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willis2441 02-23-2005 10:54 AM

[QUOTE=LordDargon]I wasn't around back then, but going by pure stats, the best selling death metal is

Morbid Angel - Covenant
Cannibal Corpse - Bloodthirst
Deicide - Deicide
Obituary - World Demise[/QUOTE]
technically,cannibal corpse is "gore metal" according to some dudes list he posted from a fancy metal site awhile back,it had stupid sub genres like ice metal and scandenavian metal,pretty stupid $hit

DroneMaster 02-23-2005 11:59 AM

[QUOTE=Jondur]Aye there was a few around back then including the godly Master. But DroneMaster's "death are the equivalent to Korn" comment is still ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

I think you are just having a hard time grasping the concept..jeeez, it cant be that complicated !

DroneMaster 02-23-2005 12:43 PM

[QUOTE=Jondur]Actually the big albums that brought death metal to the mainstream were Morbid Angel "Domination", Carcass "Heartwork" and especially Obituary "World Demise" (last one made the top fifty!). Death were nowhere near the draw of those bands at the time.[/QUOTE]

Thing is, Carcass was well known overseas, not in US until later on...unless you was a hardcore death metal fan

Blood Venom 02-23-2005 12:51 PM

Can anyone tell me what Black Metal bands did actually worship Satan ? Was Mercyfull Fate one of them ?

DroneMaster 02-23-2005 02:23 PM

[QUOTE=Blood Venom]Can anyone tell me what Black Metal bands did actually worship Satan ? Was Mercyfull Fate one of them ?[/QUOTE]

You should ask steerpike, he knows everything here..or at least thats the perception he is pityfully trying to create

Steerpike 02-23-2005 02:33 PM

[QUOTE=Blood Venom]Can anyone tell me what Black Metal bands did actually worship Satan ? Was Mercyfull Fate one of them ?[/QUOTE]

No, King Diamond and Mercyful Fate aren't Satanists. Not many bands are actually. Most black metal bands I'm familiar with are either pagan or anti-Christian.

I think Varg Vikernes was a Satanist for a time, but that means very little because he'll probably be a deist next week and Shinto the week after.

Blood Venom 02-24-2005 02:24 PM

Do you know where Diabolic is originally from ? I dont know if you heard of them or not, but they been touring with Deicide, Cannibal Corpse and others

Steerpike 02-24-2005 02:34 PM

Can't say I'm familiar with them. As I said, death metal is not my forte. I'm a power metal junkie.

LegionsofMarduk 02-24-2005 02:40 PM

[QUOTE=Steerpike]No, King Diamond and Mercyful Fate aren't Satanists. Not many bands are actually. Most black metal bands I'm familiar with are either pagan or anti-Christian.

I think Varg Vikernes was a Satanist for a time, but that means very little because he'll probably be a deist next week and Shinto the week after.[/QUOTE]

According to Anton LeVay, King Diamond was one of the only true Satanic metal acts around. Of course LeVay was a fool so considering the source... And Yes, for a brief period Varg was a Satanist. Either he or Euronymous was quoted as saying "Yes, we worship the devil", refering to both of them, in an interview.

Members of Akercocke are practicing Satanists I believe. I don't know what type of Satanism though. That's kind of a hard questions to answer because there are a few different schools of thought when it comes to Satanism.

coolidgeALL 02-24-2005 02:41 PM

Metal, what an awesome genre.

Steerpike 02-24-2005 02:57 PM

[QUOTE=LegionsofMarduk]According to Anton LeVay, King Diamond was one of the only true Satanic metal acts around. Of course LeVay was a fool so considering the source...[/QUOTE]

LaVey also did not worship the Christian devil. He merely upheld Lucifer the Morningstar as an ideal of the struggle of the individual. Half the stuff he said was just to shock people. If nothing else, he was very good at pushing people's buttons.

Bartender 02-24-2005 04:45 PM

[QUOTE=LegionsofMarduk]
Members of Akercocke are practicing Satanists I believe. I don't know what type of Satanism though. That's kind of a hard questions to answer because there are a few different schools of thought when it comes to Satanism.[/QUOTE]

Their brand seems to be very much just the exemplification of the self, gratification of the desires and so on. I think I've seen them make mention of worshipping both women and Satan, though.

Blood Venom 02-25-2005 11:49 AM

?
 
Worshiping to women ?? How is that relevant to Satanism ?

craggyisland 02-25-2005 02:19 PM

Well, in Anton LaVey's brand of Satanism at least, naked women can be used as altars, since Satanism is regarded as a religion of the flesh, and not of the spirit.

Bartender 02-25-2005 06:14 PM

Ah, no, not that kind of worshipping. Just generally holding them to be worthy of admiration, respect, etc.

Deathcrush 02-25-2005 06:27 PM

That book was such a waste of my girlfriend's money.

Death to LaVey's Satanism.

Drone Master 02-28-2005 11:04 AM

I'm Baaack !!!
 
..Amen to that :thumb:




:wave:

Bartender 02-28-2005 12:06 PM

Go away, you've got nine days left to serve.

Johnny Dough 02-28-2005 02:11 PM

This Is Drone Master !!!
 
