The start begins a few months ago.

[QUOTE=cliff solos for all]anyone know when they start recording new album[/QUOTE]
They're writing now. I think they are recording too. Expect a release early 2006, possibly before Christmas this year to boost sales. If they're particularly lazy we might have to wait till next summer though...

Who's producing it? Bob Rock?

Has anyone heard Napster Begone or is it a joke?

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]The start begins a few months ago.[/QUOTE]

It is not accually official that they have started recording there new album yet :thumb:

I have just found some cool info and facts about songs of Metallicas, I will post a few of my favourites.

[COLOR=Red]Metallica - Turn the Page (Originally by Bob Seger 1973)[/COLOR]

It was the first single release of the "Garage Inc." album. Its video got a lot of attention because its story is about a prostitute.

The subject matter:
It is about the other side of a band's life on tour. The deafening silence after the audience leaves, the loneliness of hotel rooms and the stares in restaurants.

What Metallica says about it:
About three years before Metallica recorded "Garage Inc." Lars listened to Bob Seger's "Turn the Page" whilst he drove across the Golden Gate Bridge he was impressed how good Seger described the stupefying stuff the fans never see when a band is touring.

Lars: "That song has James Hetfield written all over it."

James: "I heard a song on the radio singing about the road life, a kind of somber, gruff, honest lyric in there. I kinda felt it could be Bob Seger, but the lyric and song itself was great. So it's all to do with that song rather than Bob Seger itself. The lyrics are us. We've been road dogs since day 1."

[COLOR=Red]Leper Messiah[/COLOR]

Because of the instrumental style of the song it has also become one of Cliff's trademark songs for many fans.

The song live:
The first time the song has been played live was in the "100 Club" in London, England on a secret gig which has been afterwards called "Damage Inc." on August 20th '87. The entire song has been only played live various times on tour between '87-'89 and once in '92. On the Load tour Metallica played it instrumentally as a pre-encore jam. Such a "Leper Messiah" jam is also included on "Cunning Stunts" which was filmed in September 1997 in Fort Worth, Texas.

Jaymz's dedication:
Once on tour James sarcastically dedicated the song to Jim and Tammy Fey Baker, two TV evangelists who embezzled millions of dollars of charity money.

The claimed credits:
Dave Mustaine claimed he wrote the song's main riff and was not given credit by Metallica. The matter was settled quietly.


The subject matter:
It is about so called messiahs who make a good profit on other people's faith.

"Send me money, send me green"
"Heaven you will meet"
"Make a contribution"
"And you'll get a better seat"


[COLOR=Red]Master of Puppets [/COLOR]

I accually never knew Master of puppets was about drug addictions :amaze:

About drug addiction

"End of passion play, crumbling away"
"I'm your source of self-destruction"
- I = drug will kill you
"Veins that pump with fear, sucking darkest clear"
- The darkest = heroin
"Leading on your death's construction"
- It is determining your fate
"Taste me you will see"
"More is all you need"
- Become addicted
"You're dedicated to"
"How I'm killing you"

"Come crawling faster"
"Obey your master"
- Master = drug
"Your life burns faster"
"Obey your master"
"Master"

"Master of puppets I'm pulling your strings"
- The drug is now controlling you
"Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams"
- The impact of the drug
"Blinded by me, you can't see a thing"
- Can't see that it's killing you
"Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream"
"Master"
"Master"
"Just call my name, 'cause I'll hear you scream"
"Master"
"Master"

"Needlework the way, never you betray"
- Needlework = fixing
"Life of death becoming clearer"
"Pain monopoly, ritual misery"
- You're playing with your life
"Chop your breakfast on a mirror"
- Breakfast = taking cocaine on a mirror; or heroin if mirror = spoon
"Taste me you will see"
"(...)"

"Come crawling faster"
"(...)"

"Master of puppets I'm pulling your strings"
"(...)"

Theres a lot of interesting stuff like that on encycmet.com.

[QUOTE=LarsAgi007]It is not accually official that they have started recording there new album yet :thumb:

I have just found some cool info and facts about songs of Metallicas, I will post a few of my favourites.

[COLOR=Red]Metallica - Turn the Page (Originally by Bob Seger 1973)[/COLOR]

It was the first single release of the "Garage Inc." album. Its video got a lot of attention because its story is about a prostitute.

The subject matter:
It is about the other side of a band's life on tour. The deafening silence after the audience leaves, the loneliness of hotel rooms and the stares in restaurants.

