I call 'em as I see 'em

Beatles>all.....except maybe Christopher Franke.

i always get kind of bugged when some of my mellow friends who listen to indie and bob dyln type stuff try to tell that the beattles created rock n roll....same people who say that the doors are rock band...

I am not into thrash death metal or 7 string bass guitar crap but still:

the heart of rock is distortion!....am i to assume that by definition led zepplin was the first rock band?

I would say that rock came from a mix of country n Blues (most 70s guitar riffs are blues based)....

during the time of the beatles: Page, Clapton, hendrix and jeff beck were trying to find that rock sound (most of them with 'the yard birds') the band eventaully split and 'the other yardbirds' became led zepplin...Hendrix found that rock tone...Clatpton eventially found it...

I guess wat im tryin to say is:

Rock found its roots in guitarists trying to bring blues riffs into counrty/RnB...

Rock started officially in 1969 anything pre was the root of POP.....

[QUOTE=Badmoon]Maybe you're forgetting something. For you information: The Grateful Dead will be, and are, the greatest band in the world's history!

Dead > Beatles

Dead > Stones

Dead > Zeppelin

Dead > Who

Dead > Doors

Dead > All of um

:angry:[/QUOTE]
No. The Grateful Dead are good, but all of those bands are better than them.

Actually screw it, Its all a matter of opinion anyway, and I probably don't listen to enough Dead to back that up.


Album/song recommendations?

American Beauty or Working Man's Dead are usually considered their best. I like Working Man's Dead a lot better.

[QUOTE=Badmoon]Maybe you're forgetting something. For you information: The Grateful Dead will be, and are, the greatest band in the world's history!

Dead > Beatles

Dead > Stones

Dead > Zeppelin

Dead > Who

Dead > Doors

Dead > All of um

:angry:[/QUOTE]
You're such a fanboy, Badmoon :lol:

Badmoon, what did you think of the Festival Express documentary?

[QUOTE=Badmoon]Maybe you're forgetting something. For you information: The Grateful Dead will be, and are, the greatest band in the world's history!

Dead > Beatles

Dead > Stones

Dead > Zeppelin

Dead > Who

Dead > Doors

Dead > All of um

:angry:[/QUOTE]

I think the dead were probably better musicians than the beatles, stones, and the who (except maybe moon), they (garcia?) were better songwriters than most of those guys except maybe lennon/mcartney. i think townshend was a great writer, but his guitar playing left something to be desired.
i think zeppelin was all around the best (skill,songwriting,live show), but im just a fanboy so its biased.

[QUOTE=KARMAPOL1CE]Badmoon, what did you think of the Festival Express documentary?[/QUOTE]

is that out on video/dvd yet? a girl from toronto recommended i go see it, but it never came to theatres in my city. it looked really cool from what i saw.

i started the psychadelic Bay Area section in my Rock and Roll book last night, it was mostly about Jefferson Airplane and Big Brother, i'm just getting to the Grateful Dead part, so i will have enough info to join your Grateful Dead clan Badmoon.

lets pray the_man_at_games or whatever his name was never comes back.

[QUOTE=KingEdward5150]
Rock started officially in 1969 anything pre was the root of POP.....[/QUOTE]

umm...k let me just think how im going to phrase this.

oh ok i got it: YOU ARE WRONG!

most would consider it excactly the opposite. many artists that were around in the sixties claimed that real rock ended when dylan and the beatles came about (early sixties). Jim Morrison started the mantra "Rock Is Dead" around the late sixties, because its true. real rock and roll wasn't around anymore, but the public accepted what they were now hearing as rock. I wouldn't consider Zeppelin real rock, they had just as many folk/blues/or even "pop" songs as they did rock songs. Grateful Dead couldn't really be considered true rock, neither could the Doors, or Sabbath or any '69 and on bands.

when i think of rock and roll, i think of Chuck Berry, Jerry Lee Lewis, Elvis Presley. Those guys are rock and roll. I'm not saying sixties and seventies music wasn't good, but you can't make the statement you did, without thinking of what Rock music really is.

edit- schools really boring today, sorry for making three long posts in a row.

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]is that out on video/dvd yet? a girl from toronto recommended i go see it, but it never came to theatres in my city. it looked really cool from what i saw.

i started the psychadelic Bay Area section in my Rock and Roll book last night, it was mostly about Jefferson Airplane and Big Brother, i'm just getting to the Grateful Dead part, so i will have enough info to join your Grateful Dead clan Badmoon.

lets pray the_man_at_games or whatever his name was never comes back.[/QUOTE]


Yea the DVD is out. Go buy it. Now! Make haste.

throw stones, but i never really got into the dead.

