Yes, but there not on the level of Tool.

[QUOTE=guitarded_chuck]Well that's not too bad. Better than like 2 years from now or something.

I think Maynard should totally abandon APC and take Tool on 100%. I'm not a fan of APC at all, but at the same time Tool is one of the greatest bands of the past 10-20 years.[/QUOTE]
NO WAY!!!!!tool best band in the world,apc not far behind.Bsides Tool are a very different band from apc so if Maynard stoped expresion himself with them hed prob get very frustrated, Same with Danny and PLC

[QUOTE]...ahem. [/QUOTE]Kage, dawg. You would understand if you was a gangstar :D


[QUOTE]WHAT? are you insane!!!!!!!??????[/QUOTE]N,o but he has a OPINION. Are all those punctuation marks really needed? I hate APC as well (besides a few song off 13th step) Its just flat out boring music to me

I really don't know what it was, but I could never get into APC. Took me awhile to aquire a taste for Tool too. I respect them though.

But yea, Maynard's in his 40's now. I'm just scared that he'll end up splitting with one band or the other.

I've always thought that the melodic nature of APC would make them more accessible... That's the case for most people.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]Yes, but there not on the level of Tool.[/QUOTE]

i disagree!!! look at 90% of the bands out there and compare it with apc. hm? got it!?

and you can't compare apc and tool together... and to be serious: i like apc music even a 'little' bit more than the music of tool. but thats me....

and i don't think that mjk is getting old or something, only because they need 'time' to produce a new record... hey its tool and not a ****ing **** britney spears band where other (the company) produces the songs for her... if tool/apc needs time, ok... i have no problem with that. they are all creative persons and they work best when they aren't under pressure.

[QUOTE=Dried Muffin Remnants]I've always thought that the melodic nature of APC would make them more accessible... That's the case for most people.[/QUOTE]
Same here,their slightly more "user friendly"

What? Are you kidding? Tools music blows APCs away. I love APC, but they don't come close to Tool.

[QUOTE]i disagree!!! look at 90% of the bands out there and compare it with apc. hm? got it!?[/QUOTE]Read my last post ^

[QUOTE]What? Are you kidding? Tools music blows APCs away. I love APC, but they don't come close to Tool.[/QUOTE] Didnt expect this coming from you, Respect peoples opinions.

Maybe since they are more "user friendly" they seem boring to me. But like I said, I respect them. Tool simply makes better music.

APC is alright but Tool is just way more exceptional. APC just lacks the depth in my mind.

if the music is boring, then you haven't listen to them properly...

[QUOTE]if the music is boring, then you haven't listen to them properly...[/QUOTE] How do you know YOU have not listened to them properly, and they really suck? Exactly. I find them bland as all hell compared to tool (my opinion)

[QUOTE=repcak]if the music is boring, then you haven't listen to them properly...[/QUOTE]
Maybe.

Recommend me some material and tell me why ya like them. I'm in the mood to take another listen.

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]What? Are you kidding? Tools music blows APCs away. I love APC, but they don't come close to Tool.[/QUOTE]
I know and COMPLETLY agree but i just didnt want to see APC geting taken lightly or dismissed. Anyway Maynards (or the other guys) arent shown any signs of slowing down and im preety sure Tool is Maynards biggest musical comitment.

I don't think Tool would be very exciting to listen to at the moment... Not in a Tool mood. That could also be because I'm listening to Al Di Meola.

[QUOTE=faith+1]How do you know YOU have not listened to them properly, and they really suck? Exactly. I find them bland as all hell compared to tool (my opinion)[/QUOTE]


my bro and I are actually huge fans. Id say in the past year or so, ive listened to APC way more than TOoL...

it could be due to a lack of a new album

[QUOTE=faith+1]Didnt expect this coming from you, Respect peoples opinions.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, Tool fanboyism took over for a second. :D

And I was just saying my opinion... shoulda stuck a IMO at the end of the sentance though.

