[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby]Where is it at exactly?[/QUOTE]Dunno, I need to ask my friend who told me.

[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby]Well, but Minor Threat are old school hardcore (or OG hardcore, as I like to call it), and Hatebreed are metalcore. There really is a difference.[/QUOTE]

Nice post, I believe you get the award for biggest idiot who doesn't know a thing about metalcore if you call Hatebreed metalcore. THANK YOU YOUR IGNORANCE IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.

[QUOTE=cbmartinez24]Poison the Well is going on tour with DEP. That should be cool. But I'm still crying over Derek leaving.[/QUOTE]

Wow and you've got no musical taste at all. How about crying how DMITRI, DEP's old singer left and now they've got this new guy who can't touch DMITRI...Most likely I butchered his name but w/e you get the jist of it.

Now if anyone has questions about hardcore/metalcore/grind/emocore/screamo your questions should be directed to me. And some of you might think "who does this guy think he is" I know my crap about these genres and if you let me explain it I can show you so easily but I hate ignorant kids honestly.

So you hate yourself?

wow. the kid likes ptw. big ****ing deal. jackass.

[QUOTE=mikewhat]wow. the kid likes ptw. big ****ing deal. jackass.[/QUOTE]

I don't see why when they are the biggest sack of crap ever since they released stuff after "The Opposite of December" and it wasn't the same. Heh, face it, PTW needs to call it quits immediately. They've sold out enough for one band..And changed members enough for two.

[QUOTE=xdeadtomorrowx]I don't see why when they are the biggest sack of crap ever since they released stuff after "The Opposite of December" and it wasn't the same. Heh, face it, PTW needs to call it quits immediately. They've sold out enough for one band..And changed members enough for two.[/QUOTE]I think I just came up with a ground breaking concept! PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES!

Oh and Hatebreed are metalcore.

[QUOTE=shane italian]I think I just came up with a ground breaking concept! PEOPLE HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES!

Oh and Hatebreed are metalcore.[/QUOTE]


HAHAHA, ooooooookay... Prove to me, how are they metalcore? So if you call Hatebreed metalcore, then so is Throwdown and every other tough guy band that tunes low and has vocals like that. And I assure you, that's lots of bands buddy. Just keep it down before I burn your ***.

Hatebreed isn't metalcore. Metalcore isn't just about breakdowns and drop D tuning, there's more to it. There's more metaphoric speaking in their lyrics more like emo I guess and it's not so straight foward. I can go into further detail and shame you all if you wish.

Metalcore tends to be more Drop C. Throwdown is metalcore.

[QUOTE=xdeadtomorrowx]HAHAHA, ooooooookay... Prove to me, how are they metalcore? So if you call Hatebreed metalcore, then so is Throwdown and every other tough guy band that tunes low and has vocals like that. And I assure you, that's lots of bands buddy. Just keep it down before I burn your ***.

Hatebreed isn't metalcore. Metalcore isn't just about breakdowns and drop D tuning, there's more to it. There's more metaphoric speaking in their lyrics more like emo I guess and it's not so straight foward. I can go into further detail and shame you all if you wish.[/QUOTE]Sorry to break it to you but Throwdown don't sound exactly like Hatebreed. They don't Chug their way through a song.

P.S. Maybe I should update the lists.

[QUOTE=shane italian]Sorry to break it to you but Throwdown don't sound exactly like Hatebreed. They don't Chug their way through a song.[/QUOTE]

First off, who said they were exactly alike? Second off I was just stating the fact that both of them have the drop tuning with chugging and breakdowns. That doesn't make them metalcore at all.

[QUOTE=Sk8SkaNJ]Metalcore tends to be more Drop C. Throwdown is metalcore.[/QUOTE]

Throwdown is not metalcore you idiot. So what if their new album makes them seem metalcore? They aren't. Metalcore doesn't talk about straight edge, they are tough guy, their lyrics prove it. Metalcore isn't in Drop C. It might sound like it but it's mostly in Drop D.

[QUOTE=xdeadtomorrowx]First off, who said they were exactly alike? Second off I was just stating the fact that both of them have the drop tuning with chugging and breakdowns. That doesn't make them metalcore at all.[/QUOTE]Listen to pre-Haymaker TD, sorry but I don't hear nothing but chugs.

[QUOTE=shane italian]Listen to pre-Haymaker TD, sorry but I don't hear nothing but chugs.[/QUOTE]

Exactly, hence why they AREN'T METALCORE. Metalcore chugs in some parts just during breakdowns but thats it man, the rest isn't like that. Hatebreed isn't metalcore, they don't have comprehensive[if they are to you or not regardless] riffs like metalcore does. Metalcore doesn't have lyrics like that, they don't dress [although it seems fashionxcore, you can tell] like metalcore kids and don't act like them either. Do you see kids doing spin kicks in Hatebreed videos? NOPE!!!!! ALL OLD SCHOOL DANCING WHICH MEANS WHAT? THEY ARE TOUGH GUY...THANKS.

anyone who thinks throwdown and hatebreed is metalcore are idiots.

