[QUOTE=Sliptallica]Okay, put it this way:

If Limp Bizkit put out another record that somehow become an 80s stlye thrash record, it would still sell more, because they are Limp Bizkit and get more publicity. Same goes for Metallica. They get tons more publicity than Megadeth.[/QUOTE]

Don't you think Dave wants more publicity?

Yeah, but the best he can do is run outside and yell "MEGADETH!" at the top of his lungs. The record labels handle the publicity differently. That's what I was trying to get at.


[quote=R. Blythe]
But if ur talking straight up guitar skill

Kirk=Dave
[/quote]

That's probably true, I wouldn't know. I don't know guitars very well.

God, I'm staying out of this thread. It's full of morons that have evidently only heard about one ****ing Megadeth album.

Kirk is not more skilled than Dave. Dave HAS done faster solos that Kirk. LarsAgi007, you're perhaps that more ignorant bastard ever, Dave is not a Metallica reject. You just think how much he contributed to their early success and shut your face.

*Doesn't care*

Grow up, guys. Not everyone can be the best, accept it. Neither of them live up to the truly greatest guitar players. Kirk pwns Dave in some departments, and vice versa. The fact that Kirk doesn't do riffs all too well is countered by James' riff writing ability. That's what part of being in a band is about - being able to play off each other's strengths and weaknesses to overcome problems and make kickarse music. It just so happens, Megadeth don't have the strength of Metallica in the way that they aren't in the public eye, they don't have Rock producing (like it or not, his producing skills are top notch. The band wanted St Anger to sound that way, and he produced it to reflect that), they don't have as big a push from the record labels, the business sense of James and Lars (they run Metallica as a business too, y'know...).


If you can't appreciate different bands, then don't listen to them. If you like both Megadeth and Metallica, great! Just agree to disagree, before someone bans you quite severely.

And don't come into Metallica threads saying how they suck, and 'Deth are better. It will only end in tears like this.

So, can we leave that discussion? Cheers.

[QUOTE=ThrashMaster27]Oh, you want a structured argument? Ok.

You might wanna check how many writing credits Kirk Hammett gets on what are considered Metallicas best albums. It's not really a lot. I don't see anything special about Kirk Hammett at all. He can't write a riff to save his life, his solos from the Black Album onwards are uninspired and boring and even then most of his solos couldn't challenge people that are average on Guitar. Plus the fact he's one of the most horribly overrated Guitarists ever.

When Kirk comes up with as many quality riffs over the years as Dave has and invents his own style instead of copying peoples then maybe we can start comparing them.

'Tallica Fanboy.[/QUOTE]

Exactly right, I would like to expand this a bit. Hammett does not write ****en riffs (With the exception of Enter Sandman, and man, that's a great example of Metal gone wrong), he is a lead guitarist who writes the solos, and they're not even that good (Well since Master they have been pretty bad).

[QUOTE=willis2441]yes but im talking about actual playing skill,kirk covered mustaines solos perfectly,now,why does everyone think dave is better?because he was the original?so what,dave has never done anything that is faster than hammets work,and hammet has never done anything that is better than daves work.im talkin about sheer skill on the guitar,now answer me that
megadeth fanboy[/QUOTE]
Mustaine plays ****en fast, you obviously don't listen to much Megadeth, some of Megadeth's insanely fast solos are just Mustaine having fun, the guy plays solos while singing, he's actually a pretty **** good vocalist too, sure he has a weird sound, but he can keep note. (A really good example of this in their song Back in The Day, at about the 1:05 mark, listen to Mustaine sing and Poland comes in over the top with a solo, I really like Mustaine's voice, but HATED it when I first heard Megadeth, so I understand where some of you are coming from, it's just a really weird sound, you won't get it anywhere else, so it's unique, it definately adds something to the music too.)
Mustaine is self-taught, I see people idolising Kirk, you should really look more at Mustaine.