[QUOTE=Kage]...ahem.


:p[/QUOTE]

Man, you's a busta'!

[QUOTE=faith+1]Kage, dawg. You would understand if you was a gangstar :D

[/QUOTE]

**** strizzle!

[QUOTE]And I was just saying my opinion... shoulda stuck a IMO at the end of the sentance though.[/QUOTE] That had nothing to do with what i said. It was how you opened your response.

[QUOTE]What? Are you kidding? [/QUOTE] see what i mean?

(sorry for goin all mom like on you guys :lol: )

[QUOTE=faith+1]That had nothing to do with what i said. It was how you opened your response.

see what i mean?

(sorry for goin all mom like on you guys :lol: )[/QUOTE]


i just find it funny you play both sides of the fence..... habitually

[QUOTE=faith+1]That had nothing to do with what i said. It was how you opened your response.

see what i mean?

(sorry for goin all mom like on you guys :lol: )[/QUOTE]
Yeah alright... please still do drums for me... :thumb:

[QUOTE]i just find it funny you play both sides of the fence..... habitually[/QUOTE] Yeah during an argument I tend to get more serious, but as for playing both sides at one time....i dont member ever doing that.

I stated my opinion with out saying (What your opinion sucks) I disagree with opinions, BUT, that is perfectly accepted. Challenging someones opinion causes boring arguments. Not agreeing with someones opinion basically ends any form of argument right there.

Just accept it, people: It's a fact that APC's music is inferior to Tool's!

[QUOTE=Kage]Just accept it, people: It's a fact that APC's music is inferior to Tool's![/QUOTE]
Yes! :D :p

[QUOTE=guitarded_chuck]Maybe.

Recommend me some material and tell me why ya like them. I'm in the mood to take another listen.[/QUOTE]

[U]Mer de Noms:[/U]
The hollow
Magadlena
Orestes
Renholder
[U]
13th Steps:[/U]
The weak and powerless
Blue
The Outsider
The Pet
Gravity

[QUOTE=faith+1]Yeah during an argument I tend to get more serious, but as for playing both sides at one time....i dont member ever doing that.

I stated my opinion with out saying (What your opinion sucks) I disagree with opinions, BUT, that is perfectly accepted. Challenging someones opinion causes boring arguments. Not agreeing with someones opinion basically ends any form of argument right there.[/QUOTE]


you're reading into that too much



and why'd u get rid of ur supersized avatar?

[QUOTE=satchforever]Except, Maynard doesn't write any of the music for guitar, bass, or drums. Try to find a way to listen to some of their songs without the vocals in it. I'd hardly call it "farting into a mic." You could make a 10 minute song that is just you farting into a mic and that doesn't make you exceptional. What kind of argument is that? That has absolutely nothing to do with anything at all. The truth is, songwriting is more important than showing off. Adam has been playing guitar for probably 15 or 20 years. You know what, I'll bet he can shred real fast. Just because he doesn't on their cds, it doesn't mean that he can't. Adam, Justin, and Danny are the ones who lay down the structure of the song and it's only later on that Maynard adds his part to it. He is merely 1/4th of the band.[/QUOTE]

I'm just saying I'd think the music was incredibly boring without Maynard, i.e. if you made them an instrumental band. I hear the actual music and I don't FEEL anything (unlike Dream Theater, who I think create amazing music). However, with MJK's "one-fourth" added in, I feel that's the special touch that makes Tool the amazing band that it is. And I also think it's amazing the depth that he puts into his lyrics. I've read interpretations of Forty Six & Two that stretch on for PAGES, and it simply puts me in awe of his song-writing prowess.
So long story short: nowhere did I mean to imply that I don't like Tool (they're one of my 2 or 3 favorite bands) or that I don't really LIKE the music-writing (parts of Aenima make me want to jump up and beat the living crap out of **** [in a good way]), but it's the lyrics that attract me especially to them.

