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fatbandit 11-13-2011 12:32 PM

Guys.

I was just doing the washing up. We don't have a dishwasher.

What is the point in washing up bowls? :S

Convectuoso 11-13-2011 10:26 PM

[quote=gaslight;18706043]I'm tempted to get a John Mayer signature strat, not the custom shop one just the factory one. I have two Fender basses I want to buy though as well and an Ibanez 5 string wouldn't go amiss. Two Aguilar cabs coming my way soon too so I'm not sure how I'm going to prioritise.[/quote]
If I had half as good a tone as that guy I would be happy as punch. I should see what amps he uses live, all of the stuff I've heard him do with a strat sound fucking amazing.

If I was even 1/4 good as he is at guitar then maybe I could justify buying Les Paul's. :lol:

FunkMetalBass 11-14-2011 07:02 AM

[quote=Convectuoso;18706847]If I had half as good a tone as that guy I would be happy as punch. I should see what amps he uses live, all of the stuff I've heard him do with a strat sound fucking amazing.

If I was even 1/4 good as he is at guitar then maybe I could justify buying Les Paul's. :lol:[/quote]

Two Rock amps, dudesy.

gaslight 11-14-2011 07:19 AM

I never want to own a Les Paul. The only Gibson bass I'd consider owning is a Thunderbird for laughs.

BenJammin 11-14-2011 12:08 PM

I'd buy an old Gibson Ripper if I found one for the right price.

FunkMetalBass 11-14-2011 01:48 PM

[quote=gaslight;18707158]I never want to own a Les Paul. The only Gibson bass I'd consider owning is a Thunderbird for laughs.[/quote]

Same here, although I'd probably get a custom 6-string T-bird that doesn't have neckdive before I ever bought a bass from Gibson.


[quote=BenJammin;18707332]I'd buy an old Gibson Ripper if I found one for the right price.[/quote]

Old School Mike Dirnt tone ftw.

Convectuoso 11-14-2011 07:54 PM

[quote=FunkMetalBass;18706080]The tele has a longer scale length. So combine added string tension with a single coil bridge pickup (as opposed to a parallel humbucker), and you're going to get a much brighter, open tone. The LP is good for darker sounds, which is why many rhythm guitarists tend to use it, but I've never cared for the LP for lead work.[/quote]
Joe, how are you not a gainfully employed guitar tech?

gaslight 11-14-2011 08:03 PM

Also the Thunderbird costs like $4000 if I remember correctly.

Wait, I'm wrong, it's only $1800ish.

Really annoys me when expensive basses don't have 24 frets.

FunkMetalBass 11-14-2011 09:17 PM

[quote=Convectuoso;18707938]Joe, how are you not a gainfully employed guitar tech?[/quote]

:lol: It's just a hobby - I like setting up instruments for newbies so that they feel less frustration from the get-go. I thought about trying to apprentice under my old tech (dude was a brilliant electrician), but then he decided to leave the shop and quit doing setups.

I have been using my physics and math knowledge to come up with some interesting ideas, though. For example, say you play a lot of natural harmonics. You can tell me which harmonics you want optimized and I can calculate the optimal pickup placement to pick up those harmonics. I probably need to adapt my technique to a logarithmic scale and frequency bias, but it's still a cool idea nonetheless.

[quote=gaslight;18707953]Also the Thunderbird costs like $4000 if I remember correctly.

Wait, I'm wrong, it's only $1800ish.

Really annoys me when expensive basses don't have 24 frets.[/quote]

Let's be honest, if you play a T-Bird, you'll probably never venture past the 7th fret.

Convectuoso 11-15-2011 02:55 AM

[quote=FunkMetalBass;18708072]:lol: It's just a hobby - I like setting up instruments for newbies so that they feel less frustration from the get-go. I thought about trying to apprentice under my old tech (dude was a brilliant electrician), but then he decided to leave the shop and quit doing setups.

I have been using my physics and math knowledge to come up with some interesting ideas, though. For example, say you play a lot of natural harmonics. You can tell me which harmonics you want optimized and I can calculate the optimal pickup placement to pick up those harmonics. I probably need to adapt my technique to a logarithmic scale and frequency bias, but it's still a cool idea nonetheless.[/QUOTE]
This reminds me, I had this weird as experience on my Tele and my Bogner Alchemist where on the neck pick only, the natural harmonics just disappeared. Like literally did not exist. Switched to neck and bridge blend and to bridge only and they came back when I played them. Can you explain this to me?

[QUOTE]Let's be honest, if you play a T-Bird, you'll probably never venture past the 7th fret.[/quote]
You could have 1 octave on 1 string on a T-Bird and even then you'd feel overwhelmed.

Convectuoso 11-15-2011 02:57 AM

Hey guys, what's up with this American Special series?

the White Tele with black pickup guard is the secks. From my little bit of research it seems like just a normal american standard but cheaper as to avoid a lawsuit from bumping up their prices up a while ago. The Tele lists NZD 1800 (1000-1200USD) and that's like half the price of a "real" American Fender. Should I be dropping it likes it hot on a Tele in this series?