As far as technical skill go, in my opinion, Megadeth > Metallica.
As far as writing go, Metallica are a better all-around (well, anything before and including Master, anything after is ****) band, but that's not to say Megadeth can't write good songs.

I like both bands equally, but I respect Mustaine alot, he is truly a great artist.
Metallica just woke him up one morning, and gave him a bus ticket home, that's not cool. Metallica are assholes. (But did write some good music).

[QUOTE=Chu]Exactly right, I would like to expand this a bit. Hammett does not write ****en riffs (With the exception of Enter Sandman, and man, that's a great example of Metal gone wrong), he is a lead guitarist who writes the solos, and they're not even that good (Well since Master they have been pretty bad).


Mustaine plays ****en fast, you obviously don't listen to much Megadeth, some of Megadeth's insanely fast solos are just Mustaine having fun, the guy plays solos while singing, he's actually a pretty **** good vocalist too, sure he has a weird sound, but he can keep note. (A really good example of this in their song Back in The Day, at about the 1:05 mark, listen to Mustaine sing and Poland comes in over the top with a solo, I really like Mustaine's voice, but HATED it when I first heard Megadeth, so I understand where some of you are coming from, it's just a really weird sound, you won't get it anywhere else, so it's unique, it definately adds something to the music too.)
Mustaine is self-taught, I see people idolising Kirk, you should really look more at Mustaine.

As far as technical skill go, in my opinion, Megadeth > Metallica.
As far as writing go, Metallica are a better all-around (well, anything before and including Master, anything after is ****) band, but that's not to say Megadeth can't write good songs.

I like both bands equally, but I respect Mustaine alot, he is truly a great artist.
Metallica just woke him up one morning, and gave him a bus ticket home, that's not cool. Metallica are assholes. (But did write some good music).[/QUOTE]

i have respect for mustain becuase i read somewhere that he slept on his hand one night, and woke up and the docter said he would never be able to play guitar again, he would lose 80% of useage of his hand. but he took lessons and learned guitar basically all over again. and came out with a new record. the system has failed.

[QUOTE=Chu]Exactly right, I would like to expand this a bit. Hammett does not write ****en riffs (With the exception of Enter Sandman, and man, that's a great example of Metal gone wrong), he is a lead guitarist who writes the solos, and they're not even that good (Well since Master they have been pretty bad).


Mustaine plays ****en fast, you obviously don't listen to much Megadeth, some of Megadeth's insanely fast solos are just Mustaine having fun, the guy plays solos while singing, he's actually a pretty **** good vocalist too, sure he has a weird sound, but he can keep note. (A really good example of this in their song Back in The Day, at about the 1:05 mark, listen to Mustaine sing and Poland comes in over the top with a solo, I really like Mustaine's voice, but HATED it when I first heard Megadeth, so I understand where some of you are coming from, it's just a really weird sound, you won't get it anywhere else, so it's unique, it definately adds something to the music too.)
Mustaine is self-taught, I see people idolising Kirk, you should really look more at Mustaine.

As far as technical skill go, in my opinion, Megadeth > Metallica.
As far as writing go, Metallica are a better all-around (well, anything before and including Master, anything after is ****) band, but that's not to say Megadeth can't write good songs.

I like both bands equally, but I respect Mustaine alot, he is truly a great artist.
Metallica just woke him up one morning, and gave him a bus ticket home, that's not cool. Metallica are assholes. (But did write some good music).[/QUOTE]

Ok, here's the thing. I have respect for both Mustaine and Hammett. To be quite honest, Mustaine is probably a better guitarist. From what i've heard, his solos are faster. Except that's not what I think. I like Kirk Hammett more because I like his playing more. I like Kirk's solos more than I like Dave's. I don't think it takes much skill at all to thrash like Dave does. The solos I have heard sound like he puts his fingers to it all without his heart in it. I may be wrong, but on Kirk's solos, it sounds like he's playing a lot more with his heart.