What Metallica says about it:
About three years before Metallica recorded "Garage Inc." Lars listened to Bob Seger's "Turn the Page" whilst he drove across the Golden Gate Bridge he was impressed how good Seger described the stupefying stuff the fans never see when a band is touring.

Lars: "That song has James Hetfield written all over it."

James: "I heard a song on the radio singing about the road life, a kind of somber, gruff, honest lyric in there. I kinda felt it could be Bob Seger, but the lyric and song itself was great. So it's all to do with that song rather than Bob Seger itself. The lyrics are us. We've been road dogs since day 1."

[COLOR=Red]Leper Messiah[/COLOR]

Because of the instrumental style of the song it has also become one of Cliff's trademark songs for many fans.

The song live:
The first time the song has been played live was in the "100 Club" in London, England on a secret gig which has been afterwards called "Damage Inc." on August 20th '87. The entire song has been only played live various times on tour between '87-'89 and once in '92. On the Load tour Metallica played it instrumentally as a pre-encore jam. Such a "Leper Messiah" jam is also included on "Cunning Stunts" which was filmed in September 1997 in Fort Worth, Texas.

Jaymz's dedication:
Once on tour James sarcastically dedicated the song to Jim and Tammy Fey Baker, two TV evangelists who embezzled millions of dollars of charity money.

The claimed credits:
Dave Mustaine claimed he wrote the song's main riff and was not given credit by Metallica. The matter was settled quietly.


The subject matter:
It is about so called messiahs who make a good profit on other people's faith.

"Send me money, send me green"
"Heaven you will meet"
"Make a contribution"
"And you'll get a better seat"[/QUOTE]
Is that from encycmet?

[QUOTE=metalcritter666]Is that from encycmet?[/QUOTE]

No its from a website i often visit called [url]www.allmetallica.com[/url], I will give you a link to the page with them all on so you can have a good read :thumb:

[url]http://www.allmetallica.com/info/songinfo.php[/url]

I have been on encymet before, its a really good site.

[QUOTE=metalcritter666]They're writing now. I think they are recording too. Expect a release early 2006, possibly before Christmas this year to boost sales. If they're particularly lazy we might have to wait till next summer though...

Who's producing it? Bob Rock?

Has anyone heard Napster Begone or is it a joke?[/QUOTE]

They arent recording with Ol Bobby anymore :chug:
the next album should be more...well...better

[QUOTE=flamesofbodom]They arent recording with Ol Bobby anymore :chug:
the next album should be more...well...better[/QUOTE]

Since when are they not recording with Bob Rock???

howcome everyone thinks mustaine is better than hammet?i mean,kirk did cover all the solos on kill em all that dave did.and dave has never really done a fast solo to blow away kirk.and IMO they are about the same skill

[QUOTE=LarsAgi007]Since when are they not recording with Bob Rock???[/QUOTE]

They are. There was an April Folls joke that they fired him, wasnt funny when i found out it was a joke. :upset:

[QUOTE=willis2441]howcome everyone thinks mustaine is better than hammet?i mean,kirk did cover all the solos on kill em all that dave did.and dave has never really done a fast solo to blow away kirk.and IMO they are about the same skill[/QUOTE]

U know thats a good point. Ive always just gone along with the masses, but i am having second thoughts now.

They're not recording with bob rock? :confused:

[QUOTE=willis2441]howcome everyone thinks mustaine is better than hammet?i mean,kirk did cover all the solos on kill em all that dave did.and dave has never really done a fast solo to blow away kirk.and IMO they are about the same skill[/QUOTE]

Because Daves a better all round Guitarist.

[QUOTE=ThrashMaster27]Because Daves a better all round Guitarist.[/QUOTE]

Horrible argument.

Megadeth fanboy.

[QUOTE=flamesofbodom]They arent recording with Ol Bobby anymore :chug:
the next album should be more...well...better[/QUOTE]

Please tell me you didn't fall for the April Fool's joke

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]Please tell me you didn' fall for the April Fool's joke[/QUOTE]

I did :upset:

And i told people to, now i feel like an idiot.

So are they recording with Bob Rock or not?!?!?!?! Just to be sure.

And is the rumor on "Re-Anger" is true?! I hope tehre will be solos!

They are recording with bob, and IDK about the second question

[QUOTE=R. Blythe]Horrible argument.

Megadeth fanboy.[/QUOTE]

Oh, you want a structured argument? Ok.