And To Jacka$$ Administrator Of This Thread And/or Site I'd Like To Say - Lick My Motherf*cking Balls !!! Same Goes For Steerpike, Lorddargon, Bartender And Everyone Else Who Has Problem With My Comments. You Can Ban Me Now... You Bunch Of Miserable Fagg0ts !!

Johnny Dough 02-28-2005 02:12 PM

[QUOTE=Bartender]Go away, you've got nine days left to serve.[/QUOTE]


No, but you can serve me for eternity tossing my salad :thumb:

Lav 02-28-2005 02:23 PM

that is a very good summary of metal. But i disagree that Nu-metal is the latest type. Nu-metal IMHO is actually dead, maybe i have become disconected from the genre but I believe the latest is either Hardcore Metal or Metalcore. They take alot of influences from modern hardcore Punk in the drums but the guitar riffs are fast and thrashy but contain breakdowns and middle 8's like slayer used to!! Examples of bands include Shadows fall (the saviours of metal)... All that Remains (Shadows fall but better!!)... Caliban and Killswitch Engage. The Guitars are useually downtuned but not always! The music is very Technical and if you like double bass drums and guitar riffage this is for you.

Steerpike 02-28-2005 02:25 PM

[QUOTE=Johnny Dough]And To Jacka$$ Administrator Of This Thread And/or Site I'd Like To Say - Lick My Motherf*cking Balls !!! Same Goes For Steerpike, Lorddargon, Bartender And Everyone Else Who Has Problem With My Comments. You Can Ban Me Now... You Bunch Of Miserable Fagg0ts !![/QUOTE]

I'd flame you... but you're so bad at trolling that it's not even worth the effort. You pretty much pwned yourself the instant you opened your mouth.

Steerpike 02-28-2005 02:26 PM

[QUOTE=Lav]Shadows fall (the saviours of metal)[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't go that far. You seen the European metal scene lately?

ninjamonkey 02-28-2005 02:28 PM

lol. the saviors.

it never died.

Blood Venom 02-28-2005 02:28 PM

[QUOTE=Lav]that is a very good summary of metal. But i disagree that Nu-metal is the latest type. Nu-metal IMHO is actually dead, maybe i have become disconected from the genre but I believe the latest is either Hardcore Metal or Metalcore. They take alot of influences from modern hardcore Punk in the drums but the guitar riffs are fast and thrashy but contain breakdowns and middle 8's like slayer used to!! Examples of bands include Shadows fall (the saviours of metal)... All that Remains (Shadows fall but better!!)... Caliban and Killswitch Engage. The Guitars are useually downtuned but not always! The music is very Technical and if you like double bass drums and guitar riffage this is for you.[/QUOTE]

Let's not forget Hatebreed. I think of them as of one of the most important metalcore bands ever

Bartender 02-28-2005 02:34 PM

[QUOTE=Johnny Dough]And To Jacka$$ Administrator Of This Thread And/or Site I'd Like To Say - Lick My Motherf*cking Balls !!! Same Goes For Steerpike, Lorddargon, Bartender And Everyone Else Who Has Problem With My Comments. You Can Ban Me Now... You Bunch Of Miserable Fagg0ts !![/QUOTE]

I gave you a very clear warning to stop spamming and sniping in the thread, and you didn't. Just wait out the length of the ban.

Invicta_Veritas 02-28-2005 02:49 PM

[QUOTE=Blood Venom]Let's not forget Hatebreed. I think of them as of one of the most important metalcore bands ever[/QUOTE]

Whilst Jasta is a Genius with business and working with other bands, I see hatebreeds influence in metalcore(if that's what you really think they are) as pretty nominal.

Decoy D 02-28-2005 02:52 PM

Once again... This is the unpredictable - Drone Master
 
[QUOTE=Steerpike]I'd flame you... but you're so bad at trolling that it's not even worth the effort. You pretty much pwned yourself the instant you opened your mouth.[/QUOTE]


Aaaarh !! The 'wiseazz fairy' has visited us again.. HA! The only reason why you 'decided' not to flame me is cause you all out of fire ! Dude face it, I have totally smoked you. Your pityfull "retaliations" has caused you not only embarassment, but totally exposed how pathetic you are as a writer, reader, commentator, reseacher, humorist, observer ...and I could go on and on. For all I know, I should find your mother and torture her to death for giving birth to a maggot like you. I'd sure be doing the world a huge favor. Now 'flame' that !!

Blood Venom 02-28-2005 03:06 PM

[QUOTE=atreyu_breakingbenjamin]Whilst Jasta is a Genius with business and working with other bands, I see hatebreeds influence in metalcore(if that's what you really think they are) as pretty nominal.[/QUOTE]

To add to that, Hatebreed definitely stands out as a live band. (as anything influenced by Slayer would, in my opinion). Also Killswitch Engage and Lamb of God have set trends in this genre

Steerpike 02-28-2005 03:08 PM

Does this guy ever quit? I mean, three accounts banned in less than two hours.

And his fixation on me in particular is getting kind of creepy.

Bartender, would you hold it against me if I requested to have him perma-banned if he tries **** like this again? This is seriously unhealthy behavior.


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