[QUOTE=Badmoon]No, I was backing up a comment I said about Whites having a place in the Jazz world. Since the early years their have been White Jazz bands (Not the first Jazz bands, but none the less White Jazz Bands).

You are trying to serperate them (Ultimatley kind of making you racist), while I'm showing how each race plays a role in each other races genre.[/QUOTE]
How am I racist? Im protecting the African-American credit on Jazz.

[QUOTE=Schyma000]How am I racist? Im protecting the African-American credit on Jazz.[/QUOTE]
Racism can be against white people too.

[QUOTE=Badmoon]It is said that Black plantations slaves invented the banjo.[/QUOTE]
An instrument similar to the banjo was played in African tribes, and white slave owners saw it, liked it, stole it, played it, then they all started a bluegrass band.

[QUOTE=jpjrulestheworld]An instrument similar to the banjo was played in African tribes, and white slave owners saw it, liked it, stole it, and played it. Then they all started a bluegrass band.[/QUOTE]
Yeah that's true,

I was showing you that complete credit can not go to one race.

But no...

OMg Badm00n es b3in s0 raCisT

As far as racism goes, you are trying not to be politically correct. Which is usually okay, and realilistic, but unfortunatley (On your part) each genre we are speaking of is politically correct. Not completely equal, but both Jazz and Country had large roles filled by both White and Black races.

[QUOTE=jpjrulestheworld]An instrument similar to the banjo was played in African tribes, and white slave owners saw it, liked it, stole it, played it, then they all started a bluegrass band.[/QUOTE]

And the point to this is?

Okay Both races played a role in the creation of both country and jazz (although I don't know much about the country side) Jazz originated from black slaves, it was based on creole rhythms but played on new adaptations of western instruments. The reason for new orleans being such a center for jazz (and blues) was because it was the largest colony of free blacks in north america. There are also many white Jazz artists (or jazz artists from "ofshoot" genres)although many came later because the popularity of jazz in the 20's and 30's did a great deal in apealing to blacks and whites (No elvis wasn't the first to do it).

[QUOTE=Badmoon]And the point to this is?[/QUOTE]
Hes elaborating on your general statement.

[QUOTE=Badmoon]And the point to this is?[/QUOTE]
Well, you said that it is said that Africans invented the banjo, and I was basically telling you that that was correct.

Who can name the person in my avatar? For rep

Coltrane

Give the rep to someone without stars though.

[QUOTE=Badmoon]Coltrane

Give the rep to someone without stars though.[/QUOTE]
:lol: within the same minute as he posted,
well done :lol:

Who here thinks Whites hijacked Blues I mean really?

[QUOTE=Badmoon]Coltrane
[/QUOTE]
:p

rep for anyone who can tell me who zutty singleton is.

[QUOTE=Schyma000]Who here thinks Whites hijacked Blues I mean really?[/QUOTE]
Nah man, music is music If you feel it you can be green for all I care.

They kind of did. They made it more hard rocky (blues rock) and then a ton of white guys started playing blues.

Like Healey

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[QUOTE=Badmoon]Coltrane

Give the rep to someone without stars though.[/QUOTE]
Good because I cant give you any more rep...spread.

You could say Blacks stole Folk from the Whites and made Blues. It would make sense. That was the only real music going around at the time.

*thinks of Eric Clapton strongly*

[QUOTE=Badmoon]You could say Blacks stole Folk from the Whites and made Blues. It would make sense. That was the only real music going around at the time.[/QUOTE]
Great point but nobody knows who spawned Folk.

This is kind of silly, neither group "stole" music from the other. I mean is a black playing blues/folk really any different from a white playing blues/folk. Can a genre belong to someone even? And if it does why should it be to a race, why not to anyone who can feel it?

Well because white people are like African-American's popular little brother in which big bro comes up with something brilliant and little bro comes out to everyone and claims its his idea.