FunkMetalBass 11-15-2011 10:07 AM

[quote=Convectuoso;18708419]This reminds me, I had this weird as experience on my Tele and my Bogner Alchemist where on the neck pick only, the natural harmonics just disappeared. Like literally did not exist. Switched to neck and bridge blend and to bridge only and they came back when I played them. Can you explain this to me?


You could have 1 octave on 1 string on a T-Bird and even then you'd feel overwhelmed.[/quote]


So, your harmonics are nonexistent with the neck pickup, but come through when the bridge pickup is involved? That's totally expected because the neck pickup probably has fairly a narrow aperture and lies under harmonic nodes (specifically, right under where the 24th fret is, and so when you play the 5th fret harmonic, there is no vibration above the 5th, 12th, or 24th frets).

If you're playing them correctly, the harmonics will always be there on the string, but the pickup may just be in a poor place to sense them.

FunkMetalBass 11-15-2011 10:12 AM

[quote=Convectuoso;18708421]Hey guys, what's up with this American Special series?

the White Tele with black pickup guard is the secks. From my little bit of research it seems like just a normal american standard but cheaper as to avoid a lawsuit from bumping up their prices up a while ago. The Tele lists NZD 1800 (1000-1200USD) and that's like half the price of a "real" American Fender. Should I be dropping it likes it hot on a Tele in this series?[/quote]

I'd probably go for a G&L Tele, personally. I've heard on many occasions that G&L is Leo's best work, but it lacks the popularity of Fender, so the prices, especially on the used market, are always lower for comparable models.

Convectuoso 11-15-2011 02:00 PM

[quote=FunkMetalBass;18708562]So, your harmonics are nonexistent with the neck pickup, but come through when the bridge pickup is involved? [B]***yes***[/B]

If you're playing them correctly, the harmonics will always be there on the string, but the pickup may just be in a poor place to sense them. [B]***I believe so, like they are "there, but not audible enough to consider worth doing harmonics on that pickup***[/B][/quote]
The funny thing is, I've never actually noticed this before, like it's a new thing. I guess I just haven't ever played harmonics on that guitar on that pickup through an amp.

RE: Telecaster. But these American Specials are waaay cheaper than the G&L's brand new, and I kind of want to buy my next guitar brand new, brought my last two second hand and for a few reasons I'd like buy a brand new one that I can keep for life.

FunkMetalBass 11-15-2011 05:56 PM

[quote=Convectuoso;18708816]The funny thing is, I've never actually noticed this before, like it's a new thing. I guess I just haven't ever played harmonics on that guitar on that pickup through an amp.

RE: Telecaster. But these American Specials are waaay cheaper than the G&L's brand new, and I kind of want to buy my next guitar brand new, brought my last two second hand and for a few reasons I'd like buy a brand new one that I can keep for life.[/quote]

Are they? I just went off the prices you posted, and the G&L's are cheaper. But, I didn't consider the fact that things are going to be 740615607498421056 times more expensive on that side of the pond. I shoulda did my research.

BenJammin 11-15-2011 06:23 PM

Anyone know anything about old MusicMan guitar amps?

gaslight 11-15-2011 09:48 PM

[QUOTE=FunkMetalBass;18708072]Let's be honest, if you play a T-Bird, you'll probably never venture past the 7th fret.[/QUOTE]

It's true, I bought a P Bass and psychologically it is coaching me not to go up to those frets anymore. It's annoying not having them but I can still have my Ibanez basses for that kind of thing.

Ever since my favourite bass broke, I've gotten more into the idea of just having a lot of different basses for different reasons.

It's like when you've been with the same girl for ages, then you're single, and it's like well, I'll just have everything on the menu.

FunkMetalBass 11-16-2011 09:03 AM

[quote=gaslight;18709407]It's true, I bought a P Bass and psychologically it is coaching me not to go up to those frets anymore. It's annoying not having them but I can still have my Ibanez basses for that kind of thing.

Ever since my favourite bass broke, I've gotten more into the idea of just having a lot of different basses for different reasons.

It's like when you've been with the same girl for ages, then you're single, and it's like well, I'll just have everything on the menu.[/quote]

How did your bass break? If I were anywhere near you, I'd come fix it.

Convectuoso 11-16-2011 01:20 PM

[quote=gaslight;18709407]It's like when you've been with the same girl for ages, then you're single, and it's like well, I'll just have everything on the menu.[/quote]
This is true if you are socially capable of pulling more than one girl within a short time period.

Of which I am not and prefer the comfort of boobies on tap. :lol:

Convectuoso 11-16-2011 01:26 PM

Guy's I just bought an upright (piano) off Trademe.

Guess how much I paid for it?

FunkMetalBass 11-16-2011 01:40 PM

[quote=Convectuoso;18709880]This is true if you are socially capable of pulling more than one girl within a short time period.

Of which I am not and prefer the comfort of boobies on tap. :lol:[/quote]

Screw short time periods - just do it all at the same time like I do. It's way more efficient.

