[QUOTE=irishslappop]ok so what you guys are saying that that im wrong correct?

a man was born in the forest and his mother died just as he was learning numbers.

the boy survives but his views are slightly skewed. his mother died on the number 4. he understands the concept of the number 1, 2, 3, and 4.

when he sees something that is the concept of the number 8, he calls it 6 because he heard his mother say the word once, but without explaining it to him.

8 is 6 to him. that is true. is he wrong?[/QUOTE]

Yes 8 is 6 to him. Yes he is wrong. He sees the concept of 8, be it apples, owls, fornicating philanthropists, whatever, and he calls it 6. 8 apples/owls/horny humanizers does not equal 6 apples/owls/passionate patrons.

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13467190]have you guys ever had a debate class or anything. you argue the point at hand. you cant use one human construct to debunk another, because for all your know, they could both be wrong.[/QUOTE]

Right, right, I forgot about using a Martians point of view when debating. Rule number one. Silly me, trying to use human logic.

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okay...

yeah, lame.

[QUOTE=Radiobass81;13467164]Wrong correct?

You were right (yet incredibly lacking elocuence) saying that a number's value was given by us. You were wrong with that whole "1000 years" concept.

Is the guy wrong? To his way of thinking, no. To ours, no, it's just different. yet again, incoherent example. Tell me how it fits into the theme.

And why didn't you defent on the years and days things? Did you see that you're wrong, or did you just stop arguing at all? If it's the first, then admit it, for god's sake. If not, then go on arguin, if you want, even though you make no sense.[/QUOTE]

im wrong? these aren't my veiws, im acually agnostic on the topic. i thought i made it appaent that ive been playing devil addvocate........


[QUOTE]Is the guy wrong? To his way of thinking, no. To ours, no, it's just different. yet again, incoherent example. Tell me how it fits into the theme.
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why is it a bad example, i happen to think its pretty good. is the guy wrong? you guys are telling me that when i say 1 is 1000 that im wrong. why im i wrong but the guy isn't? double standard? prejustice?

[QUOTE=Aerodyne;13467210]Yes 8 is 6 to him. Yes he is wrong. He sees the concept of 8, be it apples, owls, fornicating philanthropists, whatever, and he calls it 6. 8 apples/owls/horny humanizers does not equal 6 apples/owls/passionate patrons.[/QUOTE]

its just a word. eight is not eight. eight is ocho in spanish. why cant eight be six?

We never said that when you said 1 is 1000 you are wrong. I was arguing because you said you could say 1 is 1000, but you can't say 1 is 1000 years.

And, technically, to our standards, you [I]would [/I]be wrong. It has logic, but since we have other standards, then too bad. Take an SAT, get some answers wrong, and just tell them your viewpoint on the numbers is different from theirs and that you're not really wrong. Tell me what they say.

[QUOTE=Radiobass81;13467218]Right, right, I forgot about using a Martians point of view when debating. Rule number one. Silly me, trying to use human logic.[/QUOTE]

:confused: good one?

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13467268]its just a word. eight is not eight. eight is ocho in spanish. why cant eight be six?[/QUOTE]

Are you going to go on with this? This is the only part on the topic we agreed on, for god's sake!

you guys aren;t reading what im ****ing writing for christ sake

[QUOTE=me]1 COULD BE 1000[/QUOTE]

didn't say it WAS. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

i can see where the confusion came from. COULD BE, ITS POSSIBLE. i cant say someting like 1 IS 1000, thats not logical :D

[QUOTE=Radiobass81;13467303]Are you going to go on with this? This is the only part on the topic we agreed on, for god's sake![/QUOTE]

i've been saying it the whole time but i am horrible at articulating it. but when i said that before you kinda threw it in my face :mad:

I'm not reading what you're writing? You can barely explain yourself and are using incoherent examples.

oh who the **** cares

This has gotten so ridiculous. :lol:

I don't understand why words are being argued.

These numbers have preset values. That's why 1+1=2. That's why 8=/=6. He doesn't know what 8 is because what he learned was wrong.

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13467330]i've been saying it the whole time but i am horrible at articulating it. but when i said that before you kinda threw it in my face :mad:[/QUOTE]

Because, before we agreed on it, you weren't clear on your point. Remember that you had to clarify that you meant you were speaking of values and not bad teachings?

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its linguistics, not the math that matters :p. silly guys.

I didn't say that the the word eight couldn't be six. In the situation you presented, the Enkidu boy saw something that was in a group of 8 units (. . . . . . . .) However, due to his lacking knowledge of numbers beyond 4 he assigned the word six to the value 8. Thus, 8 (. . . . . . . .) critters/nuts/whatever, to him, was six (. . . . . . . .)

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Proved myself wrong.

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13467350]This has gotten so ridiculous. :lol:

I don't understand why words are being argued.

These numbers have preset values. That's why 1+1=2. That's why 8=/=6. He doesn't know what 8 is because what he learned was wrong.[/QUOTE]

If someone thinks 8 is 6, he is wrong by standards.

<3

Math takes concrete, natural things and translates them into the abstract to be analyzed according to rules we establish through logic. Then, the abstract is interpreted back into a "natural" meaning.

That's what math is.

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13467350]what he learned was wrong.[/QUOTE]

and youre the one to judge him? or are you saying that society deems him wrong? he fully understands the concept of 8. he can do simple math. the concepts are the same, but the number he writes down isn't why is he wrong?

oh who the f u ck cares

Read my post.

He is wrong by STANDARDS.

If someone writes the word "sain" "sane", he is wrong by standards. Does that mean he is wrong? Yes. Does he know it? Probably not, but he is by standards.

[QUOTE=irishslappop;13467358]its linguistics, not the math that matters :p. silly guys.[/QUOTE]

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I just replaced every word in your sentence with a different word, but it makes perfect sense to me and reads just like your sentence and means the same thing. Am I wrong?

Spiff: Great minds think alike. Use words as examples :thumb:.

[QUOTE=Spaceman Spiff;13467410]Banana compact, fate cowboy trip double robot :p. Wobble strap.





I just replaced every word in your sentence with a different word, but it makes perfect sense to me and reads just like your sentence and means the same thing. Am I wrong?[/QUOTE]

[SIZE="6"]BY STANDARDS LOL[/SIZE]



<3 theres two of us so were obviously right.


i cant get enough of you guys. im out for some stoned bowling. good talk. i think we've occupied the casual for long enough :p

and enough with the compliments like "great minds think alike."

if that were true all great thinkers would think the same thing and there would be no side the the other argument, so shut up.

i'm trying to get my band to do "hey ya" but no one seems very interested.

Standards are everything in this world, whether you like it or not.

words =/= math

Math is logic. Words aren't.

Grammar and the formulation of the structures of sentences are mathematical. Discussing poetry is not mathematical.

In short, you can't really always use words as examples.

Standards are in the eye of the beholder because standards will constantly vary from person to person. Furthermore, standards constantly change over time. Look at the standards women were held to dress to in the 1920s. Now look at those same standards.

A standard is constantly changing and relative, no matter what.