I'm looking for a nice, jazzy ride (22 inch, preferably) and a quick 14 inch crash.

22 k ride is a good one

14" A fast Crash.

new cymbal
 

Alright, I've got sabian xs20 16" crash , 20" ride, then 14" hats, then AA 18" crash and hhx 14" crash. So whats next( thats a ride, splash, or crash ) im thinkin about a 8" splash. But im not too sure. And I don't need a china, so thats not what im looking for.

i would have gotten a bigger hhx. But replace the hats then the ride.

Xss already sound good so you have a pretty good set already.

First get all the basics at top of the line then start getting splashes and those kinds of things.

[QUOTE=Porkupine]I'm looking for a nice, jazzy ride (22 inch, preferably) and a quick 14 inch crash.[/QUOTE]
get the sabian artisan ride, those things are beautiful but they are hand made so you should try them out before you buy them.

A really nice 14 in crash is the k custom fast crash. It is the most perfect crash sound.

hi
i'm looking to upgrade my two old crashes with some new ones and aiming for a set thats fairly versatile. i play in a rock band but we play groovier not as full on type stuff aswell. and also playing for other people who arent rock or overly loud i cant really have a heavy cymbal thats too overbearing.
i am thinking along the lines of zildjian a medium thins 17',18' or maybe k custom dark crashes or AAX/HHX medium thins or even thins,though thin crashes i'm not sure about durability. my technique is fine enough not to break them i think,but i dont want to be scared of laying into them.
any help is much appreciated.
cheers
matt

[QUOTE=dedworx]hi
i'm looking to upgrade my two old crashes with some new ones and aiming for a set thats fairly versatile. i play in a rock band but we play groovier not as full on type stuff aswell. and also playing for other people who arent rock or overly loud i cant really have a heavy cymbal thats too overbearing.
i am thinking along the lines of zildjian a medium thins 17',18' or maybe k custom dark crashes or AAX/HHX medium thins or even thins,though thin crashes i'm not sure about durability. my technique is fine enough not to break them i think,but i dont want to be scared of laying into them.
any help is much appreciated.
cheers
matt[/QUOTE]



id look into AAX stage crash and AAXplosion crashes. also, from AA check out the medium crash and medium thin crashes. maybe like a 17 AAX stage crash with an 18 medium crash would do good.

K Customs are not versitile Cymbals, if you want a dark crash, keep out hte K dark crashes, or dark medium thins. Could also try some A crashes, perhaps the thins and medium thins.

[QUOTE=Porkupine]I'm looking for a nice, jazzy ride (22 inch, preferably) and a quick 14 inch crash.[/QUOTE]I would look at various HHX, K, and K Custom rides. They all have rides with dark sounds, articulate ping, and warm undertones. Perfect for jazz imo.

[QUOTE=poppinfresh]get the sabian artisan ride, those things are beautiful but they are hand made so you should try them out before you buy them.[/QUOTE]Artisans are on par with Paiste Signature rides in price from what I've seen though, which is pricy!

[QUOTE=dedworx]hi
i'm looking to upgrade my two old crashes with some new ones and aiming for a set thats fairly versatile. i play in a rock band but we play groovier not as full on type stuff aswell. and also playing for other people who arent rock or overly loud i cant really have a heavy cymbal thats too overbearing.[/QUOTE]I would get an A Medium Thin crash and a K Dark Crash Medium Thin. They contrast each other well, they are a versatile weight, and give you two distinct tones, one bright, one dark.

[QUOTE=DruMMeR_BoY14]No prob, have the new beats myself and I quite like them. My only complaint with mine are that they are brilliant, it just makes them too bright for what I want out of a pair of hats.[/QUOTE]Brilliant finishes make a cymbal sound darker, not brighter... not that the difference is even audible to the average person... New Beats are New Beats. If you find them too bright, it isn't because of a brilliant finish.

