Plus, the old sound was probably more raw for the heavier side of fans.

The old albums would benefit greatly from cleaner production because they're based heavily around guitar harmonies and acoustic passages, neither of which sound very good the way they are now.

[QUOTE=Thor]Yeah, the new production is close to perfect but I still like the old one because the bass guitar was very distinct and easy to hear. Nowadays Mendez's bass lines are often overshadowed by everything else and that's always been a pet peave of mine.[/QUOTE]

The old bass tone was sh[i]i[/i]te though. You can hear it [i]too[/i] well on most songs off Morningrise, and to a lesser extent Orchid.

Mendez is a far better bassist, IMO. I mean, I suppose it could do with being brought up a little in the mix, but what with the heavily distorted guitars it would be drowned anyway.

Its the overal sensation, it's fitting in each album, and they work greatly as they are.

However, a re-editin of Orchid\Morningrise would be interesting, with much better vocals.

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]Its the overal sensation, it's fitting in each album, and they work greatly as they are.

However, a re-editin of Orchid\Morningrise would be interesting, with much better vocals.[/QUOTE]

And maybe some more vocal melodies in the clean sections. Along with his stronger growling. Less repetitions of the more boring riffs.. yeah, the albums could be made into their best work, totally. I just can't see a lot of fans being that happy though, haha.

I'm totally down for a redo of those albums.


/top poster has spoken :cool:

I think GR was a bit too over-produced. I think BWP probably was the most well done in production values.

[QUOTE=Thor]Yeah, the new production is close to perfect but I still like the old one because the bass guitar was very distinct and easy to hear. Nowadays Mendez's bass lines are often overshadowed by everything else and that's always been a pet peave of mine.[/QUOTE]

They're still there, though. I kinda like the fact that you have to actually pay attention in order to hear what he's doing...it's one of those things where you'll notice different things with each listen. He's a bit more subtle of a player, but he adds some really nice touches.

Indeed he is subtle.

Good subtle bass playing = good flashy bass playing IMO

The only real problems I have with the production on Orchid and Morningrise would be the thin drums and the super reverbed vocals. I really got used to them though. I really dont see a need for a remastering. Orchid with BWP production would be awesome though.

Being that Mikael doesnt even like those albums anymore, he probably would pull a Dimmu and alter the sh[COLOR="Black"]i[/COLOR]t out of them.

I personally think he's too much of a creative guy to want to go back and redo things. Maybe if he didn't have enough material for a full new album he might consider it...

..but man, his work rate is immense and the original stuff he comes up with all the time. I can see quite a few new albums being made before he resorts to redoing anything.

Redoing Orchid and Morningrise would kill the albums. That underproduced and raw feel MADE them.

No it didn't. Please cease your crazy talk ASAP.

[QUOTE=Wotan]Redoing Orchid and Morningrise would kill the albums. That underproduced and raw feel MADE them.[/QUOTE]
i agree; it sort of added to the spooky, angry atmosphere


though it would be interesting to hear the albums in the new opeth sound....and if you dont like it the old versions are still there

I'm for Orchid and Morningrise being remixed/remastered by Steven Wilson (because he is the God of Production) but not re-done or whatever...there's no reason to change the albums from how they were. I think a good remastering job could make the guitars less painful to listen to, but the guitar and vocal tones were a crucial part of those two albums. No need to get rid of those.

What really brought them down was the lack of any attempts at songwriting. They basically strung a bunch of riffs together and called it a ten minute song. Of course there's also the fact that the riffs on Orchid are kind of contrived for the most part and that the acoustic riffs on it are downright weak. Morningrise remedied those but still suffered from lack of songwriting.

I couldn't disagree more.

I feel the urge to listen to The Master's Apprentice, but i dont have it in my computer!!! :mad:

BWP and Morningrise are my fav Opeth albums - I don't think Morningrise suffers from bad songwriting.

But yeah, I'd like to see Steven Wilson remaster Orchid and Morningrise. I don't mind the production, but I'd like to see how it sounds after Wilson has had a go with it.

[QUOTE=Jude]What really brought them down was the lack of any attempts at songwriting. They basically strung a bunch of riffs together and called it a ten minute song. Of course there's also the fact that the riffs on Orchid are kind of contrived for the most part and that the acoustic riffs on it are downright weak. Morningrise remedied those but still suffered from lack of songwriting.[/QUOTE]
I agree with this completely.

Pfffft, you're all fools. Flynn knows what I'm talking about. :mad:

^^^ Me too. I've tried to point this out to others, but I suck at explaining things.

Theres not much flow to those songs, But overall, I still like it.

EDIT: Too slow at posting tonight lol.

Sooo, Opeth are also on G2 sounds good if they come back to Aus cause I missed them the first time round :mad:

Nice, Opeth live kicks!

[QUOTE=ShadowsFallen]I couldn't disagree more.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you.

[QUOTE=Whale and Wasp]i agree; it sort of added to the spooky, angry atmosphere


though it would be interesting to hear the albums in the new opeth sound....and if you dont like it the old versions are still there[/QUOTE]
Live versions of them would work as well, I believe.

I mean, played recently.

[QUOTE=Crysiss]^^^ Me too. I've tried to point this out to others, but I suck at explaining things.

Theres not much flow to those songs, But overall, I still like it.

EDIT: Too slow at posting tonight lol.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but while Orchid and MR have a bunch of awesome parts strung together in a slipshod fashion, the later Opeth albums have a bunch of awesome parts which meld together and flow perfectly into each other, and conventions of songwriting are actually present.

Yes, indeed.

Black Rose Immortal is the best example of this rather lacking connections between itsy bitsy parts. It's like a 20-minute mesh of riffs without a lacking, let's call it train of thought, which rarely happens in the newer albums.

But time, you know. Learning and that stuff.

[QUOTE=Whale and Wasp]i agree; it sort of added to the spooky, angry atmosphere

[/QUOTE]
Exactly. It's like black metal. Would I listen to it all if it wasn't for the "bad" and fuzzy sounding production? No. There would be no point at all. This is my exact views about those Opeth albums.

[QUOTE=Jude]I'm for Orchid and Morningrise being remixed/remastered by Steven Wilson (because he is the God of Production) but not re-done or whatever...there's no reason to change the albums from how they were. I think a good remastering job could make the guitars less painful to listen to, but the guitar and vocal tones were a crucial part of those two albums. No need to get rid of those.

What really brought them down was the lack of any attempts at songwriting. They basically strung a bunch of riffs together and called it a ten minute song. Of course there's also the fact that the riffs on Orchid are kind of contrived for the most part and that the acoustic riffs on it are downright weak. Morningrise remedied those but still suffered from lack of songwriting.[/QUOTE]

False.

It all flows far too well to just be, 'a bunch of riffs strung together,'

Yes, it's completely unstructured, but the songwriting is quite evident in the flow.

[QUOTE=TojesDoLan]Yes, indeed.

Black Rose Immortal is the best example of this rather lacking connections between itsy bitsy parts. It's like a 20-minute mesh of riffs without a lacking, let's call it train of thought, which rarely happens in the newer albums.

But time, you know. Learning and that stuff.[/QUOTE]
Black Rose Immortal doesn't really have much train of thoguht, but to me, the entire Orchid album flows beautifully, as do the other Morningrise songs.