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Thor 04-07-2005 07:18 PM

Did anyone see Slipknot play on Conan a few weeks ago? What did you think about the performance? I thought it was pretty decent, considering that I am not a huge fan of "Before I Forget". I thought that it was one of the weaker songs on the album. Sid had a new skull mask, which looked a lot cooler than his other zombie/ghoul mask, IMO. Clown wasnt there, sadly. (I forget the reason why, can someone refresh my memory?). Overall, a good show from a good band.

Sleeper 04-07-2005 07:20 PM

I stayed up late for it :lol: It was a average performance, I wasnt expecting shawn not to be there untill i heard about his wife. It was funny when corey jumped off Shawns set and fell.

RapIsNOTmusic 04-07-2005 07:23 PM

Sorry- but i hate slipknot. im not here to bash anyone, i just want to honestly know why other people like them, beacuse i just dont really get them. a few of my friends like them, so i just wanted to know everyones opinions

Sleeper 04-07-2005 07:30 PM

[QUOTE=RapIsNOTmusic]Sorry- but i hate slipknot. im not here to bash anyone, i just want to honestly know why other people like them, beacuse i just dont really get them. a few of my friends like them, so i just wanted to know everyones opinions[/QUOTE]
I respect that, Slipknot has always been my favorite band. When they first came out, They were outrageous with the masks and the jump suites. They blend so many instruments, And its done very well. Like Shawn said in a interview in Welcome to our neighborhood, "its orchestrated madness".

TheSubtleArts 04-07-2005 08:11 PM

[QUOTE=Metal_Head_617]Did anyone see Slipknot play on Conan a few weeks ago? What did you think about the performance? I thought it was pretty decent, considering that I am not a huge fan of "Before I Forget". I thought that it was one of the weaker songs on the album. Sid had a new skull mask, which looked a lot cooler than his other zombie/ghoul mask, IMO. Clown wasnt there, sadly. (I forget the reason why, can someone refresh my memory?). Overall, a good show from a good band.[/QUOTE]

i thought it was probably thier best performance on a show like that. Shawn wasnt there because his wife was sick with Crohans(sp?) disease. he missed a few tour dates because of that too.

The JoZ 04-07-2005 08:12 PM

[QUOTE=RapIsNOTmusic]Sorry- but i hate slipknot. im not here to bash anyone, i just want to honestly know why other people like them, beacuse i just dont really get them. a few of my friends like them, so i just wanted to know everyones opinions[/QUOTE]

I never used to like them. My friends did, and I always thought it was just a bunch of noise.

Then Volume 3 came out, and I was quite surprised by how it sounded. Heavy, but controlled. It didn't just sound like a bunch of guys playing loudly and screaming meaninglessly.

I've gone backwards through the albums, and I can appreciate their older stuff too, although not every song.

Volume 3 was what turned me on to them.

Thor 04-07-2005 08:47 PM

[QUOTE=The JoZ]I never used to like them. My friends did, and I always thought it was just a bunch of noise.

Then Volume 3 came out, and I was quite surprised by how it sounded. Heavy, but controlled. It didn't just sound like a bunch of guys playing loudly and screaming meaninglessly.

I've gone backwards through the albums, and I can appreciate their older stuff too, although not every song.

Volume 3 was what turned me on to them.[/QUOTE]
I respect what you said. Last year I was one of those "hardcore" kids who thought that Volume 3 was a pile of total **** because it wasnt as heavy as their older material. Over time, I have expanded my tastes and have become more adept to differnt genres of music. I know understand why Slipknot changed their sound, because they wanted to sound more mature musically, which they accomplished with flying colors, if you ask me. I guess Volume 3 really isnt as bad as I always act like it is.

Huber 04-07-2005 11:58 PM

[QUOTE=RapIsNOTmusic]Sorry- but i hate slipknot. im not here to bash anyone, i just want to honestly know why other people like them, beacuse i just dont really get them. a few of my friends like them, so i just wanted to know everyones opinions[/QUOTE]

Because when I turned it on for the first time, I didn't turn it off.