Yes, James, Lars, and Cliff did a very mean thing to Dave, but it was justified. Metallica wasn't going anywhere with Dave. Metallica would not be as well off if they never fired Dave. Every Metallica fan should know that the four most famous Metallica albums would not have existed if Dave stayed in the band.

[QUOTE]Grow up, guys. Not everyone can be the best, accept it. Neither of them live up to the truly greatest guitar players. Kirk pwns Dave in some departments, and vice versa. The fact that Kirk doesn't do riffs all too well is countered by James' riff writing ability. That's what part of being in a band is about - being able to play off each other's strengths and weaknesses to overcome problems and make kickarse music. It just so happens, Megadeth don't have the strength of Metallica in the way that they aren't in the public eye, they don't have Rock producing (like it or not, his producing skills are top notch. The band wanted St Anger to sound that way, and he produced it to reflect that), they don't have as big a push from the record labels, the business sense of James and Lars (they run Metallica as a business too, y'know...).[/QUOTE]

You are exactly right. Just because Kirk isn't such a great riff writer (even though he wrote one of the top ten riffs in the past century according to Guitar Magazine and Guitar One) the riffs are james' specialty. Kirk is a lead guitarist. Metallica wants what Metallica wants. Metallica put out Load, Reload, and St Anger the way they wanted to. So considering we're in the OFFICIAL METALLICA THREAD can we drop Mustaine? Metallica did it 22 years ago, can we do it now?

They are two different bands. Please remember that you probably would not have heard of Metallica if Kirk never showed up. Also remember there would be no Megadeth. Just appreciate both

OK, enough of this Hammett vs. Mustaine crap, I think everyone's getting sick of it, they're both equal IMO, Mustaine technically and Hammett soulfully, now as gocaps said, please can we drop it?

Change of topic - new Metallica album...

[QUOTE=metalcritter666]OK, enough of this Hammett vs. Mustaine crap, I think everyone's getting sick of it, they're both equal IMO, Mustaine technically and Hammett soulfully, now as gocaps said, please can we drop it?

Change of topic - new Metallica album...[/QUOTE]
now;
Hammett vs. Scott Ian :p

[QUOTE=metalcritter666]OK, enough of this Hammett vs. Mustaine crap, I think everyone's getting sick of it, they're both equal IMO, Mustaine technically and Hammett soulfully, now as gocaps said, please can we drop it?

Change of topic - new Metallica album...[/QUOTE]

so when do you think its coming out? i'll say it comes out early '06 and they start touring fall '06 until winter '07. sounds good ot me

I wish they'd do a UK tour outside of festivals...

[QUOTE=gocaps99]so when do you think its coming out? i'll say it comes out early '06 and they start touring fall '06 until winter '07. sounds good ot me[/QUOTE]
Yeah. I think they might start earlier than that, heh, maybe they can play two Downloads in a row again...that would have been 5 in a row if it weren't for this year.

I hope they make the next album good because I don't want metallica to retire and have everyone remember them as crap.

[QUOTE=RustedPieces]I hope they make the next album good because I don't want metallica to retire and have everyone remember them as crap.[/QUOTE]
They are seriously not going to change much at all from St. Anger IMHO so if you hated St. Anger I wouldn't get my hopes up

I liked St. Anger but the majority of people don't. That sucks.

I think they will change, the only two albums they stayed the same on were RTL and MOP (and Load and Reload but that's basically one album) so I think they'll continue to evolve.

I didnt hate St. Anger (and I probally wont hate their new album) and i dont see why peole hated it
EDIT: hey creeping_deth why do you hate gothikid13?
EDIT II: Does any one know how they came up with the name METALLICA?

[QUOTE=Creeping_Deth]I think they will change, the only two albums they stayed the same on were RTL and MOP (and Load and Reload but that's basically one album) so I think they'll continue to evolve.[/QUOTE]

Yes, it is more than likley that they will change. With every new bass player there music has changed quite alot, Look at the pattern.

