[QUOTE=Eleventeen]how can you tell if an apology came from the heart over the internet?[/QUOTE]
Shut up and go listen to Korn.

Anyway see ya guys, I'm off to watch a movie and then bed. :wave:

[QUOTE=high_voltage_acdc]Are you just saying this to keep on arguing or are you that heartless?[/QUOTE]
It's heartless to say that almost every person alive is incredibly immature?

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]You'd be very surprised no doubt.[/QUOTE]


So, you are telling me you pretty much could careless if any one extremely close to you would be killed? That's pretty heartless if you ask me.

[QUOTE=high_voltage_acdc]Anyway see ya guys, I'm off to watch a movie and then bed. :wave:[/QUOTE]

See ya :wave:

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]It's heartless to say that almost every person alive is incredibly immature?[/QUOTE]
No your whole argument not just that one quote.
/goes offline

[QUOTE=BoboTheRagingHobo]So, you are telling me you pretty much could careless if any one extremely close to you would be killed? That's pretty heartless if you ask me.[/QUOTE]
It's rather immature of you to judge me since you don't know me.

I am personally not effected by a tragedy like the tsunami, but I repsect the feelings of people that are. It's unfair to them to have to put up with bs like that radio.

[QUOTE=lunch998]I am personally not effected by a tragedy like the tsunami, but I repsect the feelings of people that are. It's unfair to them to have to put up with bs like that radio.[/QUOTE]
It's unfair to deal with a lot of things, but it's life, if you can't weather unfairness you're in for a bad life.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]It's rather immature of you to judge me since you don't know me.[/QUOTE]


I am not judging you, but I am going off of what you tell me. And am I not supposed to believe what you tell me or what?

And what's with this immaturity thing? I am very mature, yet you are calling me immature because I am believing the things you are saying and making situations and asking or believing how you would feel if that happened based on what you have told me.

Cmon, guys. It's hard not to feel for those people. I donated $20 out of my pocket and i'm poor (well not really but I don't work and my parents don't give me much money). Put yourselves in their shoes.

/mostly to zepfan.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]It's unfair to deal with a lot of things, but it's life, if you can't weather unfairness you're in for a bad life.[/QUOTE]

You're argument shows just a lack of repsect for people effected by the tsunami. I know you want to act like you wouldn't care if your family was killed and made fun of on the radio, but I think you would.

[QUOTE=BoboTheRagingHobo]I am not judging you, but I am going off of what you tell me. And am I not supposed to believe what you tell me or what?

And what's with this immaturity thing? I am very mature, yet you are calling me immature because I am believing the things you are saying and making situations and asking or believing how you would feel if that happened based on what you have told me.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm saying it is immature to label someone heartless because they aren't touched by a "world tragedy" and that everyone should be sensitive to one another. For all you know, my family beat me as a kid, or my fiance cheated on me with my best friend, but since you don't know where I'm coming from, it is immature to slap a label on me based upon your experiences.

[QUOTE=rock not roll]Cmon, guys. It's hard not to feel for those people. I donated $20 out of my pocket and i'm poor (well not really but I don't work and my parents don't give me much money). Put yourselves in their shoes.

/mostly to zepfan.[/QUOTE]
I donated nothing, and would never even consider it.

[QUOTE=rock not roll]Cmon, guys. It's hard not to feel for those people. I donated $20 out of my pocket and i'm poor (well not really but I don't work and my parents don't give me much money). Put yourselves in their shoes.[/QUOTE]

Yes, exactly. And respect them and don't make petty remarks or jokes about it to make your self feel better about the situation at hand, because it certainly will not make the people affect feel better.


And it seems from what Vince is saying, if he was in that situation he could careless...

[QUOTE=lunch998]You're argument shows just a lack of repsect for people effected by the tsunami. I know you want to act like you wouldn't care if your family was killed and made fun of on the radio, but I think you would.[/QUOTE]
You don't know me, or my life experiences, so I would say you don't have any idea what you are talking about. Those people did nothing worthy of respect except die.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]You don't know me, or my life experiences, so I would say you don't have any idea what you are talking about. Those people did nothing worthy of respect except die.[/QUOTE]

Yea well you don't know them, or their life experiences, so I would say you don't have any idea what you're talking about when describing their situation.

Besides I could use the same remark after everything you say too. You don't know me or my life experiences so therefore you don't have any idea what you're talking about.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]No, I'm saying it is immature to label someone heartless because they aren't touched by a "world tragedy" and that everyone should be sensitive to one another. For all you know, my family beat me as a kid, or my fiance cheated on me with my best friend, but since you don't know where I'm coming from, it is immature to slap a label on me based upon your experiences.[/QUOTE]


But not every one is like you, so why do you say every one is immature to have feelings for these people and respect them. Not every one hates their families or their so called lovers and friends, and will take offense to things that are supposed to be a funny of the situation.