I try and get into every branch of Rock/Metal that I can, because that way I never get bored of it because I have so much of it. Slipknot is and has been my favorite band for a long long time though. The sound just appealed to me.

Most people grow out of stuff like Slipknot if they go on to other things. I understand that, but I can't see myself doing that. I think if someone "grows out of a band" they can still turn it on and dig it. I listen to so many different things now, but I'm not scared to blast some 'Knot, because I still dig it. I'd rather keep liking something so I can have more music and never get bored.

Plus, they put on a hell of a show!

Huber 04-08-2005 12:02 AM

[QUOTE=Lord Brummington][url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showpost.php?p=7424639&postcount=24[/url]

Check out the link in that post.

This may have already been posted in here, but its worth being posted again.

This version of the song is better, if not weirder, than the album version.

Opinions?[/QUOTE]

I really liked the slow part at first, and not that new addition of the tribal percusionn-esque thing going on. Now I'm digging them both. Everytime I hear it, I put it on repeat for awhile. It's a great tune.

cooter666 04-08-2005 06:24 AM

could someone post the vid of joey doing that solo on the hydrolic lift.Btw the vid must be compatible with windows media player.thanks. :-)

snow day 04-08-2005 06:30 AM

I think that as musicians slipknot are very talented and i mean bloody talented

but as song writers they got some work to do as most of thier songs sound a tad repetitive in bits

but anyway in joeys hydrolic drum solo has anybody notices that he ****s it up near the middle and changes (messily) to a different beat lol

The JoZ 04-08-2005 06:43 AM

[QUOTE=snow day]I think that as musicians slipknot are very talented and i mean bloody talented

but as song writers they got some work to do as most of thier songs sound a tad repetitive in bits[/quote]

I think that definetly changed with Volume 3 though...some of the songs might be a little repetitive still, but the songwriting quality definetly went up...songs like Opium of the People, or Welcome or Vermilion, which I consider slightly progressive given the style of music they've been used to making...

Kaddus 04-08-2005 09:18 AM

Yeah but you know what sucked? When they were here in Australia for Big Day Out, they pretty much did exactly what they did in their DVD Disasterpieces. I was saying Corey's lines before he did and everyone was looking at me strange LOL.
But yeah I was so excited about seein them but then it was boring cuz I had seen it all before.

stone sour 04-09-2005 01:01 AM

5 more days untill i see slipknot.......... i would like to see shawn or paul devote his life to bass and make some shred like solos then have a rythm bassist and a lead bassist so every one can bust out a solo.they should make a song when jim then mick then paul and or shawn and joey get do do a solo. IMO this is cooler, 2 bassists>2 percussionists. would 2 bassists in a band work?????if so how?
and 1 last question at the concert will everyone be able to roam freely or are there designations(ie go to floor and stay at the floor)i have no idea what general admission means.

the sickness 04-09-2005 03:31 AM

[QUOTE=dementedbassist]did they come out with a video 4 b4 I forget?[/QUOTE]

yea they started filming it in LA on 7th april they should be finished by the end of the month....

\sits and twidles thumbs

King_Karl 04-09-2005 04:18 AM

Cool i'll be downloading that.

TheSubtleArts 04-09-2005 02:11 PM

the video will be released in June from what ive heard.

Thor 04-09-2005 03:42 PM

After they are done with making the video do you think they will enter the studio again and start making another album, or continue touring?

The JoZ 04-09-2005 03:45 PM

[QUOTE=stone sour]5 more days untill i see slipknot.......... i would like to see shawn or paul devote his life to bass and make some shred like solos then have a rythm bassist and a lead bassist so every one can bust out a solo.they should make a song when jim then mick then paul and or shawn and joey get do do a solo. IMO this is cooler, 2 bassists>2 percussionists. would 2 bassists in a band work?????if so how?
and 1 last question at the concert will everyone be able to roam freely or are there designations(ie go to floor and stay at the floor)i have no idea what general admission means.[/QUOTE]

If Paul just played more like he did on MFKR, I'd be thrilled.

Two bassists in Slipknot would not work.