Kill em all - Cliff Burton
Ride the lightning - Cliff Burton
Master of puppets - Cliff Burton
And justice for all - Cliff Burton
The Black album - Jason Newstead
Load - Bob Rock
Reload - Bob Rock
St Anger - Bob rock

Look at them, the albums (Not all i know) featured here all have dramatic changes with the coming of a new bass player.

Now, its more than likley if you look at the evidence above, that with Rob Trujillo, the sound should change alot.
Also, if you look at the work rob has done in the past, if he gets any say in this new album it would be more old skool.

EDIT II: Does any one know how they came up with the name METALLICA?

Yes, One of Larz Ulrichs friends was just about to publish a music magazine, and this guy had a list of names for his new magazine and wanted Larz to choose one, upon that list was the name Metallica, Another name was chosen for the magizine, but a few months later the publisher realised that Larz stole the name Metallica from his list, As they were good friends nothing ever became of it, also the name Metallica was not copywrited either.

[QUOTE=lilmetallica]I didnt hate St. Anger (and I probally wont hate their new album) and i dont see why peole hated it
EDIT: hey creeping_deth why do you hate gothikid13?
EDIT II: Does any one know how they came up with the name METALLICA?[/QUOTE]

People hated it because it was tuned down and beacuse it had no solos.

I think lars was talking to someone and the guy was thinking of a name for his band, and he said metallica, and lars said no that is not a good name, and he took it for himself.

I think i read that off of either allmetallica.com or encycmet.com

[QUOTE=LarsAgi007]Yes, it is more than likley that they will change. With every new bass player there music has changed quite alot, Look at the pattern.

Kill em all - Cliff Burton
Ride the lightning - Cliff Burton
Master of puppets - Cliff Burton
And justice for all - [B]Cliff Burton[/B] :confused:
The Black album - Jason Newstead
Load - Bob Rock
Reload - Bob Rock
St Anger - Bob rock

Look at them, the albums (Not all i know) featured here all have dramatic changes with the coming of a new bass player.

Now, its more than likley if you look at the evidence above, that with Rob Trujillo, the sound should change alot.
Also, if you look at the work rob has done in the past, if he gets any say in this new album it would be more old skool.

EDIT II: Does any one know how they came up with the name METALLICA?

Yes, One of Larz Ulrichs friends was just about to publish a music magazine, and this guy had a list of names for his new magazine and wanted Larz to choose one, upon that list was the name Metallica, Another name was chosen for the magizine, but a few months later the publisher realised that Larz stole the name Metallica from his list, As they were good friends nothing ever became of it, also the name Metallica was not copywrited either.[/QUOTE]

Cliff was dead and jason was in the band when they recorded ...and justice for all

[QUOTE=FlyingPaul_83]Cliff was dead and jason was in the band when they recorded ...and justice for all[/QUOTE]

Yes, that is true, but the Material Jason played was originally written by Cliff Burton :thumb:

You double posted!!!!

oops......oh well.

So...How did that online tribute band go?

[QUOTE]Yes, One of Larz Ulrichs friends was just about to publish a music magazine, and this guy had a list of names for his new magazine and wanted Larz to choose one, upon that list was the name Metallica, Another name was chosen for the magizine, but a few months later the publisher realised that Larz stole the name Metallica from his list, As they were good friends nothing ever became of it, also the name Metallica was not copywrited either.[/QUOTE]

Da[SIZE=2]m[/SIZE]n you Lars! I was gonna say that!

[QUOTE=metalcritter666]Da[SIZE=2]m[/SIZE]n you Lars! I was gonna say that![/QUOTE]

Ahh, Beat ya to it!! I am so supreme! :lol:

Does anyone else have the Metallica - Dark Souls DVD???