[QUOTE=repcak][U]Mer de Noms:[/U]
The hollow
Magadlena
Orestes
Renholder
[U]

Gravity[/QUOTE]


YOU FORGOT BRENA!!!!!11



I HATE U :angry:

sorry, i made this list really fast...

[QUOTE=repcak]sorry, i made this list really fast...[/QUOTE]


id reference my post again, but that would be a little redundant...


lets just not let that happen again ok :lol:


























Seriously though :angry:

[QUOTE]you're reading into that too much[/QUOTE] No ill give you an example

person1: Tool is a lot better than apc
Person2: What? whatever i saw APC live, you just dont listen to them as much

Start of boring argument

Person1: What? I have been listening to them since before you was born, i know they suck compared to tool
Person2: Blah blah blah more trash

SEE^^^^

Other forms of disagreeing that will not lead to boring arguments :)

person1: Tool is a lot better than apc
person 2: I still like APC better thank god we have opinions and not arguments lolrz
Person1: yeah its awsome refl

See^ the last one was easier and refrained from pointless arguments.

[QUOTE]and why'd u get rid of ur supersized avatar?[/QUOTE] They are overrated :)

and why i like APC?
they are making great music! thats it. fantastic progressive-rock! they create an atmosphere in their music as only a few bands can reach...
All over its softer than tool... and when i am relaxed and don't want to hear 'heavy' stuff, APC is just perfect for this mood.

Another thing is, that 13th steps once helped me through my depression: most say its the way out of drugs/addiction... but for me its the way out of a depression. (isn't it the same?!)

@Kage: i left you a message in FA-thread about nin... check it, if you haven't

[QUOTE=Darkness of Greed]What? Are you kidding? Tools music blows APCs away. I love APC, but they don't come close to Tool.[/QUOTE]

Way to get the point. "Accessibility" has nothing to do with quality. Plus, even if it were the case, you need to respect people's opinions more. The last time I said that Stinkfist was my favorite Tool song - you started talking about how much better the Grudge was. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks, son.

[QUOTE=Dried Muffin Remnants]Way to get the point. "Accessibility" has nothing to do with quality. [/QUOTE]
i think is stupid arguing if APC or Tool has more 'quality'. They make music on such a high level/quality that stupid folk (as we are) .... well, äh.... i mean - they are making both music on such a high level that it doesn't matter if tool is super-high-level or fantastic-high-level.
they are both high-level. point

[QUOTE=repcak]Another thing is, that 13th steps...[/QUOTE]

Singular, not plural.

Not to be a di[SIZE=2]c[/SIZE]k, but it's good to know an album's proper title.

[QUOTE=Moses]APC is alright but Tool is just way more exceptional. APC just lacks the depth in my mind.[/QUOTE]Agreed.

[QUOTE=Dried Muffin Remnants]Way to get the point. "Accessibility" has nothing to do with quality. Plus, even if it were the case, you need to respect people's opinions more. The last time I said that Stinkfist was my favorite Tool song - you started talking about how much better the Grudge was. Diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks, son.[/QUOTE]
You blew that way out of perportion. I simply asked why you liked that song so much (I wasn't attacking you, I even said that). Then you got all mad for little reason.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Faith, after you've done done with that project, may I trouble you for some drum samples? All the FL ones suck, and I could do with a real sounding set to work with[/QUOTE]

Faith :(

[QUOTE]Originaly posted by [B]SatchForevor[/B]
Except, Maynard doesn't write any of the music for guitar, bass, or drums[/QUOTE]

this was back a couple of pages but i thought it'd be important to correct you!!

this is the voice of Adam Jones him self so you can't deny the authenticy, i had to winzip it coz wav isnt accepted, so get unzipping!!

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=15822&stc=1[/url]

so are you gonna give me the love i crave or do I havta keep beatin' your *** at tool trivia!! :lol:

PS if i've somehow boned up attaching this i must look quite the fool, an october 10th fool as it were.

To all you trivia buffs out there, whoose quote is that a play on?!!