6]hi di oh, sorry to change the topic slightly, but what exactly is Zuam? (after all, all projects with Tool members are valid topics here) ive done alot of looking, but didnt find a whole lot, so if someone could enlighten me, that be cool, ok later[/QUOTE]

It's [I]Zaum[/I], not [I]Zuam[/I]. And it's one of Danny Carey's side projects. Other than that, I don't know much about it.

[QUOTE=an_underused_memory]Exactly.....this is a thread for anything Tool-related - and having a member of tool in your band makes it pretty **** Tool-related, don't you think? :)
APC is just the highest profile tool-relation, but zaum, peach, pigmy love circus, puscifier, and I'm sure someone could tell me others, are all valid for discussion here....

Maybe I feel I little sorry for you posters who only like Tool having questions re: other bands in the thread...
But i'm pretty sure there's many, like me, who love both APC n Tool....

To me, anything tool related has a certain sheen ...don't ask me what its a sheen of, but its a sheen of something!
Hence the discussion of tool related books, and so on...not about the music of tool, but still in the "tool family tree"

Some tool-related news: did anyone notice the interveiw with Neil Peart (Rush) about prog rock in Drum magazine recently? He talks about the bands that he thinks give hope to rock music and the three are:
Porcupine Tree (UK)
Tool
and
The Mars Volta

So there you go...I'm not a big rush fan, (though pearts a brilliant drummer!) however I think its great for tool to be acknowledged in that sense....[/QUOTE]



That's awesome(the bit about Neil Peart). Rush is an excellent band.

[QUOTE=an_underused_memory]

Some tool-related news: did anyone notice the interveiw with Neil Peart (Rush) about prog rock in Drum magazine recently? He talks about the bands that he thinks give hope to rock music and the three are:
Porcupine Tree (UK)
Tool
and
The Mars Volta

So there you go...I'm not a big rush fan, (though pearts a brilliant drummer!) however I think its great for tool to be acknowledged in that sense....[/QUOTE]

Two amazing bands and a UK band that even i haven't heard of. Good to see musicians who are paying attention to the world of music.

Just for my info (apart from clearvision, who has to be from the UK) is anyone else here from the UK?

[QUOTE=Reactor158]It's [I]Zaum[/I], not [I]Zuam[/I]. And it's one of Danny Carey's side projects. Other than that, I don't know much about it.[/QUOTE]

sorry, i suck at typing

[QUOTE=deadohiosky9]The basslines in A Perfect Circle are much more noticeable than in Tool imo.[/QUOTE]
i noticed that apc's guitarist doesnt really do power chords alot its almost all like soloish type stuff i mean yeah he does play power chords some of the time but you know how bands alot of the times have guitar and bass doing the same thing well in apc it doesnt seem to do that an awful lot as in other bands.
but i like that about them :thumb:

[QUOTE=magicaltroll834]i noticed that apc's guitarist doesnt really do power chords alot its almost all like soloish type stuff i mean yeah he does play power chords some of the time but you know how bands alot of the times have guitar and bass doing the same thing well in apc it doesnt seem to do that an awful lot as in other bands.
but i like that about them :thumb:[/QUOTE]

Ya Billy's style is definetly unique. Its awesome.

hahaha I made Tools link red in the Rules thread. Lets see how long it takes someone to gripe about it!

Blah, I hate APC talk in our Tool thread!!

Stagefrightken, I'm sure you've read the inaugral post of this thread that states it is for anything tool-elated, not just tool :P
Doesn't mean you have to like it, but since talk of APC is getting a bashing recently, I feel like sticking up for it!

AJisGOD, (and anyone else) def try n check out Porcupine Tree...they are absolutely nothing like tool or mars volta, the early stuff is just one guy is his bedromm and heavily electronic, (sounds great!) but for the drummers, the full band cds that start around '97 are good too.

Anyone else read the Bob Frissell book from the tool reading list?

I've been reading it and....mind blowing stuff....i'm being taught history by a shaman at the moment and coincides perfectly....this book is surely (partially) is the background to most of aenima...the bits that aren't Hicks related, anyway....

I'm a complete spiritual cynic, but this book still grabbed me, so highly recommended for all you who've resisted so far!

if anyone else has read it, let me know if you'd heard the philosophies in the book before reading it, and how you reacted, i'd be most interested...

[QUOTE=Reactor158]It's [I]Zaum[/I], not [I]Zuam[/I]. And it's one of Danny Carey's side projects. Other than that, I don't know much about it.[/QUOTE]

Zaum is a project for Carey that focused around his electronics, I think mostly improvised, large-scale works...
They only existed for a while in the down-time between aenima and lateralus, but DC has repeated said that he's looking forward to getting them (i think it was a trio) back together, perhaps to record a live album...

Since tool are currently finishing their next record and no doubt they'll tour as well, I can't see Zaum happening again for at least another 2 years....

Did anyone notice that APC has swelled its ranks to include most of the players who were ever there?? Danny and Paz were on the record, no doubt as session musos only, but nevertheless, I think that puts to rest the talk about APC being too volatile to stay in...

[QUOTE=x the patient x6]hi di oh, sorry to change the topic slightly, but what exactly is Zuam? (after all, all projects with Tool members are valid topics here) ive done alot of looking, but didnt find a whole lot, so if someone could enlighten me, that be cool, ok later[/QUOTE]

I have the 4 track demo album in .mp3 form. If you want it, hit me up on AIM @Theotedted.

Is anyone kinda worried about what Tool might be doing on the new album? I like when they're heavy, but they keep mentioning how they've been really influenced by Meshuggah alot lately, which kind of bothers me. Meshuggah has some interesting ideas, but their music is painful to listen to...I really just hate the whole industrial "I'm going to play one power chord note over and over again but do it to some weird syncopated rhythm" kind of approach. If anything, I'd rather hear more melody in Tool, not less (rather ironic, coming from a drummer!).

I'm intersted to see what they come out with. But yeah, I hope they don't **** it up. Make new material, but don't drift to far from the sound that everybody loves.

[QUOTE=Stagefrightken]hahaha I made Tools link red in the Rules thread. Lets see how long it takes someone to gripe about it![/QUOTE]

I should be bold and underlined too :angry:

Then again, the amount of people who will probably read the rules at any point....


As for how tool will sound, I cant imagine Adam taking the style of Meshuggah on board that much, it wouldn't suit him that well. If anything, he may be cranking up the ol' distortion a bit more and increasing his bpm, but the member who is probably going to have the biggest influence is Danny. I remeber he said once that he wasnt a big fan of double pedal work as he didnt have the stamina for it, so maybe now he will have worked on it more and we can expect it to be encorporated more into their songs.

This is all guess work of course, but I can only see influence being a minor adapting thing rather than a mass change of artistic direction

Tool related aye? Anyone hear that tapeworm is no longer gnna happen. I only found out about it after hearing passive off the new APC alb. I think it would have been a cool project. Anyone got any further info on this? or any mp3's you could gmail me?

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]If anything, I'd rather hear more melody in Tool, not less (rather ironic, coming from a drummer!).[/QUOTE]
I agree with this statement totally.

I'd also like to see the band mix up their tone. Adam and Justin seem to have the same tone on every song, and it gets really boring after a while.