You might wanna check how many writing credits Kirk Hammett gets on what are considered Metallicas best albums. It's not really a lot. I don't see anything special about Kirk Hammett at all. He can't write a riff to save his life, his solos from the Black Album onwards are uninspired and boring and even then most of his solos couldn't challenge people that are average on Guitar. Plus the fact he's one of the most horribly overrated Guitarists ever.

When Kirk comes up with as many quality riffs over the years as Dave has and invents his own style instead of copying peoples then maybe we can start comparing them.

'Tallica Fanboy.

Bob Rock ruins everyone....

I hate bob rock soooo much. They should get rid of him because if they screw up another album this will be their last.

[QUOTE=circlethedrain]I hate bob rock soooo much. They should get rid of him because if they screw up another album this will be their last.[/QUOTE]

I also dislike bob rock. But he doesnt deserve ALL the blame for there recent albums sucking. The only reason he gets so much sh!t is because the MEtallica fans dont want to say Metallica sucks they put out a bad album, they just want to say Bob Rock sucks. They also want to think that Metallica can still make another amazing album, so they blame it on Rock.

[QUOTE=ThrashMaster27]Oh, you want a structured argument? Ok.

You might wanna check how many writing credits Kirk Hammett gets on what are considered Metallicas best albums. It's not really a lot. I don't see anything special about Kirk Hammett at all. He can't write a riff to save his life, his solos from the Black Album onwards are uninspired and boring and even then most of his solos couldn't challenge people that are average on Guitar. Plus the fact he's one of the most horribly overrated Guitarists ever.

When Kirk comes up with as many quality riffs over the years as Dave has and invents his own style instead of copying peoples then maybe we can start comparing them.

'Tallica Fanboy.[/QUOTE]
yes but im talking about actual playing skill,kirk covered mustaines solos perfectly,now,why does everyone think dave is better?because he was the original?so what,dave has never done anything that is faster than hammets work,and hammet has never done anything that is better than daves work.im talkin about sheer skill on the guitar,now answer me that
megadeth fanboy

[QUOTE=FlyingPaul_83]They're not recording with bob rock? :confused:[/QUOTE]


Yes they are recording with bob rock, someone made up an April fools joke that the band had fired him though...I think bob rock is a good producer personally, I have saw him fill in for bassists, hes pretty good, and the music was not chose by bob, it was written by the band, all he does is mix the sound, and input ideas here and there... If he was really that bad Metallica would have fired him years ago, Besides they wanted him to be there new bassist anyway, but he said no!

Also, I have never thought Mustain was better than kirk, he was/will never be as creative as Kirk, Also kirk is about as fast as you can get, and besides its not speed that counts in a solo anyway, its quality and that does not come with speed!

Originally Posted by ThrashMaster27
Oh, you want a structured argument? Ok.

You might wanna check how many writing credits Kirk Hammett gets on what are considered Metallicas best albums. It's not really a lot. I don't see anything special about Kirk Hammett at all. He can't write a riff to save his life, his solos from the Black Album onwards are uninspired and boring and even then most of his solos couldn't challenge people that are average on Guitar. Plus the fact he's one of the most horribly overrated Guitarists ever.

When Kirk comes up with as many quality riffs over the years as Dave has and invents his own style instead of copying peoples then maybe we can start comparing them.

'Tallica Fanboy.

Firstly of all, Mustain better than Kirk bull ****!!!
Kirks solos accually get pretty **** high in solo listings and he gets the credit he deserves for his work...
Whats this about him not being able to write a riff to save his life??? Obviously i must have been mistaken when i listened to each album :rolleyes: Silly me thought there was riffs on them, Oh well i guess i have been confused for the past 23 years.. You need to look in the mirror, then slap yourself silly till you knock some sense into yourself, Megadeth fanboy....

p.s Mustain = Metallica reject :lol:
Another P.S = I got pwnd by the swear filter :lol:

I think Dave is a better guitar player technically, but I think Kirk's solos fit the songs better. Like Dave's solos are crazy fast and incredble technically, but Kirk's seem more melodic and rhythmic as well as most righteous shredding

You two are actling like children.

IMO Dave is better, but that isn't saying Kirk is a bad guitarist. He's good. But come on, obviously you two have different opinions that will never change.

and if dave was more creative than kirk why didnt he sell 90 million albums like metallica?he only has like 15 million sold

[QUOTE=willis2441]and if dave was more creative than kirk why didnt he sell 90 million albums like metallica?he only has like 15 million sold[/QUOTE]

The whole album sales thing is kinda bogus. Limp Bizkit sold more than Megadeth. Are you going to be the guy who says Limp Bizkit is better than Megadeth? I'd rather hang myself.