And I was not slapping a label on you, I am simply going off of the things you are telling me. And the things you are telling me are giving me a certain impression. If you don't care about going farther indept into the situation of why you mean such things, I am going to have a limited idea of what you are talking about.

But just because you are one way and your life has been one way, does not mean every one elses is like that. Show some empathy and see if from their shoes.

Look, my only point is whether or not you care that many people died is irrelevent. I just think the families and friends of the dead deserve alittle better than being mocked on a radio station.

[QUOTE=lunch998]Yea well you don't know them, or their life experiences, so I would say you don't have any idea what you're talking about when describing their situation.

Besides I could use the same remark after everything you say too. You don't know me or my life experiences so therefore you don't have any idea what you're talking about.[/QUOTE]
But it is ridiculous to revere them just for dying, yes? I have no issue with the people affected mourning them, but it is rather ridiculous to expect everyone to mourn them. It was immature to broadcast it on the radio, no doubt, but it is also immature to demonize them for doing so. Both parties are being immature in my eyes, sorry if you didn't see that.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]But it is ridiculous to revere them just for dying, yes? I have no issue with the people affected mourning them, but it is rather ridiculous to expect everyone to mourn them. It was immature to broadcast it on the radio, no doubt, but it is also immature to demonize them for doing so. Both parties are being immature in my eyes, sorry if you didn't see that.[/QUOTE]

I never said you had to pay respects to everyone that died.

[QUOTE=BoboTheRagingHobo]But not every one is like you, so why do you say every one is immature to have feelings for these people and respect them. Not every one hates their families or their so called lovers and friends, and will take offense to things that are supposed to be a funny of the situation.

And I was not slapping a label on you, I am simply going off of the things you are telling me. And the things you are telling me are giving me a certain impression. If you don't care about going farther indept into the situation of why you mean such things, I am going to have a limited idea of what you are talking about.

But just because you are one way and your life has been one way, does not mean every one elses is like that. Show some empathy and see if from their shoes.[/QUOTE]
No, immaturity was present on both sides, don't get me wrong, I am not condoning what the radio station did, but I am not going to be angry about it either. But it was just as immature to go after these people after they apologized and made reperations, saying they need more punishment, especially involving people who had no direct action in the incident. This is censorship either way, so it is really unconstitutional. People have the right to get mad, but doing so in private would be the more mature thing, and, doubtless, the people suing the radio are not people related to the victims but people out to make a dollar.

Empathy is something I try to avoid at all costs.

I am off to play Counter-Strike...friends are bugging me...

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]No, immaturity was present on both sides, don't get me wrong, I am not condoning what the radio station did, but I am not going to be angry about it either. But it was just as immature to go after these people after they apologized and made reperations, saying they need more punishment, especially involving people who had no direct action in the incident. This is censorship either way, so it is really unconstitutional. People have the right to get mad, but doing so in private would be the more mature thing, and, doubtless, the people suing the radio are not people related to the victims but people out to make a dollar.

Empathy is something I try to avoid at all costs.[/QUOTE]

Ok, I can respect that. Good points.

[QUOTE=lunch998]I never said you had to pay respects to everyone that died.[/QUOTE]
If you can't disrespect them, you must respect them. For all everyone cares, it could have been 200000 prostitutes, or pimps, murderers, society's "dredg" and yet people would still mourn them. Why, did they do something worth lamenting the loss of?

[QUOTE=lunch998]Ok, I can respect that. Good points.[/QUOTE]
Usually I have a few of em behind my controversial positions :)

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]If you can't disrespect them, you must respect them. For all everyone cares, it could have been 200000 prostitutes, or pimps, murderers, society's "dredg" and yet people would still mourn them. Why, did they do something worth lamenting the loss of?[/QUOTE]

You don't have to disrespect them or respect them, you can just remain neutral and not take action for either side.

[QUOTE=zeppelinfan2k3]Usually I have a few of em behind my controversial positions :)[/QUOTE]

No, you have been using all good points, I was just taking the other point of view.

Anyways, I'm off soon, so I guess you win. Bye Zep.

[QUOTE=lunch998]You don't have to disrespect them or respect them, you can just remain neutral and not take action for either side.[/QUOTE]
More people should, but you get too many religions (mostly Christian) preaching that it is wrong not to help them and such. It is ridiculous (not to mention childish) to do that sort of thing and to preach to people who aren't helping the cause...seriously...