Hey whats up all?i know a crap load about metallica and their history so hey.

i think st anger is a decent album till you hear their old stuff.after that, the music on anger just seems shallow,it doesnt have any depth,you dont notice new sounds everytime you hear it,you dont get excited everytime you hear a certain sound. cant wait to hear the new stuff with rob trujillo dat guy just rules. :wave:

[QUOTE=lilmetallica]I didnt hate St. Anger (and I probally wont hate their new album) and i dont see why peole hated it

I hated it because of that stupid drum in it and james voice is al screming and the solos arent even half as good as they should be

There is no solos. :thumb:
Only 2 more posts!!!!!!!! Any one else think the price of the metallica fan club membership is to high? Its like 45$ to register and to renew your membership!!!! :angry:

their best cd is either the black album, or justice. i think lars is at his peak in that one. even though a ****load of people cant stand him, he proves himself a good drummer in justice

Where'd that come from?

[QUOTE=VicRattlehead99][QUOTE=lilmetallica]I didnt hate St. Anger (and I probally wont hate their new album) and i dont see why peole hated it

I hated it because of that stupid drum in it and james voice is al screming and the solos arent even half as good as they should be[/QUOTE]
yeah i think the drums are wot killd dat album, doh der goin for a bit of a raspy, thrashy guitar sound 2, in sum of dem. dat said, i love shoot me again. rob is amazin playn dat :wave:

Here we go 100 POSTS!!! YAY ... could you please write out that stuff. Seriously what does ..doh der... mean?

Are you serious not one solo in the entire album well if so it just proves my point and funky bass chick could you write that in english please so i could understand that no offense.and my favorite album is kill em all.

Not one REAL solo there is little riffs in the middle of the songs kimda but i wouldnt consider them solos.

[QUOTE=lilmetallica]Not one REAL solo there is little riffs in the middle of the songs kimda but i wouldnt consider them solos.[/QUOTE]

yea but i still like it. For Whom the Bell Tolls doesn't have a real solo and it's still awesome

You got a point there.

[QUOTE=funkybasschick]yeah i think the drums are wot killd dat album, doh der goin for a bit of a raspy, thrashy guitar sound 2, in sum of dem. dat said, i love shoot me again. rob is amazin playn dat :wave:[/QUOTE]

D =/ Th

[QUOTE=funkybasschick]yeah i think the drums are wot killd dat album, doh der goin for a bit of a raspy, thrashy guitar sound 2, in sum of dem. dat said, i love shoot me again. rob is amazin playn dat :wave:[/QUOTE]

great post!!! one problem, most of us here speak english...

[QUOTE=funkybasschick]yeah i think the drums are wot killd dat album, doh der goin for a bit of a raspy, thrashy guitar sound 2, in sum of dem. dat said, i love shoot me again. rob is amazin playn dat :wave:[/QUOTE]

Yes, the drums were rather odd, Lars seems to have resorted from his Remo Clear pinstripe skins in ST Anger, and for some reason stopped using his signature snare, and started using a piccolo snare?? For reasons unknown..

Also, wheras on almost every album Lars uses a hi-hat for 90% of songs, he has resorted you hitting a crash/Ride (Mid-Stick) to create a washy sound.. I was most certainly not impressed by the drumming on S.t Anger, but i must say the beats themselves were accually pretty skilled and complex.
I think if Larz resorted back to his Tama Starclassic Maple kit from S&M and re-recorded S.t Anger it would sound 80% better.

Also the main thing i noticed from the album was the guitars crunchy, raw sound, I think if they wen't to standard distortion with a little reverb that would have gone a long way also.
In all due respect though the riffs on S.t Anger are amongst the best.

I did enjoy Jaymez'z vocals on the chorus of S.t Anger though, I think the vocals were the best i had heard, it was just the backing vocals that let it down.

I also personally do not think solos helped the album either, I know on the original no solos are played, but on my Unnamed feeling Single, it has Dirty window live, and two solos are played in it, the first by Jaymez, the second by Kirk... I must say they didnt help the song much.