Sehr gut, komrade.

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]The harsh vocals. Both have elements of melo death.[/QUOTE]
Neither have any elements of anything related to death metal.

[QUOTE=FuryInArt]You're saying Kai Haito's drumming isn't very Death Metal influenced? I think he has very big similarities to Flo of Cryptopsy...listen to Winter Madness (Wintersun) and then Crown of Horns (Cryptopsy) and I think you might see some similarities :thumb:[/QUOTE]
Not death metal. :)

These bands are [U]power[/U] metal, plain and simple.

I still disagree - Kai Haito's drumming doesn't remind me much of DragonForce, Blind Guardian, or other such power metal bands.

The drumming is a pretty small aspect of the band's sound. You could easily make the connection of his drumming with bands in nearly any genre.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]The drumming is a pretty small aspect of the band's sound. You could easily make the connection of his drumming with bands in nearly any genre.[/QUOTE]

Except hip-hop? :p

I must disagree with your point, however, and I'm not even a drummer.

My band and I are a prime example of the fact that there is no music without the drums - while we were practicing Warheart we were constantly being shuffled around and thrown of time seemingly without end. We decided that we had to recruit a drummer IMMEDIATELY. Drummers are extremely important to a band's sound - without them it's nigh impossible to keep time. They are extremely essential and can add so much.

I didn't mean that drums aren't importent, I meant that they don't contribute to the aspects people really remember about a band. Drums carry no melody, and therefore are a very minor factor in determining what genre a band is.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]I didn't mean that drums aren't importent, I meant that they don't contribute to the aspects people really remember about a band. Drums carry no melody, and therefore are a very minor factor in determining what genre a band is.[/QUOTE]

My drummer side is going to have to somewhat disagree.... without blast beats and sickass double bass, metal would not sound like metal.... there might not be a huge differnce between drums in different kinds of metal, but there is between metal and jazz or even metal and rock...

[QUOTE=Mr. Squiggles]My drummer side is going to have to somewhat disagree.... without blast beats and sickass double bass, metal would not sound like metal.... there might not be a huge differnce between drums in different kinds of metal, but there is between metal and jazz or even metal and rock...[/QUOTE]
What about bands like Opeth for example? No blast beats, double bass is used very sparingly, yet still blatantly metal, thanks to the heavy riffs and growled vocals. Some of their heaviest songs are built with jazz-like drum patterns.

Or Mastodon.

Ok, point well taken, drums are not allways an important factor in determining what genre a song/band is, but, there are many cases where they are... Alot of bands use the drums to drive their sound... Arsis, from what I have heard, are very much driven by their drums... Also alot of Amon Amarths sound can be contributed to the drums... I'm not saying that they are what make the band... but they can add alot....

Oh definitely, bands like Arsis and Cryptopsy wouldn't be half as good without the level of extreme drumming, and that's very common in metal. I
was just pointing out that there can be exceptions.

Yeah, I agree... There are pleanty of exceptions, you don't have to be an all out double bass, super fast, insane drummer to play metal.. I was just saying that they do factor into the sound... but mainly... I just like to give credit to the drums... since I stared playing them, I've realized how much of the music is because of them...

Definately learn to play jazz before metal and you will become an infinately more interesting drummer.

[QUOTE=Moses]Definately learn to play jazz before metal and you will become an infinately more interesting drummer.[/QUOTE]

Oh, hell yeah, Jazz drummers are amazing, plus you can use so much of what you learn from Jazz in solos and crap... I just wish I would have started with the Jazz stuff earlier, but oh well....

Jazz guitar has definitely taught me a lot.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]Jazz guitar has definitely taught me a lot.[/QUOTE]

Give me some insights! I'll never take lessons since I can teach myself anything and ask my dad on musical theory stuff.

[QUOTE=FuryInArt]





You're saying Kai Haito's drumming isn't very Death Metal influenced? I think he has very big similarities to Flo of Cryptopsy...listen to Winter Madness (Wintersun) and then Crown of Horns (Cryptopsy) and I think you might see some similarities :thumb:[/QUOTE]

A bit late but I meant Jaska. Not Kai.

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]Give me some insights! I'll never take lessons since I can teach myself anything and ask my dad on musical theory stuff. [QUOTE]


I have to wait three years before I can take Music Theory. Consider yourself lucky that you can learn it whenever you want! I envy you!

[QUOTE=purgatory]

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]Give me some insights! I'll never take lessons since I can teach myself anything and ask my dad on musical theory stuff. [QUOTE]

[QUOTE]
I have to wait three years before I can take Music Theory. Consider yourself lucky that you can learn it whenever you want! I envy you![/QUOTE]

lol. I just play w/e until I get it right. For ages I just stayed with easy stuff and in time got very bored. I was playing Static X, Lacuna Coil, Trivium and In Flames' The Quiet Place....It just got really boring. It was too easy and never challenged me. oh yeah. I used to play Hold Back The Day by Devildriver.
(I'd always played Raining Blood and Bloodline) (Not counting those since I still enjoy them and of course play them).

I started working with some CoB riffs and stuff. Just kicked my arse into gear and started learning harder riffs/songs. Then I learned Sixpounder, minus the solos. I'm going to sit down and nail the first solo once I have time.
Currently I'm working on nailing Lashed To The Slave Stick. I think it'll be a couple months before I have that down perfect. I can play all but two riffs of it. I havn't gotten to working on the last two. They will be easy though. I'm kinda sloppy on the chorus and a tad on the string skipping.