[QUOTE=Schyma000]Great point but nobody knows who spawned Folk.[/QUOTE]

Well, this is the common and most likely correct belief. Folk devolped in the Appalachian Mountains. Which is exactly where the Scottish and Irish settle many years ago. That is why American Roots and Scottish/Irish Roots are musically very similar.

[QUOTE=Schyma000]Well because white people are like African-American's popular little brother in which big bro comes up with something brilliant and little bro comes out to everyone and claims its his idea.[/QUOTE]
It's pretty widely accepted that jazz and blues were invented by the blacks and played an absolutely enormous role in western music as we know it though.

[QUOTE=Schyma000]Well because white people are like African-American's popular little brother in which big bro comes up with something brilliant and little bro comes out to everyone and claims its his idea.[/QUOTE]

Though I do not like to say other races stole music and such, Black music usually goes back to one place, White music. Whites provided most the instruments the Blacks used to create Blues, their early style, and their reasoning for the Blues (most importantly). Which would of course turned into Jazz later on.

If you put it that way, the White race is the older more unappreciated brother. While the Blacks are the less original little brother who everyone always trusts and believes.

It is all about how you look at it.

[QUOTE=Badmoon]Though I do not like to say other races stole music and such, Black music usually goes back to one place, White music. Whites provided most the instruments the Blacks used to create Blues, their early style, and their reasoning for the Blues (most importantly). Which would of course turned into Jazz later on.

If you put it that way, the White race is the older more unappreciated brother. While the Blacks are the less original little brother who everyone always trusts and believes.

It is all about how you look at it.[/QUOTE]
True and lets leave it at that.

So whats everyone's favorite Jazz musician?

Mine is of corse Coltrane.

[QUOTE=Badmoon]Though I do not like to say other races stole music and such, Black music usually goes back to one place, White music. Whites provided most the instruments the Blacks used to create Blues, their early style, and their reasoning for the Blues (most importantly). Which would of course turned into Jazz later on.

If you put it that way, the White race is the older more unappreciated brother. While the Blacks are the less original little brother who everyone always trusts and believes.

It is all about how you look at it.[/QUOTE]
I think it should be agreed that if you are to look at it by race both races are of large influence. Blacks used creole rhythms to create the music but used western instruments, and did incorporate western musical ideas. By the same folk music was a western based music but the banjo for example was originally a black instrument.

Really the new mixture of races played a humongous part in the development of modern western music but other than that it's somewhat silly to make it about race.

:)

It's hard for me to choose a strait up Jazz artist as my favorite. Since Bela Fleck and David Grisman can not be counted as strait up Jazz, it is of course really hard for me.

So I guess Coltrane also.

EDIT: Not Coltrane, definitley Wes Montgomery. :D

does it have to be straight up jazz though?

No but yes.

Wes Montgomery = Good choice

The Byrds own.

/of topic

Thelonius monk, Louis Armstrong

Louis Armstrong is awesome.

"Mack the Knife" > all


The Byrds > The Yardbirds

[QUOTE=Badmoon]The Byrds own.

/of topic[/QUOTE]
The Byrds infact do own and I wish I had more than just them covering Dylan. I need [I]5th Demention[/I] and [I]Mr. Tambourine Man[/I].

Do you have [I]Sweetheart of the Rodeo[/I]?

[QUOTE=Badmoon]Louis Armstrong is awesome.

"Mack the Knife" > all


The Byrds > The Yardbirds[/QUOTE]
Charlie Parker > all

You cant compare the The Byrds and The Yardbirds but I agree.

[QUOTE=Badmoon]Do you have [I]Sweetheart of the Rodeo[/I]?[/QUOTE]
No Just [I]The Byrds Play Dylan[/I] its kinda rare.

If you can't compare then you couldn't make a decision.

Yeah you can ;). I'm even starting to doubt that The Yardbirds technical ability was greater. Clarence White was an absolute machine. He died too young :(.

[QUOTE=Badmoon]Louis Armstrong is awesome.

"Mack the Knife" > all


The Byrds > The Yardbirds[/QUOTE]
His rendition of Mack the knife is my favourite, but I always find it harder to find then others' renditions.