[QUOTE=KARMAPOL1CE]Yea the DVD is out. Go buy it. Now! Make haste.[/QUOTE]

i believe i will.


and Heatseeker, what do you mean by Throw Stones?

he means "flame" him.

Thats how it was before we discovered fire.

The Grateful Dead are meh to me. Say what you will, but they're just meh.

I Have become increasingly intrigued to check them out. I get my paycheck today so I ll probably get American Beauty.

[QUOTE=Woodstock]The Grateful Dead are meh to me. Say what you will, but they're just meh.[/QUOTE]

Sorry to whomever, but I agree with that. They just don't interest me.


Thanks rockandroll :thumb:

magicbus nice avatar.

[QUOTE=thickasabrick]I think the dead were probably better musicians than the beatles, stones, and the who (except maybe moon), they (garcia?) were better songwriters than most of those guys except maybe lennon/mcartney. i think townshend was a great writer, but his guitar playing left something to be desired.
i think zeppelin was all around the best (skill,songwriting,live show), but im just a fanboy so its biased.[/QUOTE]

Keith Moon was definately a better drummer - Paige a better guitar player - Morrison just f***ing out of his god **** mind :thumb:

Ya I disagree with what thick as a brick said too.

[QUOTE=guitrguy]I Have become increasingly intrigued to check them out. I get my paycheck today so I ll probably get American Beauty.[/QUOTE]

American Beauty is the best Dead album to get if you are trying to get into them. After that get some DVDs

[QUOTE=Jaded]No. The Grateful Dead are good, but all of those bands are better than them.[/QUOTE]

Your statement after this one is much more intelligent. I make these judgments after I have heard these bands for such a very long time. Of course it is opinion, but I can back each of those statements.

[QUOTE]Badmoon, what did you think of the Festival Express documentary?[/QUOTE]

I haven’t actually seen all of it. My friend has it and I watched some of it though.


[QUOTE]I think the dead were probably better musicians than the beatles, stones, and the who (except maybe moon), they (garcia?) were better songwriters than most of those guys except maybe lennon/mcartney. i think townshend was a great writer, but his guitar playing left something to be desired.
i think zeppelin was all around the best (skill,songwriting,live show), but im just a fanboy so its biased.[/QUOTE]

Well, writing wise, I could easily say (though opinion) that The Grateful Dead wipe all of those bands clearly out (maybe not The Beatles though). Skill wise, I believe they are more original than each. I believe Jerry Garcia is a much more accomplished guitarist than Townshend, Page, Harrison, Richards ect. His is surely one of the greatest acoustic guitarists ever. He was a very talented finger picker, and quite good on slide.

Technically, I also believe Mickey Hart of The Grateful Dead is a more proficient drummer than the rest. However, each could not take them in numerous fields.

Phil Lesh isn’t as talented as John Entwistle. Though Lesh is very influence and original. The only definite factor each other band has over The Grateful Dead is singing. Though that can be debated if I you count Donna Jean Godchaux, but she wasn’t in the band for that long.

/all opinion

Speaking of the Dead, I just got the Grateful Dead (Skull and Roses) live album.

That is a fantastic album. Every song is great. :thumb:

[QUOTE=Badmoon]That is a fantastic album. Every song is great. :thumb:[/QUOTE]

I remember you saying it was good and I decided to pick it up. So far I've only heard the first song (and I really liked it), so I'm excited about the rest of the album.

Skill is completely irrelvant when it comes to how good a band is. And everyone has a different opinion about what sounds good.

Your article won't work unlessyou want to try to prove that they're the most skilled band ever at their instruments, and that can't possibly be done.

The only thing left is to prove that they were more influencial than any other band.

Trying to say that they're the best anything else is irrational.

Any article would have to be 100% opinion in a subject that is subjective.

Good luck :)

You act as though I was trying to convert everyone here. Now, I'm am just putting a follow up opinion to some one elses. Quit trying to pull reasons out of your a[I]s[/I]s to show that my "article" can be disaproved, when I already stated that it's all opinion.

[QUOTE=Badmoon]You act as though I was trying to convert everyone here. Now, I'm am just putting a follow up opinion to some one elses. Quit trying to pull reasons out of your a[I]s[/I]s to show that my "article" can be disaproved, when I already stated that it's all opinion.[/QUOTE]

"article"????????