[QUOTE=DruMMeR_BoY14]K Customs are not versitile Cymbals, if you want a dark crash, keep out hte K dark crashes, or dark medium thins. Could also try some A crashes, perhaps the thins and medium thins.[/QUOTE]A crashes are bright. My A Medium Thin crash is bright as eff, and even the Thin crash is quite a way from being a medium tone. If you wanted a more medium tone I would go with A Customs, probably something like the A Custom regular or Fast crash, as those are thinner. I played an A Custom Fast crash for 2 years before I sold it, and it was relatively neutral tone, not too bright, not too dark.

alright, i wanna buy a couple things but these are the ones im still having issues with.
Zildjian A Series Sweet Ride or Sabian AA medium ride, i really like them both but havent pinpointed it yet..
with this next one it is more of a money issue... i was wondering how a Wuhan 18'' China compares to the Paiste 2002's and Sabian ProSonix in sound.
thanks for any help you can give.

the wuhans are gennerally darker. if you are on a budget, or like total trash, get the wuhans

as for the ride - that is the most discerning sound to anyone. both are quite versatile, with the AA Medium having a tad more definition. play both carefully, and see which you like more

myself, i'd take the Medium, as its a bit more balanced

well their aare also only 6 artisan rides made a day. And they sound incredible, nothing compares, definetly worth it IMO.

Hi I would like a second crash....
it has to be dark, 17"-19" and it should blend with my 16 bosphorus trad which I love... thx

19" HHX Studio Crash

Looking for a medium bright, aggeressive, shattering and powerful. I got two in mind. The Paiste 18" 2002 Power crash or 18" 2002 Rock crash. How does that sound and what would it compare to the other brands such as Sabian or Zildjian?

18" A Custom Medium. Is pretty much exactly what you're looking for.

^^^ yeah i seccond that. its a very nice crash

I was at Long & Mcquade today and I tried a 22" Z Custom Power ride. Worst ride sound I have EVER heard. I could play with 2000 watts of guitars and 4000 watts of bass and not need that ride to cut. It was pingy, but it really roared, like *really* roared. It had a massive buildup, the ping was still sharp, but the massive roar made me want to drop that 30 pound mofo. The bell sucked too, no projection like the bow had. Anyway, I was just surprised because I hear most people say on here "Z Customs suck aside from the rides", and up until now I had only had experience with the crashes. I also tried the 19" Thrash ride... reminded me why I love A's and K's. They don't sound like crap.

I also tried a large number of K crashes, and they really have some bite to them. I think I'll have to pick some up.

The regular Z Custom ride isnt so bad but they heavier rides are all clang.

I hate the whole Z custom line exept for the splashes. Hey I just realized that I'm pretty versatile with knowledge of cymbals I know alot about every brand(exept meinl)

On another note, I also tried Vault crashes and Artisan rides. I wasn't actually overly impressed with either. I don't overly like the Artisan ride's sound, but I guess I could try a few, I imagine there's quite a bit of difference model to model... and the Vault crashes are *way* too crisp for me. They have such a narrow range. Instead of the "PSSHHHH" I like in a crash, like an A Thin/Medium Thin or A Custom for instance, they sound a lot more like "TSSSS". I imagine they cut like a knife though. The K crashes I spent time playing today though... those were amazing. Such a dark, gritty cut. Reminds me of HHX but darker, and more bite, and I'm a huge HHX fan.

It's because the Vaults have silver in them.

And HHX's look cool too

Speaking of which, how's the effects pack (10 splash and 18 china)?
Or am i wasting my time since all HHX's rule?

[QUOTE=Plan B.]It's because the Vaults have silver in them.[/QUOTE]All pro Zildjian and Sabian cymbals have silver in them...B20 bronze is 80% copper, 20% tin, and traces of silver. Sabian just markets that you can "hear" the silver more in the Vault cymbals.

:lol:

^Agreed. I think it's a weird thing to market, but silvery is a cymbal term, and it does fit well with the Vaults description. Describing something as silvery and saying "You can hear the silver in it man!" sound completely different... one of which sounds retarded.

Rite, I need abit of advice.

In 3 weeks, i am going to Wembley Drum Center, and am plaing to getting these cymbals:
[U]Zildjian[/U]
15'' New Beat Hats
18'' A Custom Crash
19'' A Custom Crash
[u]Sabian[/u]
21'' HH Raw-bell Dry Ride
[u]UFIP[/u]
18'' Tigar China*

Now, i need a second option on a ride, just incase Wembley dosn't have it. So are 22'' A Custom rides any good(Im playing a gig 2 days after i go, so i will need to come away with a ride)? If it helps im after a ride that has little or no wash, with a strong ping, and a nice bell.
[SIZE="1"]*This is already on order, and will come in about 2/3 weeks[/SIZE]

if they dont have the HHraw bell id say have them order it and if not get a A ping ride
or AA rock ride. just my opinion though. if they dont have it though id really see if they could order it.

[QUOTE=forgottenDRUMMER]if they dont have the HHraw bell id say have them order it and if not get a A ping ride
or AA rock ride. just my opinion though. if they dont have it though id really see if they could order it.[/QUOTE]

Yer there is that, but they wont order it until after xmas though, and i need a ride for the gig (i can't play on my ZBT ride).

