I do.

[QUOTE=bwnstl]I agree, NIN is NOT industrial. But real industrial is nowhere near the harshest music that exists.[/QUOTE]
what genre would you consider as [B]the[/B] harshest? the hardly listenable music ever...?

[QUOTE=PeEpHoLe_10]Does anyone else think The Great Below is one of NIN best songs?[/QUOTE]
The Great Below is great, but i prefer '...And All That Could Have Been'. the composition of the whole song blow me away... its beautiful

[QUOTE=repcak]

The Great Below is great, but i prefer '...And All That Could Have Been'. the composition of the whole song blow me away... its beautiful[/QUOTE]
I agree. 'The Great Below' is an awesome song but 'AATCHB' is just...beautiful. Definately one of my favorite NIN songs. I'm really REALLY hoping they play it during the upcoming tour. It would be just great.

[QUOTE=Werny]Industrial reigns supreme...[/QUOTE]
Grind > Industrial

In terms of "sickness"

[QUOTE=misunderstood]I agree. 'The Great Below' is an awesome song but 'AATCHB' is just...beautiful. Definately one of my favorite NIN songs. I'm really REALLY hoping they play it during the upcoming tour. It would be just great.[/QUOTE]
i don't think NIN ever played AATCHB live...

[QUOTE=Magicaltroll]Grind > Industrial

In terms of "sickness"[/QUOTE]
i agree 150% :thumb:

[QUOTE=repcak]i don't think NIN ever played AATCHB live...
[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I don't think they have but at one of the Spiral chats he was asked whether there was any chance of playing 'And All That Could Have Been', and 'We're In this Together Now' (two of which have never been played live) and he responded.....'yes' and 'maybe'
So there's still hope..:p

No, Trent is not vegan as far as anyone knows. He just campaigned with PETA against the use of fur as a fashion statement.

I agree that the Great Below is an amazing, amazing song. But I also agree with the other people here that AATCHB is probably one of NIN's 3 best songs they've ever made.

And Repcak, I personally think things like The Dillinger Escape Plan and Death Metal make industrial sound like Disney theme songs, not to mention they're a lot more listenable and sonically interesting.

for me death metal is more accessible than industrial (and i speak of the original industrial ... not ministry, or nin)

So the NIN 2006 tour began this past Friday. Looks like the setlist has been changed a bit. "Even Deeper", "Star****ers, Inc", and "Mr.Self-Destruct" (which I'm most excited about) have been added..and some other ones as well. Just a heads up, I know alot of people had been quite disappointed because they weren't playing any California dates or New York City for that matter. Well, no worries! Looks like they're gonna head out on tour again over the summer this time hitting major cities at outdoor venues. *Hopefully they'll play Houston's Cynthia Woods Pavillion* There was a spiral chat conducted this past Friday...I was unfortunately unable to be there but I just got reading the transcript and looks like the rumors of a new [I]With_Teeth[/I] special packaging are true. The Broken Movie is never gonna be released so in the words of Reznor himself..."just download the fuvcker", heh. Anyway, Nothing too important was said at the chat.

wow... "even deeper" and "mr. selfdestruct" live?!... :( i wanna hear it... i dream would come true...

... with teeth special packaging?! never heard of this... do you know some more details?

Industrial artists tend to favor very harsh, loud static and crackling distortion, I think you have "harsh" confused with "heavy". Industrial isn't that heavy but it's very harsh and abrasive.

The Great Below is indeed one of the best NIN songs... the lyrics are actually decent, too. My favourites are The Great Below, Ripe, A Warm Place, Underneath It All, That's What I Get, Eraser, The Great Below, Last... so hard to pick!

[QUOTE=repcak]wow... "even deeper" and "mr. selfdestruct" live?!... :( i wanna hear it... i dream would come true...[/QUOTE]
Yeah, no kidding. I'm really hoping that when I go see them they do play those two. Seems like the setlist is changing every night. Yesterdays setlist included "Getting Smaller" and "The Big Comedown" but excluded 'Mr.Self-Destruct' and "Even Deeper"...I was really hoping for 'Just Like You Imagined'..one of my favorite NIN tracks but no luck. Oh well.

[QUOTE] with teeth special packaging?! never heard of this... do you know some more details?[/QUOTE]
I don't know much about this. I remember when With_Teeth had barely been released, there were rumors going around about Reznor having some 'master plan' or something. And that there was a reason why the album didn't include a booklet..but that everything would become clear later. I dont know, but during the last spiral chat, he was asked "Trent, last summer there were rumors about a special packaging of with_teeth that would include an essay written by you... any truth to it? "
And his response was simply "yes".

There's a [I]With_Teeth[/I] deluxe book that is, according to Trent, still in the works..so perhaps this has something to do with the whole special packaging. Who knows.

The Great Below is a great song, but I think it's spoiled a little by being so obvious an attempt to write another Hurt.

[QUOTE=Bartender]The Great Below is a great song, but I think it's spoiled a little by being so obvious an attempt to write another Hurt.[/QUOTE]
I never thought of it that way; but part of what makes Hurt so great is what comes before it--it's the conclusion to an emotionally draining and sometimes disturbing album. Whereas The Great Below is the end of the Right disc of the Fragile, which is slightly more epic and has less weight on its shoulders.