Sleeper 04-09-2005 06:41 PM

[QUOTE=Metal_Head_617]After they are done with making the video do you think they will enter the studio again and start making another album, or continue touring?[/QUOTE]
After they are done touring, They planned on taking a break. But most members of slipknot are too exited to stop.

flamesofbodom 04-09-2005 06:43 PM

They are taking a break since they are considering breaking up. But i dont think they will, just be a while till new stuff and maybe new stone sour and murderdolls

Sleeper 04-09-2005 06:51 PM

I dont think they would break up after they released there best album they have done yet, I think your lost in the past.

The JoZ 04-09-2005 07:29 PM

[QUOTE=Remedy]I dont think they would break up after they released there best album they have done yet, I think your lost in the past.[/QUOTE]


Truth.

Before, they might've been uncertain about their future, but after the great success of Volume 3, they'd be stupid to stop now.

I hope they continue working with Rubin though, because I think he brought out alot of really great things in them for this album.

Sleeper 04-09-2005 07:41 PM

Rubin did a great job on the new album, Ross Robinson was also good.

The JoZ 04-09-2005 07:56 PM

[QUOTE=Remedy]Rubin did a great job on the new album, Ross Robinson was also good.[/QUOTE]

But I think Robinson's sound was far inferior to Rubin's.

Robinson was about distortion, and volume. Rubin was more about songwriting, IMO. Look at the complexity of the songs on Volume 3. They aren't, like, virtuoso complex or anything, but the multilayered sound actually means something on Volume 3.

The best example IMO is Vermilion. All 9 guys are actually adding to the music, rather than simply adding noise or volume to the music. The long outro is the best example of that...everyone (except maybe Sid) is doing something totally different. The percussion is used, like I think it was meant to be used, with Chris, Shawn, and Joey creating that wall of sound I think Shawn first envisioned. You have Jim and Paul, adding to the rhythm with their unison lines. You have Mick tremolo picking over all of that. You have Craig actually using his freaking keyboard here, adding to the ambience. I don't know what Sid is doing, because the other 7 guys are actually doing stuff...but he could very well be adding to it as well here.

It is this style of music that I think Slipknot was always meant to make, but were simply not allowed to, thanks to Ross.

Pre Volume 3 Slipknot could've been played with 5 guys. Volume 3 Slipknot requires all 9 to function.

Huber 04-09-2005 08:26 PM

Ross Robinson is a kick *** guy, but Rubin did a better job.

iloveronjons 04-09-2005 08:27 PM

does ne one have a link to Before I Forget??

Sleeper 04-09-2005 09:33 PM

[QUOTE=The JoZ]But I think Robinson's sound was far inferior to Rubin's.

Robinson was about distortion, and volume. Rubin was more about songwriting, IMO. Look at the complexity of the songs on Volume 3. They aren't, like, virtuoso complex or anything, but the multilayered sound actually means something on Volume 3.

The best example IMO is Vermilion. All 9 guys are actually adding to the music, rather than simply adding noise or volume to the music. The long outro is the best example of that...everyone (except maybe Sid) is doing something totally different. The percussion is used, like I think it was meant to be used, with Chris, Shawn, and Joey creating that wall of sound I think Shawn first envisioned. You have Jim and Paul, adding to the rhythm with their unison lines. You have Mick tremolo picking over all of that. You have Craig actually using his freaking keyboard here, adding to the ambience. I don't know what Sid is doing, because the other 7 guys are actually doing stuff...but he could very well be adding to it as well here.

It is this style of music that I think Slipknot was always meant to make, but were simply not allowed to, thanks to Ross.

Pre Volume 3 Slipknot could've been played with 5 guys. Volume 3 Slipknot requires all 9 to function.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, But do you think if Slipknot started with Rick Rubin in 1999. Would they have sounded more mature like they did on Volume 3?

The JoZ 04-09-2005 09:39 PM

[QUOTE=Remedy]Agreed, But do you think if Slipknot started with Rick Rubin in 1999. Would they have sounded more mature like they did on Volume 3?[/QUOTE]

That's really hard to say.

But imagine if Volume 3 was their first album, and they matured from there on.

I dare say, they could be one of the best around...

Sleeper 04-09-2005 09:43 PM

Yeh that would be amazing


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