[QUOTE=xdeadtomorrowx]Exactly, hence why they AREN'T METALCORE. Metalcore chugs in some parts just during breakdowns but thats it man, the rest isn't like that. Hatebreed isn't metalcore, they don't have comprehensive[if they are to you or not regardless] riffs like metalcore does. Metalcore doesn't have lyrics like that, they don't dress [although it seems fashionxcore, you can tell] like metalcore kids and don't act like them either. Do you see kids doing spin kicks in Hatebreed videos? NOPE!!!!! ALL OLD SCHOOL DANCING WHICH MEANS WHAT? THEY ARE TOUGH GUY...THANKS.[/QUOTE]I still disagree, but this isn't a big deal. We get the jist of things and these bands are on the edge of both genres. I don't think it's that big of a deal as long as kids aren't freaking out about the HaRdCoRe It Dies Today show they went to last night.

[QUOTE=shane italian]I still disagree, but this isn't a big deal. We get the jist of things and these bands are on the edge of both genres. I don't think it's that big of a deal as long as kids aren't freaking out about the HaRdCoRe It Dies Today show they went to last night.[/QUOTE]

Granted, that is correct. Kids these days don't know what is what. I mean I saw in these threads that people called hopesfall hardcore. .hopesfall. is emocore just like life in your way. kthnxbye.

I mean It Dies Today already sold out cause they got on trustkill. Most bands that are on there are gayyy...Do you know that if a band makes a certain quota on the album sales they get automatically bumped up to Sony because of the deal Trustkill and Sony made, thats why Eighteen Vision is on a major now.

[QUOTE=xdeadtomorrowx]

I mean It Dies Today already sold out cause they got on trustkill. [/QUOTE]


joke?

[QUOTE=mikewhat]joke?[/QUOTE]

Hah, no, listen to their new stuff and now their old. It's more soft in their new stuff, and like I said, Trustkill is a part of Sony now so they make the bands downgrade I bet. I mean It Dies Today wasn't doing that bad either in the genre, they were okay, generic but okay none the less.

[QUOTE=xdeadtomorrowx]Granted, that is correct. Kids these days don't know what is what. I mean I saw in these threads that people called hopesfall hardcore. .hopesfall. is emocore just like life in your way. kthnxbye.

I mean It Dies Today already sold out cause they got on trustkill. Most bands that are on there are gayyy...Do you know that if a band makes a certain quota on the album sales they get automatically bumped up to Sony because of the deal Trustkill and Sony made, thats why Eighteen Vision is on a major now.[/QUOTE]I'm not that into 18V, especially after the new CD. But I can dig the new ITD only because I'm a bitch about the poppy psuedo-metalcore.

That deal with Trustkill is weird, I would only mind if WOJ or Terror got bumped because of show issues. But Sworn Enemy is on Elektra and they still get around to playing small venues.

You guys suck, ive never even had many real shows in hawaii, only a few local bands. None of those bands can afford to come to hawaii. I guess its the price I pay.

[QUOTE=shane italian]I'm not that into 18V, especially after the new CD. But I can dig the new ITD only because I'm a bitch about the poppy psuedo-metalcore.

That deal with Trustkill is weird, I would only mind if WOJ or Terror got bumped because of show issues. But Sworn Enemy is on Elektra and they still get around to playing small venues.[/QUOTE]

It won't happen, WOJ+BB=puresex. They are buddy buddy, they wouldn't do that, didn't you hear what happened when WOJ played in Boston a few weeks back?

Plus Terror won't ever happen. It just won't regardless of how AWESOME Lowest of the Low is and same with One With The Underdogs.

[QUOTE=xdeadtomorrowx]It won't happen, WOJ+BB=puresex. They are buddy buddy, they wouldn't do that, didn't you hear what happened when WOJ played in Boston a few weeks back?

Plus Terror won't ever happen. It just won't regardless of how AWESOME Lowest of the Low is and same with One With The Underdogs.[/QUOTE]Are you talking about when Sworn Enemy and WOJ played in Boston and were asked to take off their BB shirts? Cause there's a big thread with a ton of lil bitches whining about how gay BB and FSU are.

As for Terror, they could goto Sony for all I care, doesn't mean they won't keep owning.

[QUOTE=shane italian]Are you talking about when Sworn Enemy and WOJ played in Boston and were asked to take off their BB shirts? Cause there's a big thread with a ton of lil bitches whining about how gay BB and FSU are.

As for Terror, they could goto Sony for all I care, doesn't mean they won't keep owning.[/QUOTE]

Yeah that's the thing I'm talking about...BB and FSU are cool man, kids are just whiny little snuffs and can't take what hardcore really is when it comes down to it.

[QUOTE=xdeadtomorrowx]Yeah that's the thing I'm talking about...BB and FSU are cool man, kids are just whiny little snuffs and can't take what hardcore really is when it comes down to it.[/QUOTE]I like FSU and BB, if you look in the thread you will see my clear opinion on the subject. I feel the same way as you, and I think it's more just how life really is. I grew up in a crap suburb of Dallas with violence and crime out the ying yang. It's nothing new to me.

