[QUOTE=Super Wotan]Exactly. It's like black metal. Would I listen to it all if it wasn't for the "bad" and fuzzy sounding production? No. There would be no point at all. This is my exact views about those Opeth albums.[/QUOTE]
Don't you like the themes in black metal or somthing? Like 80% amirite?

I think Orchid and Morningrise shouldn't be remastered but I do agree with the idea that the songwriting was very amateur.

I think Orchid and Morningrise could use some remastering... maybe fix the bass, make it sound less triggered on Anders' part, and turning down Johan, he's a bit overpowering at times.

It could be remastered but I don't think it would be any better that way. The production is what gives those albums their character opposed to the others.

[QUOTE=Moses]Don't you like the themes in black metal or somthing? Like 80% amirite?

I think Orchid and Morningrise shouldn't be remastered but I do agree with the idea that the songwriting was very amateur.[/QUOTE]
Yes. Those themes wouldn't be brought to life if it wasn't for that overall feel/sound.

Opeth isn't black metal.

Kind of obvious :p

I don't know if it's been posted already because I don't feel like reading through 10 pages, but Opeth was annoucned for this year's Gigantour :)

:-0

Yessssssssssss

um...theres a gigantour in 2006?

Yes

[QUOTE=Eleventeen]False.

It all flows far too well to just be, 'a bunch of riffs strung together,'

Yes, it's completely unstructured, but the songwriting is quite evident in the flow.[/QUOTE]

I don't know. He got riffs he'd made up and strung the ones together that sounded good next to each other. ie: The ones that are in the same or similar keys, or ones that made for interesting changes. So yes, they do "flow" without sounding stupid.

But that dosn't take away from the fact that the riffs mostly sit next to each other. There isn't a lot to draw me back to the 'songs' other than a riff or two that I like, and that shouldn't really be how songs are for me. I sort of see it more as pieces of music than songs though, in that style. Opeth became a genius band on MAYH and beyond, they only mostly hinted potential genius in Orchid and Morningrise.

Can't any of you O/MR lovers actually see how on their work after their two albums they actually link riffs together with passages and intermediate riffs and such? Actually progressing into good songwriting, rather than just sitting riffs next to each other?

Anyway, if you enjoy that, you do, but personally I find it [i]boring[/i] to sit through the entirity of Orchid or Morningrise, even though parts of those albums have me in awe.

[QUOTE=Trivium616]I don't know if it's been posted already because I don't feel like reading through 10 pages, but Opeth was annoucned for this year's Gigantour :)[/QUOTE]
HOLY ****, IM GOING

[QUOTE=Shadius]I don't know. He got riffs he'd made up and strung the ones together that sounded good next to each other. ie: The ones that are in the same or similar keys, or ones that made for interesting changes. So yes, they do "flow" without sounding stupid.

But that dosn't take away from the fact that the riffs mostly sit next to each other. There isn't a lot to draw me back to the 'songs' other than a riff or two that I like, and that shouldn't really be how songs are for me. I sort of see it more as pieces of music than songs though, in that style. Opeth became a genius band on MAYH and beyond, they only mostly hinted potential genius in Orchid and Morningrise.

Can't any of you O/MR lovers actually see how on their work after their two albums they actually link riffs together with passages and intermediate riffs and such? Actually progressing into good songwriting, rather than just sitting riffs next to each other?

Anyway, if you enjoy that, you do, but personally I find it [i]boring[/i] to sit through the entirity of Orchid or Morningrise, even though parts of those albums have me in awe.[/QUOTE]
I can see how albums past Morningrise seem more coherently writtem, but I don't agree at all that their first two albums sound like randomly written riffs pieced together. The songs all flow for me. Not only that, but they shift throughout. Whereas the newer stuff keeps a constant sound throughout the songs, Orchid and Morningrise shifted through different styles and trains of thought in a single song. It's very hard to explain, but I wholeheartedly disagree with your views.

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]I can see how albums past Morningrise seem more coherently writtem, but I don't agree at all that their first two albums sound like randomly written riffs pieced together. The songs all flow for me. Not only that, but they shift throughout. Whereas the newer stuff keeps a constant sound throughout the songs, Orchid and Morningrise shifted through different styles and trains of thought in a single song. It's very hard to explain, but I wholeheartedly disagree with your views.[/QUOTE]

You say the songs "shift through different styles" I say the songs have different ideas and styles simply placed next to each other.

Potaytoes potahtoes, right?

I stand by the first two albums not being as overall captivating for me as their later work though.

It's funny that we disagree on this and yet both rate GR highly as an Opeth album though. I suppose thats Opeth for you.

[QUOTE=Trivium616]I don't know if it's been posted already because I don't feel like reading through 10 pages, but Opeth was annoucned for this year's Gigantour :)[/QUOTE]

Now THAT is a tour they should be on...none of this lame *** Sounds of the Underground crap. I wonder if Nevermore is going to be on it this year as well...

[QUOTE=Shadius]You say the songs "shift through different styles" I say the songs have different ideas and styles simply placed next to each other.

Potaytoes potahtoes, right?

I stand by the first two albums not being as overall captivating for me as their later work though.

It's funny that we disagree on this and yet both rate GR highly as an Opeth album though. I suppose thats Opeth for you.[/QUOTE]
I guess so. :p

I think we're the only people around here who don't rate GR as one of their worst. That's one thing I like about Opeth; everyone can have completely different ideas about the band but still agree they're amazing.

We need a new title for this thread!

[QUOTE=Det_Nosnip]Now THAT is a tour they should be on...none of this lame *** Sounds of the Underground crap. I wonder if Nevermore is going to be on it this year as well...[/QUOTE]

No, NM isn't. It's

Megadeth
Lamb of God
Opeth
Arch Enemy
Overkill
Into Eternity
The SmashUp
Sanctity

I would go only for Opeth and Into Eternity.

[QUOTE=pate]No, NM isn't. It's

Megadeth
Lamb of God
Opeth
Arch Enemy
Overkill
Into Eternity
The SmashUp
Sanctity[/QUOTE]
Sounds like an adequate set.

Who the hell is The Smashup?

Why did the thread titles change...

Hackings. Read the report problems thread and you'll see.

[FONT="Times New Roman"]I prefer their slow experimental songs as apposed to their screamy side. :) [/FONT]

[QUOTE=RosettaStoned][FONT="Times New Roman"]I prefer their slow experimental songs as apposed to their screamy side. :) [/FONT][/QUOTE]

He dosn't scream, he growls. :p

And argueably their usual mix of metal and soft aspects is more experimental than Damnation. :p

[QUOTE=Shadius]He dosn't scream, he growls. :p

And argueably their usual mix of metal and soft aspects is more experimental than Damnation. :p[/QUOTE]

In the Lamentations dvd Michael describes the vocal styles as screams. Technically they are growls though.

[QUOTE=Daven]I would go only for Opeth and Into Eternity.[/QUOTE]



Same. Into Eternity rule, I've had Buried In Oblivion since it came out.

My Arms Your Hearse = teh ****

I think I like GR better than Damnation.

I honestly don't like GR much anymore, meh.

Me too, actually I'm not that into any post-SL opeth recently. Still like it, but I looove the old stuff.

[QUOTE=Flynn]Same. Into Eternity rule, I've had Buried In Oblivion since it came out.[/QUOTE]

BIO is one of the best cds I have. It's original, well written, and kickass.

I haven't listened to much Opeth recently...some of BWP a few days ago, but that was it.