Yeah, but that's not really a defence of The Great Below; just more reasons why Hurt is better and TGB is something of a failure in trying to replicate it. But anyway, thinking about the songs atomistically; it's not even just that the writing, and the feel of the performance, are similar - some of the melody progressions and stuff actually sound the same

Regardless, both great songs.

[QUOTE=Kage]I never thought of it that way; but part of what makes Hurt so great is what comes before it--it's the conclusion to an emotionally draining and sometimes disturbing album. Whereas The Great Below is the end of the Right disc of the Fragile, which is slightly more epic and has less weight on its shoulders.[/QUOTE]

It's actually the end of the Left disc....
And I actually think The Fragile is MORE epic, it just kind of fell flat on it's face after the perfection of TDS. And I don't feel TGB being inferior. I actually prefer it, because I think it has more atmosphere (taken atomistically, of course).

Ah, that's what I meant. I was thinking of the correct disc, just a Freudian slip I suppose.

But, yeah, the Fragile is more epic, and I love TGB as the conclusion to the Left disc, just as much as Hurt is to its respective album. Both songs do a great job of adding closure to what you've just heard.

Ripe With Decay might beat them all, though!

[QUOTE=Kage]Ah, that's what I meant. I was thinking of the correct disc, just a Freudian slip I suppose.

But, yeah, the Fragile is more epic, and I love TGB as the conclusion to the Left disc, just as much as Hurt is to its respective album. Both songs do a great job of adding closure to what you've just heard.

Ripe With Decay might beat them all, though![/QUOTE]

EH, it's not my favorite, but it's pretty good. That piano riff in the middle is damn creepy though.

Ripe is so gorgeous with that guitar riff, and the crickets chirping, and the freaky piano... it sounds like something has just died, or is dying. It's my favourite album closer, shame that the majority of the 2nd disc is horrible trash. It's great when you listen to both discs all the way through.

I never liked Hurt. It has retarded production and effects in it. It starts off great and then sounds like a machine breaking down. Good for the theme of the album, but it sounds horrible.

Wait....what retarded effects?

I'm heading out to the concert tonight, it's gonna be great. Only problem is that my friend cancelled and it's not that easy finding students that can go to a concert on a school night.

[QUOTE=bwnstl]
And I actually think The Fragile is MORE epic..[/QUOTE]

Well if you just want to equate being epic flatly with length, then sure. The Fragile can't help but be longer. It doesn't go anywhere (like The Downward Spiral does), though.

[QUOTE=bwnstl]Wait....what retarded effects?[/QUOTE]
I take it to mean the white noise/static-y sound in the background the whole time.

[QUOTE=Bartender]Well if you just want to equate being epic flatly with length, then sure. The Fragile can't help but be longer. It doesn't go anywhere (like The Downward Spiral does), though.[/QUOTE]

I don't equate it with length, I think Reznor actually meant it to be "more." Of course, that didn't work so well (although it's still a great album), but I think he meant it to mean more and be musically worth more and everything. I didn't mean just by length.

[QUOTE=Kage]I take it to mean the white noise/static-y sound in the background the whole time.[/QUOTE]

I think that's an appropriate end to the album, considering what happens.

NP: Terrible Lie.

[QUOTE=bwnstl]I don't equate it with length, I think Reznor actually meant it to be "more." Of course, that didn't work so well (although it's still a great album), but I think he meant it to mean more and be musically worth more and everything. I didn't mean just by length.[/QUOTE]

Interesting question raised there; does that he meant it to be have anything to do with anything? I don't imagine anyone* sets out with the intention of making anything less than a great album, but you can't say no one ever falls short of that. He might have intended it to be more epic, but that doesn't mean it is, by virtue of his intention. And I don't think it is.

*yes, yes, Lou Reed, maybe.

Well, I'm saying that you thought I was talking about length, and I was saying why I consider it to be more epic. Those are reasons why I consider it more epic, not me interpreting Trent's intentions or goals or anything. I just got the impression listening to it that Trent came to that album with much higher aspirations, and despite falling short I feel like the story within the album covers much more ground. I don't know, it's hard to argue this because I don't want to seem against TDS, even though I like it vastly more than The Fragile. And it's also hard to argue since it's mostly all subjective. But I just feel like TF is more epic, although less impressive. I don't feel how good the album is is an indicator of how epic it is, either.

[QUOTE=bwnstl]I think that's an appropriate end to the album, considering what happens.[/QUOTE]
I agree.

I find TF to be more epic, simply because of the wider scope it covers than TDS.

That concert was ****ing great, it almost seemed handpicked for me, despite a few songs I would have liked to have seen on there (like Last or Suck). Second best concert I've ever been to, and now I'm going to face a whole long ****ing day today.

[QUOTE=Kage]I agree.

I find TF to be more epic, simply because of the wider scope it covers than TDS.[/QUOTE]

123. you're like my soulmate, wanna do it? :p