[QUOTE=gocaps99]Well I agree with him because I think technically he was the least skilled out of them all.[/QUOTE]

Even if it's true, it didn't deserve to be said, and it had nothing to do with the subject in the first place.

[QUOTE=Burningjesus]It happens in every live performance of theirs you must not have much knowledge of live shows.+ jason newsted was the worst ever band member of metallica![/QUOTE]

Im gonna have to disagree with that and say Lloyd Grant. He was useless.

Also without jason there would be no black album, and no ajfa so i think he was a big part of the band, u cant just go out and say hes the worst member.

Plus Rob hasnt proven himself to be anything super amazing yet, we will have to wait and see what he wrote on the new album coming out soon(hopefully).

he was such a retard and he had no soul while playing just he was just with the band for money and as soon as he made his wealth he wanted to do projects with other bands disrespecting the rest of the band.

[QUOTE=Burningjesus]It happens in every live performance of theirs you must not have much knowledge of live shows.+ jason newsted was the worst ever band member of metallica![/QUOTE]

Geez i just barely finish complimenting your attitude and then you go and say something stupid like that. If you have a controversial opinion, at least try to justify it by explaining why you feel that way.

He was in Metallica for so long, I think he definatly proved his loyalty to the band.
Wanting to branch out and do side projects isn't disrespect, it was musical exploration. And Jason put in a better stage performance than Rob does, and he can sing better.

Seek and Destroy was my favourite song.

[QUOTE=munky_magik]He was in Metallica for so long, I think he definatly proved his loyalty to the band.
Wanting to branch out and do side projects isn't disrespect, it was musical exploration. And Jason put in a better stage performance than Rob does, and he can sing better.[/QUOTE]

So did you see Rob on stage this past tour? I've seen Jason DVD's and Rob live and I'm going to have to say your wrong on your last point. I think it was ok for him to spread out and get things out he couldn't in Metallica

[QUOTE]Im gonna have to disagree with that and say Lloyd Grant. He was useless.
Also without jason there would be no black album, and no ajfa so i think he was a big part of the band, u cant just go out and say hes the worst member.

Plus Rob hasnt proven himself to be anything super amazing yet, we will have to wait and see what he wrote on the new album coming out soon(hopefully).[/QUOTE]
And I am going to disagree with you. There are many questions that can be asked, all leading from one major question,"What if Cliff never died?"

What makes you think there would be no black album and no ajfa? They might have been better. Did you really hear ANY bass riffs on ajfa? Cliff was a better bassist than Jason. And we'll check out this new album to see what Rob can do.

[QUOTE=Burningjesus]he was such a retard and he had no soul while playing just he was just with the band for money and as soon as he made his wealth he wanted to do projects with other bands disrespecting the rest of the band.[/QUOTE]

He had no soul? Hey, I guess him running around the stage 30 times every 2 minutes and headbanging EVERY song (except possibly Fade to Black), whether he had long hair or not at the time, hey, I guess that doesn't count as soul. I guess his take-over of vocals during songs isn't soul, yeah?

As someone else said, side projects does not equal disrespecting the band.

I think that Jason vs. Rob in case of stage presence could be a segment-by-segment basis, because sometimes Rob will do the crabwalk and play to the crowd, and sometimes he just stands there. Sometimes Jason stood there and did the windmill, and sometimes he just stood there playing with a blank look on his face (Example: S&M, Outlaw Torn, about 30 seconds before Kirk's solo)

[QUOTE=gocaps99]

What makes you think there would be no black album and no ajfa? They might have been better. Did you really hear ANY bass riffs on ajfa? Cliff was a better bassist than Jason. And we'll check out this new album to see what Rob can do.[/QUOTE]

Ya, the bass was pretty much non existent in AJFA. I don't think that was really Jason's fault though. He did his part, they just chose to basically drown it out. I feel sorry for Jason for how badly he was treated when he was with Metallica. That mtvicon production really opened my eyes toward how much he had to go through.

[QUOTE=Burningjesus]he was such a retard and he had no soul while playing just he was just with the band for money and as soon as he made his wealth he wanted to do projects with other bands disrespecting the rest of the band.[/QUOTE]
Metallica never gave him an oppurtunity to write, maybe twice or thrice did he ever really contribute anything. It was kinda like "You just play what we write, and look good!" for the whole time he was in Metallica Jason put on some magnificent performances.
Just have a look at any of the DVDs which include Jason, he's always putting in effort. If he was in the band just for money, I don't think he'd try so hard.
When he left Metallica, I think he saw them as a sinking ship and took the oppurtunity to jump before they brought him down too, people make mistakes.
I always saw Jason *trying* to fit in, but no one would let him.
Just after the big show of pyrotechnics in Cunnining Stunts, for example. When they're all talking about Kirk's wizbang awesome looking guitar, James says something, and everyone gets off, but then when Jason says something, no one reacts. *By the way, I haven't seen the concert in a while, someone who has recently seen it, please refresh that, it doesn't seem right.
I don't think people saw Jason as a full band member, but rather as a part time replacement.

I think that if cliff hadnt died the band would have been alot better as everyone seems to say that their earlier stuff was the best the only difference in the band from puppets to ajfa was newsted and cliff.

Definately.
I sort of feel, Kirk is replicable, Cliff was irraplacable, thus if Kirk and Cliff had never swapped seats, Metallica would be different...