[QUOTE=xdeadtomorrowx]Do you see kids doing spin kicks in Hatebreed videos? [/QUOTE]
yes.

but i agree with you, i don't really think of throwdown and hatebreed as metalcore, even if they do have some metally parts.

I will repeat that I do not see Throwdown as metalcore...but they are close to crossing over the edge.

[QUOTE=xdeadtomorrowx]Nice post, I believe you get the award for biggest idiot who doesn't know a thing about metalcore if you call Hatebreed metalcore. THANK YOU YOUR IGNORANCE IS GREATLY APPRECIATED.[/QUOTE]

Hahaha, you're the guy that thinks they're tough guy right?

I rest my case.

[QUOTE=BuddyBigsby]Hahaha, you're the guy that thinks they're tough guy right?

I rest my case.[/QUOTE]Duderz, I need to find a way to LA.

[QUOTE=xdeadtomorrowx]HAHAHA, ooooooookay... Prove to me, how are they metalcore? So if you call Hatebreed metalcore, then so is Throwdown and every other tough guy band that tunes low and has vocals like that. And I assure you, that's lots of bands buddy. Just keep it down before I burn your ***.

Hatebreed isn't metalcore. Metalcore isn't just about breakdowns and drop D tuning, there's more to it. There's more metaphoric speaking in their lyrics more like emo I guess and it's not so straight foward. I can go into further detail and shame you all if you wish.[/QUOTE]

Hey idiot, too bad you just defined metalcore out of sarcasm. Don't forget Hatebreed have double bass, tremolo picking, the occasional whammy bar abuse, and triplets. All elements of metal. If you're going to say you know so much, make sure you actually do.

Also guys, I'm putting in a request to get him banned in the Site forum. Please go to the the problematic users thread and back me up.

[QUOTE=shane italian]Duderz, I need to find a way to LA.[/QUOTE]

Suckage. I'm working, so I can't go. And then I have Misery Signals and Premonitions of War that night.

Be like the super HC kids and quite your job for a show.

Ok, this xdeadtomorrowx kid really pisses me off, so I want to say something. Not so much because he has no idea what he's talking about when it comes to genres, but because he acts like he's big sh[font=verdana]i[/font]t because he can name a couple BR00TAL TEKK METAL bands and is probably the coolest of his fashion faggot friends (search his posts. He's a girls' jeans kid).

News flash dead: You know a good amount of bands and obviously listen to good music. Great. Too bad every band you've ever listed save for two or three I (and quite a few of the regulars in this thread) am already familiar with. You do not know more than anybody here when it comes to bands, and you DEFINITELY don't know more when it comes to genres. Seriously, what kind of an idiot says Hatebreed are tough guy? If you even bothered to pay attention to their lyrics, you'd see their lyrics are for the most part positive and very rarely resemble tough guy at all. Like I said in my other post, Hatebreed, along with other metalcore bands take the hardcore formula and add upon it elements of metal, such as: double bass, speed picking, Swedish inspired riffage, etc. Go listen to Slayer, and then listen to Hatebreed, and tell me with a straight face you don't hear influence.

Now back to you being Mr. Hardcore. No, you are not. Since you apparently think bands like Hatebreed are not metalcore, you must obviously be in the Atreyu, Darkest Hour, Black Dahlia Murder, As I Lay Dying = metalcore camp.

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.

Let's continue with evidence of your stupidity, shall we? You called It Dies Today sellouts. Well, excuse me, but I could've swore I saw you in the CD review for the new underoath talking about how good their new sound is. Yeah, they're real original man. It's not like they haven't increased their fanbase tenfold with the new album. Definitely not sellouts. But It Dies Today, hey, they put clean vocals in their music, so roll out the money train!

It seems to me that you got into hardcore a few months ago when all your friends we're still listening to nu-metal, and now that you can name 300 bands or so, you think you're king of the scene. Too bad you're about as good off as blind kid with a porno mag when it comes to having this information. You do not know more than anybody else. You are not cool. You are not better than anyone. Congratulations, you are mediocre.

I'm sorry, but someone saying Hatebreed is not metalcore is beyond retarded.

Bravo Buddy, BRAVO!

But I still don't consider Throwdown metalcore...

xdeadtomorrowx: "/me = b&"

[QUOTE=shane italian]Bravo Buddy, BRAVO!

But I still don't consider Throwdown metalcore...[/QUOTE]

I don't really either. The only thing that really makes them metal to me is the low tunings. They're borderline in my eyes. I wouldn't cast stones at anyone for calling them metalcore, and same goes for calling them hardcore.

So, I have a question:

IMO, Glass Casket and BTBAM = Grindcore/Metalcore

Any other bands like this?

Haha, turns out my attempt to get him ban succeeded.

This is a bittersweet victory. I hope he still sees that though. He seemed like a cool kid when he wasn't trying so hard.

Subtle:

The Red Chord were doing that sound before both those bands, so them. Deadwater Drowning are in that vein too, but with way more mosh and hardcore influence.