Also, boobies on tap. I like that too. Probably my favorite part about this relationship.

FunkMetalBass 11-16-2011 01:46 PM

[quote=BenJammin;18709241]Anyone know anything about old MusicMan guitar amps?[/quote]

I haven't found much on them, just this site: [url]http://www.musicmanamps.com/[/url]. Then there's this guy, who is quite obviously a fan: [url]http://theonesthatgotaway.blogspot.com/2008/06/music-man-112-rd-one-hundred-amp.html[/url]

Other than that, I didn't even know MusicMan made amps.

BenJammin 11-16-2011 02:02 PM

My roommate found one in a pawnshop close by for $350. He's trying to decide if it's worth it.

FunkMetalBass 11-16-2011 02:16 PM

[quote=BenJammin;18709962]My roommate found one in a pawnshop close by for $350. He's trying to decide if it's worth it.[/quote]

If he likes how it sounds/looks/feels, then $350 is a reasonable price for a good guitar amp. If he's looking to buy it and flip it for profit, I doubt the rarity factors in as much as something like an old Ampeg, Sunn, or Fender amp.

According to what little I've read, they seem to be like Peavey Amps - tough as nails and long-lasting, so it might be a good investment if he plans to gig with it.

Convectuoso 11-16-2011 02:30 PM

Ask him if it's tube or solid state. If it's not tube, don't get it. Sorry but Solid State guitar amps are just pointless. Yeah maybe for bass it'll pass, but for guitars you need to go tube or go home.

And this isn't just about it being tube or solid state as a preference, $350 for a 20 year old solid state amp is pointless. You can walk into a shop and get a SS amp for that much brand new.

BenJammin 11-16-2011 02:42 PM

Yeah, he's just looking for a second amp so that our other guitar player doesn't have to haul her rig to practice. We just took a look at it, so I'm not sure if it's tube or SS. He definitely wouldn't buy it if it was SS, lol.

He's rocking a Peavey Delta Blues 115 right now and that is an awesome little amp.

FunkMetalBass 11-16-2011 02:50 PM

[quote=Convectuoso;18710032]Ask him if it's tube or solid state. If it's not tube, don't get it. Sorry but Solid State guitar amps are just pointless. Yeah maybe for bass it'll pass, but for guitars you need to go tube or go home.

And this isn't just about it being tube or solid state as a preference, $350 for a 20 year old solid state amp is pointless. You can walk into a shop and get a SS amp for that much brand new.[/quote]

What are your opinions about tube preamps through SS amps? Still a no-go?

Convectuoso 11-16-2011 03:52 PM

[quote=FunkMetalBass;18710055]What are your opinions about tube preamps through SS amps? Still a no-go?[/quote]
For bass yes/maybe, for guitars still no. It just doesn't saturate the same way. I mean you can still get harsh tube amps if you don't use them right and/or use a crappy guitar. But SS amps are just so cold and sterile. They barely pass for cleans and are a no go for overdriven sounds unless they're like a modelling amp. And even then they still sound horrible. But really, with tube amps, even your clean sounds are always slightly saturating, just not usually in a overdrive/distorty way, more of a compressing, rounding off the edges sort of way.

Don't get me started on Valvestates **facepalm**. Horrible amps.

I just think buying cheap equipment isn't directly related to how much confidence you have in yourself. Make your sound apart of your being and care about every little nuance of it. So what you might have to work a few extra shifts and forgo an expensive car, but you will have a sound you are proud of and will be excited about every time you plug in. I just get so uninspired playing shitty gear. It's not about sounding or playing better, it's about feeling better and not being bogged down by shitty tones.

roee_co 11-16-2011 05:25 PM

haven't been here in a long time..
but i have a new song i finally got back recording
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=178887
"Winter"

FunkMetalBass 11-16-2011 06:28 PM

[quote=Convectuoso;18710149]For bass yes/maybe, for guitars still no. It just doesn't saturate the same way. I mean you can still get harsh tube amps if you don't use them right and/or use a crappy guitar. But SS amps are just so cold and sterile. They barely pass for cleans and are a no go for overdriven sounds unless they're like a modelling amp. And even then they still sound horrible. But really, with tube amps, even your clean sounds are always slightly saturating, just not usually in a overdrive/distorty way, more of a compressing, rounding off the edges sort of way.

Don't get me started on Valvestates **facepalm**. Horrible amps.

I just think buying cheap equipment isn't directly related to how much confidence you have in yourself. Make your sound apart of your being and care about every little nuance of it. So what you might have to work a few extra shifts and forgo an expensive car, but you will have a sound you are proud of and will be excited about every time you plug in. I just get so uninspired playing shitty gear. It's not about sounding or playing better, it's about feeling better and not being bogged down by shitty tones.[/quote]

Ah, okay. I was just curious. I'm thinking about buying a tube preamp for my rig to use it for vintagey warm tones and it got me thinking about tube pres for guitar as a nice compromise (and a significantly lighter option).


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