Meh.

Moral of the story: If it's easy, don't play it. Push yourself!

[QUOTE=I'm Charming][QUOTE=purgatory]

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]Give me some insights! I'll never take lessons since I can teach myself anything and ask my dad on musical theory stuff. [QUOTE]



lol. I just play w/e until I get it right. For ages I just stayed with easy stuff and in time got very bored. I was playing Static X, Lacuna Coil, Trivium and In Flames' The Quiet Place....It just got really boring. It was too easy and never challenged me. oh yeah. I used to play Hold Back The Day by Devildriver.
(I'd always played Raining Blood and Bloodline) (Not counting those since I still enjoy them and of course play them).

I started working with some CoB riffs and stuff. Just kicked my arse into gear and started learning harder riffs/songs. Then I learned Sixpounder, minus the solos. I'm going to sit down and nail the first solo once I have time.
Currently I'm working on nailing Lashed To The Slave Stick. I think it'll be a couple months before I have that down perfect. I can play all but two riffs of it. I havn't gotten to working on the last two. They will be easy though. I'm kinda sloppy on the chorus and a tad on the string skipping.

Meh.

Moral of the story: If it's easy, don't play it. Push yourself![/QUOTE]

So far the hardest stuff i know is Chokehold lol. I've only been playing for 2 years though so I'm still somewhat of a noob. I actually JUST starting sweep picking last friday lol.

[QUOTE=purgatory][QUOTE=I'm Charming][QUOTE=purgatory]

[QUOTE=I'm Charming]Give me some insights! I'll never take lessons since I can teach myself anything and ask my dad on musical theory stuff.

So far the hardest stuff i know is Chokehold lol. I've only been playing for 2 years though so I'm still somewhat of a noob. I actually JUST starting sweep picking last friday lol.[/QUOTE]


Hmm. I've never learned Chokehold. I've played through it and it seemed fairly easy in most parts.

I've played a tad over 2 years, but I do play 3-5 hours everyday. That helps.

I don't work on random techniques, I mostly work on w/e I have to for the song I'm currently learning. Then I practice it to death and nail it. As right now, I'm practicing string skipping non stop, since Lashed To The Slave Stick has so much of it.
I finally forced myself to nail down Pinch Harmonics, because of their being used in Lashed To The Slave Stick.

[QUOTE=I'm Charming][QUOTE=purgatory][QUOTE=I'm Charming][QUOTE=purgatory]




Hmm. I've never learned Chokehold. I've played through it and it seemed fairly easy in most parts.

I've played a tad over 2 years, but I do play 3-5 hours everyday. That helps.

I don't work on random techniques, I mostly work on w/e I have to for the song I'm currently learning. Then I practice it to death and nail it. As right now, I'm practicing string skipping non stop, since Lashed To The Slave Stick has so much of it.
I finally forced myself to nail down Pinch Harmonics, because of their being used in Lashed To The Slave Stick.[/QUOTE]

So do you know your scales and modes and stuff like that?

[QUOTE=purgatory]

So do you know your scales and modes and stuff like that?[/QUOTE]

Nope. I've never done scales.

Tab or by ear. I will eventually. It's just never been something I thought too be interesting.

I've never had any problems due to a lack of playing scales. Meh.

I have learned scales, my guitar teacher has been showing me how to read rythms and stuff so that way I can go through my whole A7X City Of Evil tab book, the rythms in that are hard as f[size=2]u[/size]ck!

Oh yeah and, you guys suck at the whole quote thing. :lol: jk.

[QUOTE=Drunken Viking]I have learned scales, my guitar teacher has been showing me how to read rythms and stuff so that way I can go through my whole A7X City Of Evil tab book, the rythms in that are hard as f[size=2]u[/size]ck!

Oh yeah and, you guys suck at the whole quote thing. :lol: jk.[/QUOTE]

Hmm. The only riff I had trouble with outta the few songs I've played off CoE was that harmonzied lead in Burn It Down. The finger position & speed were a bitch.
[QUOTE=Drunken Viking]
Oh yeah and, you guys suck at the whole quote thing. :lol: jk.[/QUOTE]


Thanks champ! :thumb:

[QUOTE=Drunken Viking]I have learned scales, my guitar teacher has been showing me how to read rythms and stuff so that way I can go through my whole A7X City Of Evil tab book, the rythms in that are hard as f[size=2]u[/size]ck!

Oh yeah and, you guys suck at the whole quote thing. :lol: jk.[/QUOTE]

I just got into A7X, they got some cool stuff.

i havent heard enough A7X to give my disertation on them as a whole...


on another note, i saw my boy JP on tuesday. Fukking bastards didnt play a single song i wanted them to :upset:

[QUOTE=Che Guevara]i havent heard enough A7X to give my disertation on them as a whole...


on another note, i saw my boy JP on tuesday. Fukking bastards didnt play a single song i wanted them to :upset:[/QUOTE]

What did and didn't they play?

Im Going To Go So Cob On July 4th!!!!

Hopefully:upset:

What is stopping you?^^^

[QUOTE=purgatory]What is stopping you?^^^[/QUOTE]


Good question. I'd kill to see CoB again. They are amazing live.

I still havent got to see them