Personally I hate A Custom rides. The crashes and spashes are fantastic, the hats are good, the chinas are fine, but the rides... they just all suck imo. They are way too shimmery for my taste, have a good amount of buildup in most cases, and their ping is distinctly different from the ping of an A or K for instance... even the ping shimmers.

Hello everyone. I'm new to the forums and I thought I'd make my first post here. Intil I can make a thread. I've been playing for about a year with pretty old cymbals. (Can't even read the brand, heh:lol: ) And been thinking of getting new cymbals, as soon as I save up. I don't know much 'bout cymbals so I need your help. I like playing mostly rock and punk music and a bit of metal. I'm looking for cymbals with Medium-fast decay and last pretty long. Um...and at a good price. Help, please!

All pro cymbals should last a long time, so that shouldn't be a factor. Personally, I would look into Medium Thin weight A Zildjians and Sabian AAs for crashes, same series for hihats and ride, but probably medium heavy or heavy for the ride, and medium over heavy for the hats.

A nice setup would be something like... 14" A New Beats/Mastersounds, 17" A Medium crash, 18" A Medium Thin crash, 21" A Rock ride.

[QUOTE=playwithfire]All pro cymbals should last a long time, so that shouldn't be a factor. Personally, I would look into Medium Thin weight A Zildjians and Sabian AAs for crashes, same series for hihats and ride, but probably medium heavy or heavy for the ride, and medium over heavy for the hats.

A nice setup would be something like... 14" A New Beats/Mastersounds, 17" A Medium crash, 18" A Medium Thin crash, 21" A Rock ride.[/QUOTE]Okay thanks. Um Advice on any good splash cymbals and china's? I plan on getting those in the near future.

classic rock: 18" AAX Studio or HHX Studio?

already in my setup:
13" HHX grove hats
14" AAX Studio crash
16" HHX Stage crash
20" AAX Stage crash
21" HH raw bell dry ride
12" AAX Splash
12" 14" 16" 18" Wuhan china

I've already asked this before but now its narrowed down to these 2

HHX for sure you already have the big AAX Crash. HHX hands down

[QUOTE=Chris]Rite, I need abit of advice.

In 3 weeks, i am going to Wembley Drum Center, and am plaing to getting these cymbals:
[U]Zildjian[/U]
15'' New Beat Hats
18'' A Custom Crash
19'' A Custom Crash
[u]Sabian[/u]
21'' HH Raw-bell Dry Ride
[u]UFIP[/u]
18'' Tigar China*

Now, i need a second option on a ride, just incase Wembley dosn't have it. So are 22'' A Custom rides any good(Im playing a gig 2 days after i go, so i will need to come away with a ride)? If it helps im after a ride that has little or no wash, with a strong ping, and a nice bell.
[SIZE="1"]*This is already on order, and will come in about 2/3 weeks[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
I don't know how long you've been playing but a couple of weeks ago I was at the same stage but you need to realize that most of the cymbals beauty comes after the initial hit so overtones are extremely important. If you want a cymbal with lots of Ping and little overtones go with the Z customs. I'd get an A Ping Ride, I have it it has a good ping dry bell with great overtones

The A Ping has a great wash of overtones, I quite like them.

I played a gig last weekend and let the drummer in another band use my set. Hearing it from 10 metres away with guitars and bass as well, now thats a different story, almost all of the overtones were gone, only the stick definition could be heard.

If youa re concerend with what he crowd hears, its a good ride, if you are concerned with what your own ears are going ot be heraing, try perhaps an A rock ride or some form of Dry ride. Dunno about an Earth ride, I've heard that the overtones can be huge on them if you let them build up for long enough.

Z Customs, I'd reccomend against them unless youare 100% certain that its the sound you are after, or else you'll end up a ride only suited for one purpose, to be loud and heavy. So don't decide to start playing jazz after 2 weeks of getting one :)

I just got a drum set, and apparently it didn't come with a Ride Cymbal.

What's a good Ride Cymbal for a beginner?
I like to play jazz, latin, and rock. So, I'd also like it to have a good bell.

I appreciate it.

hahaha....your describing The Ed Shauggnessy Universal Ride right there!

[QUOTE=bobby__johnny]hahaha....your describing The Ed Shauggnessy Universal Ride right there![/QUOTE]
Thank you so much. I looked it up and it looks great. Please, have my babies. :naughty: