[QUOTE=shane italian]I've never thought X'ing up was something that I agreed with.

That's like me plastering a republican tattoo on my forehead because it's something I believe in. (hypothetical scenario)

I'm not saying you're doing something wrong if you X up, but don't tell yourself you have more "heart" than the next guy for doing it.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying it's wrong to be edge and not x up at all.

[QUOTE=40 oz 2 freedom]Wait, so you judge a show on how many people X up? Are the ones that X up the only true hardcore fans/straight edge kids?[/QUOTE]

learn to read.

[QUOTE=Johnny Roddick]I'm happy whenever I see someone willing to wear it on their hand AND their heart.[/QUOTE]

So do non-Xers not wear it on their heart?

[QUOTE=Nataroo]learn to read.[/QUOTE]

Oh haha, good one. Read yourown statements. If even you didn't mean to say it, you basically said you judge shows on how many X'ed up kids there are.

no. you are a belligerent jackass, stop trying to start fights through your own misunderstanding.

[QUOTE=40 oz 2 freedom]So do non-Xers not wear it on their heart?[/QUOTE]
They do, hence I said people willing to wear it on their heart AND on their hand, meaning those two things are not necessarily inclusive. Somebody x'ing up who doesn't feel it inside is a lot worse than somebody who believes in it not x'ing up.

[QUOTE=Nataroo]its not a big focus for me, you take alot of what i say way more seriously than i mean it.

It was nice to see kids X up for the champion show in the same way its nice to see ducks when i walk past the lake. Straight edge was born in the hardcore community, and it will probably die with it.[/QUOTE]

there. jesus, that was like one page ago.

I decided not to get high today!

ha,true till tomorrow.

[QUOTE=Nataroo]no. you are a belligerent jackass, stop trying to start fights through your own misunderstanding.[/QUOTE]

How am I trying to start fights? I like Johnny Roddick, and I'm just having a conversation. Also, do you [I]really[/I] think I don't understand straight edge and the hardcore scene?

maybe, its just seemed pretty obvious what everyones saying. were all being pretty liberal, theres no douches pushing X UP OR SHUP UP in your face - you seem to be taking everything the wrong way.

ive just photoshopped this, gonna transfer it onto a shirt.

[IMG]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14877&stc=1[/IMG]

its gonna be sweet.

All he said was that X'ing up is bragging and it really is. It's like the fu'cking missionaries who think that their religion is the only right way. There's other lifestyles than straight edge and they are just as valid...

[QUOTE=Nataroo]ive just photoshopped this, gonna transfer it onto a shirt.

[IMG]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14877&stc=1[/IMG]

its gonna be sweet.[/QUOTE]

That's really nice.

[QUOTE=Nataroo]maybe, its just seemed pretty obvious what everyones saying. were all being pretty liberal, theres no douches pushing X UP OR SHUP UP in your face - you seem to be taking everything the wrong way.[/QUOTE]

It's just that most newer straight edge kids always seem so self-righteous, and a couple of things that were said sounded like it. No big deal.

as nice as this?

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/waterwingsend/bong.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=StrivingForChange]All he said was that X'ing up is bragging and it really is. It's like the fu'cking missionaries who think that their religion is the only right way. There's other lifestyles than straight edge and they are just as valid...[/QUOTE]

Thank you.

[QUOTE=shane italian]as nice as this?

[img]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/waterwingsend/bong.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]

I see melted plastic Shane, you gonna get sick! Invest in glass, it's worth it.

[QUOTE=40 oz 2 freedom]Thank you.[/QUOTE]

No problem man.

Shane, what stuff is in that dude?

[QUOTE=Nataroo]ive just photoshopped this, gonna transfer it onto a shirt.

[IMG]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=14877&stc=1[/IMG]

its gonna be sweet.[/QUOTE]
That's pretty **** cool.

[QUOTE=StrivingForChange]No problem man.

Shane, what stuff is in that dude?[/QUOTE]As in what's in the bowl or how did I make it?

[QUOTE=shane italian]As in what's in the bowl or how did I make it?[/QUOTE]

Yea man, how'd you make it? Well both actually...

Expression of identity is not the same as bragging.The extremely rare occasion I X up im saying 'I am this' not 'I am this, I am better than you', infact its not even that serious as 'i am this' more, 'hey Im edge btw, youre not hey? no beef. were all bros here, lets wheelbarrow'.

Of course it varies depending on the douchebag qualities of whoes hand it is, but Im not gonna start changing because some retard thinks the black ink on his hand is his right to stomp down some kids face.

Fair enough.

[QUOTE=Nataroo]Expression of identity is not the same as bragging.The extremely rare occasion I X up im saying 'I am this' not 'I am this, I am better than you', infact its not even that serious as 'i am this' more, 'hey Im edge btw, youre not hey? no beef. lets wheelbarrow'

Of course it varies depending on the douchebag qualities of whoes hand it is, but Im not gonna start changing because some retard thinks the black ink on his hand is his right to stomp down some kids face.[/QUOTE]

Here's the thing, expression of identity (beliefs) is one thing. But when you start bragging about your LIFESTYLE there's an enormous difference. People have no right to go around saying they live a certain way, however people do have a right to express beliefs of theirs and are open for change or debate.
They're two totally different concepts.

I don't want any of you guys to ever get upset when me, shane or anyone else talks about drinking, smoking, etc...

[QUOTE=StrivingForChange]Yea man, how'd you make it? Well both actually...[/QUOTE]Aquafina bottle, burn two holes in the bottle. Emtpy out a pen and wrap foil around one end in the form of a funnel for the bowl. Stick it in their and fill up to where the pen is sticking in the water. Light up and go.

And as for the weed in the bowl, we get some good stuff here in California.

[QUOTE=shane italian]Aquafina bottle, burn two holes in the bottle. Emtpy out a pen and wrap foil around one end in the form of a funnel for the bowl. Stick it in their and fill up to where the pen is sticking in the water. Light up and go.

And as for the weed in the bowl, we get some good stuff here in California.[/QUOTE]

Quite ingenius really... Cool stuff man.

That plastic is gonna make you sick, just buy like a 15-20 dollar glass pipe. Plus they're much easier to carry around.

what? Hardcore is my lifestyle, you gonna start ripping on me for wearing my champion hood?

[QUOTE=Nataroo]what? Hardcore is my lifestyle, you gonna start ripping on me for wearing my champion hood?[/QUOTE]

No. You're expressing you like the band Champion, and you are a hardcore fan.

Eh, I don't know where I'm going with this. Basically I just don't like straight edgers that brag about their 'edge' and only hang out with people who don't do drugs.

That's all.

I'm the beligerrant one? You know what he meant.

EDIT: To Nate

I really need money. And I'm working from 2 to 6. What's everyone else doing today?

[QUOTE=40 oz 2 freedom]I'm the beligerrant want? You know what he meant.[/QUOTE]

Thank you man.

[QUOTE=shane italian]I really need money. And I'm working from 2 to 6. What's everyone else doing today?[/QUOTE]

I'm off work, so I'm just going to relax today, listen to music and eat cookie crisp man.

Where do you work?

[QUOTE=40 oz 2 freedom]I don't want any of you guys to ever get upset when me, shane or anyone else talks about drinking, smoking, etc...[/QUOTE]

This is where the internet breaks down. Like all my friends drink/smoke etc, I rip on them, they rip me back. its all good fun.

Far as I can tell theres no hate-edge assholes on this board, but there seems to be alot of flack given to edge kids which is kinda uneeded. unless im taking it too seriously and being a dumb hypocrite.

Jamba Juice!

[QUOTE=StrivingForChange]. Basically I just don't like straight edgers that brag about their 'edge' and only hang out with people who don't do drugs.
.[/QUOTE]

like i said, is there even one of those people on this board?

I have no idea man, but I think we've made some sort of common ground, lets just stop.

[QUOTE=shane italian]Jamba Juice![/QUOTE]

Better than fast food. Burger King sucks and I work 30 hours a week.