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]The whole album sales thing is kinda bogus. Limp Bizkit sold more than Megadeth. Are you going to be the guy who says Limp Bizkit is better than Megadeth? I'd rather hang myself.[/QUOTE]
shut the [SIZE=2]f[/SIZE]uck up

[QUOTE=willis2441]shut the [SIZE=2]f[/SIZE]uck up[/QUOTE]

just cause he's right doesn't mean you can be a jerk off

[QUOTE=Rasta Rockerstat3]just cause he's right doesn't mean you can be a jerk off[/QUOTE]
hes saying that im saying that limp bizkit is better than megadeth,did i say that?no.but he made it look like i said that,so hes basically putting words in my mouth

[QUOTE=willis2441]shut the [SIZE=2]f[/SIZE]uck up[/QUOTE]

Wow, did I tell you to shut the **** up like a total jackass? Don't get so offended. If your going to act like that whenever someone doesn't agree with what you say, be prepared to live a lonely life.

I was just saying album sales differ for different reasons than quality of music. Different labels can promote differently, some may advertise more than others, etc...

[QUOTE=willis2441]hes saying that im saying that limp bizkit is better than megadeth,did i say that?no.but he made it look like i said that,so hes basically putting words in my mouth[/QUOTE]

I didn't say that at all. I was reminding you that what you said wasn't true in every case. Your putting words IN MY mouth.

ok back to the subject kirk and dave are equal at guitar IMO

Lets just end the argument here guys, lets talk rationally because a mod will already be un-happy with the above posts and may even temp ban! I would edit or delete your posts, and speak rationally, opinions are subjective, NOT objective, I like kirk more than dave, You dont, whats the big deal?? Its my opinion and no-one can blame be for having that opinion.. Its just mine, and your opinions are just yours....

I would say Dave only because he is a better riffwriter and songwriter than Kirk. Solo wise, I think Kirk has the edge.

[quote]hes saying that im saying that limp bizkit is better than megadeth,did i say that?no.but he made it look like i said that,so hes basically putting words in my mouth[/quote]

Hes citing Megadeth and Limp Bizkit's sales as an example of how a (crappy) band can sell more albums than an amazing one..

[b]EDIT:[/b] Is this thread going really fast, or am I just really slow :confused:

[QUOTE=Creeping_Deth]I would say Dave only because he is a better riffwriter and songwriter than Kirk. Solo wise, I think Kirk has the edge.[/QUOTE]
I agree.

[QUOTE=willis2441]and if dave was more creative than kirk why didnt he sell 90 million albums like metallica?he only has like 15 million sold[/QUOTE]

Dont forget metallica has james, and megadeth doesn't. James and Lars are the reason why metallica is successful. They're not the best, but they know their way around. Metallica would have been this successful or maybe a little less (but still far more successful than megadeth) with almost any guitarist that isn't a bad soloist. I like kirk more than megadeth, but that's because I dont like megadeth due to vocals which I dislike. Im sure I'd like dave's solos as well if I listened to megadeth, but really, reason I listen to metallica is all of them and not just kirk. And I like james > kirk anyways. :thumb:

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]The whole album sales thing is kinda bogus. Limp Bizkit sold more than Megadeth. Are you going to be the guy who says Limp Bizkit is better than Megadeth? I'd rather hang myself.[/QUOTE]

Limp Bizkit are totally different genre. That's like comparing Britney spears, eminem, etc. to blind guardian, dragonforce, and iron maiden's record sales. Obviously, britney spears and eminem sold more than those. Limp Bizkit are pop/nu metal, and they're on tv more than some pop genre stars.

[QUOTE=PepsiMetal]
Limp Bizkit are totally different genre. That's like comparing Britney spears, eminem, etc. to blind guardian, dragonforce, and iron maiden's record sales. Obviously, britney spears and eminem sold more than those. Limp Bizkit are pop/nu metal, and they're on tv more than some pop genre stars.[/QUOTE]

Okay, put it this way:

If Limp Bizkit put out another record that somehow become an 80s stlye thrash record, it would still sell more, because they are Limp Bizkit and get more publicity. Same goes for Metallica. They get tons more publicity than Megadeth.

But if ur talking straight up guitar skill

Kirk=Dave