[QUOTE=Chu]Definately.
I sort of feel, Kirk is replicable, Cliff was irraplacable, thus if Kirk and Cliff had never swapped seats, Metallica would be different...[/QUOTE]

Well if they had a different driver Metallica would be different too now wouldn't they? Or if it was a bigger bus with more bunks?

RTL and MOP were tight albums, but i still think that ajfa kicked ***. Maybe its just the first metallica album i ever got into

[QUOTE=Burningjesus]I think that if cliff hadnt died the band would have been alot better as everyone seems to say that their earlier stuff was the best the only difference in the band from puppets to ajfa was newsted and cliff.[/QUOTE]

Ok your right. Now can you comment on the other stuff you said that everyone flamed?

Who here absolutely hates punk music and punks!

I do. I ****in hate green day. there is no talent whatsoever.

[QUOTE=_xxBLACKENEDxx_]I do. I ****in hate green day. there is no talent whatsoever.[/QUOTE]

Burningjesus, _xxBLACKENEDxx_

I know you both are noobs, but I'm sure I'm not alone in saying this

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You guys aren't thinking at all. You don't just say some band has no talent. How do you think they got a record deal? How do you think they've been this popular for so long? They obviously have something that people like. And as for the rest of punk, I don't like it but it's not bad. It's not as skillful as music like metal, but that's what punk is. It's easy chord progressions and cool lyrics. Saying that punkies and green day have no talent is complete bull sh[COLOR=White]it[/COLOR].

[QUOTE=gocaps99]Burningjesus, _xxBLACKENEDxx_

I know you both are noobs, but I'm sure I'm not alone in saying this

[SIZE=3][COLOR=Red]QUIT IT[/COLOR][/SIZE]

You guys aren't thinking at all. You don't just say some band has no talent. How do you think they got a record deal? How do you think they've been this popular for so long? They obviously have something that people like. And as for the rest of punk, I don't like it but it's not bad. It's not as skillful as music like metal, but that's what punk is. It's easy chord progressions and cool lyrics. Saying that punkies and green day have no talent is complete bull sh[COLOR=White]it[/COLOR].[/QUOTE]

oh yeah their lyrics are real cool all they talk about is how bad there parents are and how people want them to be successfull theyre a bunch of no talent losers. i spose you think that good charlotte are good at playing their instruments considering they dress like goths play rap music and say their punk!

[QUOTE=Burningjesus]Who here absolutely hates punk music and punks![/QUOTE]

Just so you know, this is NOT the only thread in the forum. It would be greatly appreciated if you spared the Metallica thread of your ignorant posts. ESPECIALLY THOSE NOT REGARDING METALLICA.

[QUOTE=Burningjesus]oh yeah their lyrics are real cool all they talk about is how bad there parents are and how people want them to be successfull theyre a bunch of no talent losers. i spose you think that good charlotte are good at playing their instruments considering they dress like goths play rap music and say their punk![/QUOTE]

that's not true. have you heard any punk??? and no, i don't think they are good, but they have to have some talent to get a record deal. you're doing a terrible job at proving your point, noob.

well i thought that the perfect place to find punk haters would be with fellow metallica lovers. anyway i want to know what peoples favourite metallica song is mines [B]seek and destroy.[/B]

[QUOTE=Burningjesus]well i thought that the perfect place to find punk haters would be with fellow metallica lovers. anyway i want to know what peoples favourite metallica song is mines [B]seek and destroy.[/B][/QUOTE]

Trying to get off topic won't help you. Learn to think, logically, before you post.

Mine's Fade to Black

Hey, Burningjesus, take a look at your band Metallica. Know how they were thrash at the beginning? Know where they got that attitude? PUNK. Thrash metal is punk attitude and speed mixed with rock elements, IIRC. Step off your high horse and stop thinking that Green Day and Good Charlotte are the epitomy (SP?) of punk, douche.

[QUOTE=vashts80]Hey, Burningjesus, take a look at your band Metallica. Know how they were thrash at the beginning? Know where they got that attitude? PUNK. Thrash metal is punk attitude and speed mixed with rock elements, IIRC. Step off your high horse and stop thinking that Green Day and Good Charlotte are the epitomy (SP?) of punk, douche.[/QUOTE]

remind me tomorrow that you deserve good rep, k?

Disposable Heroes.

[QUOTE=Burningjesus]well i thought that the perfect place to find punk haters would be with fellow metallica lovers. anyway i want to know what peoples favourite metallica song is mines [B]seek and destroy.[/B][/QUOTE]

:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

Punk is great. Go somewhere else for your punk hating...

My favorite Metallica song is Trapped Under Ice. I know, I'm a wierdo.

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]:angry: :angry: :angry: :angry:

Punk is great. Go somewhere else for your punk hating...

My favorite Metallica song is Trapped Under Ice. I know, I'm a wierdo.[/QUOTE]

Yes you are. :lol: jk

I don't think you're a weirdo, i like that song a lot. My favorite metallica song is probably creeping death

everytime i hear metallica i have a diffrent favorite, so i cant just pick one, ya know
so many god-like riffs and solo's and just the whole flow of the songs, ive listened to metallica for 12 out of the 20 years of my life and everytime i listen its still awe-inspiring and almost unexplainable how they make such masterpieces.

-**** that was long!