*sigh* Of course a discussion forum is a place to voice your not liking a band, but taking it to such an extreme in bullying people and out right ripping of a band is just immature and disrepectful. I don't think would have even seen me voicing my concern over people not liking Tool, if they don't like Tool, then thats ok, state so, and state a valid reason, but going as far as I hate tool because of the obsessive fan-base is just ridiculous, that has nothing to do with tool, people are voicing their opinion about how much they like Tool, in their opinion it might be such a good thing, but then you mock them and hate tool because someone can feel such a great connection with a band which is in their opinion perfectly fine. I just do not see your right in doing so.

Here is an alright place to voice their dislike, but honestly, why even go into a thread about Tool if you don't like them? why would you talk about something you don't like? and what the hell does the amount of posts have something to with anything? And never call me stoopid, I raised valid points and backed them up, I see nothing wrong with that.


Other than that responce, does anyone else notice the little bit that is off towards 9:30? like two guitar bits that are the same but one is louder and comes in after the one from 10000 days? If you try and cut noise from the first track to get it in line you stuff up the voices and drums after 9:30. I believe some minor alteration's are needed to make them line up into one song.

[QUOTE]Originally Posted by [B]OneEyedMan[/B]
[I]... if they don't like Tool, then thats ok, state so, and state a valid reason, but going as far as I hate tool because of the obsessive fan-base is just ridiculous ...[/I][/QUOTE]
But in making a decision on something you have to base it on all the aspects of it that you have available. I fully believe that a fanbase could put you off a band - the same way a salesperson could put you off a car or a congregation could put you off a church. Its really no different, in my eyes.

I still don't think you should let the fanbase of a band influence your opinion towards a band. Its not about the fans, its about the music and thats what matters, I hope we can both agree on that little tibit.

I also used Audacity to do the mixing [url]http://audacity.sourceforge.net/[/url]

It's free and has some very professional features, it's quite easy to use and I can't find anything wrong with it for my purposes.

I still can't synch the tracks exactly right yet. you have to cut some of somewhere and the start of Viginti Tres isn't working as the heavey bit with the guitar goes out or the drumming and the voices towards the end go out. Any one got any ideas?

[QUOTE=OneEyedMan]I still don't think you should let the fanbase of a band influence your opinion towards a band. Its not about the fans, its about the music and thats what matters, I hope we can both agree on that little tibit.[/QUOTE]
It's too bad Tool's music is bullsh[U]i[/U]t.

Well my take on all of this is simply that both sides, Tool haters and Tool fans, are right. First off, why would a Tool fan post this type of message in an Alternative & Indie forum other than to just gain publicity; is there really any other reason to do this? This is out of line because really Tool can be classified best as, "Prog Rock." Although you have to reflect that Tool has influenced bands, have created music with a message, and even won some awards for their work. To say that they are about as complex as piss on a sidewalk is grossly exaggerated. But to also say that they are God of all music just shows that the person doesn't really have a broad music selection. To hate a band because of it's fans is just plain ignorant. But to love a band because people say it's good is exactly the same ordeal. So you have to draw the line in the middle. Something I don't see in these forums so hopefully I can do that somewhat now in the form of showing both views.

What I can't understand is why would the OP post this in the Alternative & Indie section other than to just gain publicity for the band. This is obviously the first attack that sparked the flame war between Tool fans and haters. But to sit there and actually have something like this piss someone off reflects that person's mental additude. Basically, if you get offended by things on the internet then, chances are, you beat off to romance novels. Keep in mind that this goes both ways, Tool haters and fans. This is, by no means, an excuse to actually post something so destructive that it would actually start a flame war.

To further explain: Sure Tool has a rather large fan-base, mostly in Austrialia, that loves to express their zealous opinions like Tool is the only true, meaningful rock music. Who doesn't think this about their favorite band, really? Even Tool haters do this with statements that make the band seem like they are equivalant to only piss on a sidewalk. But before anyone posts, keep in mind to criticize the music; not the person. If a people start attacking others, then the thread becomes a whole immature mess that can't have any real value to a normal person reading nine pages worth of it in hopes of finding some value. (Waste a whole goddamn 15-30 minutes of my life)

I laugh whenever I find people who create their tastes in music by what others influence on them. Again, this goes for both sides fans and haters. It is so stupid to have other people influnce taste in music; or in anything really. It just goes to show how weakminded most individuals are. Please, form your own opinions on a topic and don't let media force feed you bull**** down your throat. So all in all, people should know that comments like "This music is revolutionary." And, "This music is such a piece of crap, don't even bother listening to it." Hinders a band's musical awareness greatly because of so many dim-witted people who just sit in front of the idiot-box all day, eating cheedoes, in order to get their infromation from the outside world. Basically, if you see comments like this, take them lightly because they are only opinions.

Overall I hope this clears up some of the choking air that is circulating within this post. Although I might not have made much sense or have been stating the obvious because I'm tired and flustered. But if there is anything to get out of this post, it would be this: Take opinions on forums lightly because if you take them seriously, chances are you need to re-evaluate your logic.

PS: How's that for first post? Heh. Oh and who is this band, "Flaming Lips?" What style of music are they?

"Dave Mathews band sucks. Anyone who is offended by this comment is the problem with this country. People who are offended shouldn't be asking themselves, why in the hell would anyone have a different opinion than me? No. What they should be asking themself is, why do I like such sh[U]i[/U]tty music?" -Daniel Tosh

[QUOTE=Off at work

PS: How's that for first post? Heh. Oh and who is this band, "Flaming Lips?" What style of music are they?[/QUOTE]

they're an awesome band from oklahoma who do like psychedelic surrealist acid-pop rock.

[quote]I laugh whenever I find people who create their tastes in music by what others influence on them.[/quote]

In the broadest sense, that is the only way people gain a taste in music.

PS I think this thread should be closed. Nobody should have bumped it after a month just to type a marathon of words about something nobody cares about anymore.

[QUOTE=YDload]In the broadest sense, that is the only way people gain a taste in music.[/QUOTE]

In broadest sense, yes. But it also shows how many people are lazy and dim-witted. Therefor they form their own opinions on what others around them feel. Eventually not creating individuality, or creativity, further leading to a pop-fanbase, and finally dimming the original qualities of a band/musician.

I hate pop...

[QUOTE=YDload]PS I think this thread should be closed. Nobody should have bumped it after a month just to type a marathon of words about something nobody cares about anymore.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. I've expressed my opinions so I'll let the post die in peace.

You're not going to have a very bright future here if you don't allow yourself to be influenced by the tastes of others. Not that you have to LIKE what people recommend to you, but this forum in particular is full of lots of people who listen to lots of different music. There's no shame in checking out whatever they think is awesome at the moment. If you stick around long enough, you'll find that you're eternally grateful to at least one user on this site for hawking a band you end up loving.

[QUOTE=YDload]You're not going to have a very bright future here if you don't allow yourself to be influenced by the tastes of others. Not that you have to LIKE what people recommend to you, but this forum in particular is full of lots of people who listen to lots of different music. There's no shame in checking out whatever they think is awesome at the moment. If you stick around long enough, you'll find that you're eternally grateful to at least one user on this site for hawking a band you end up loving.[/QUOTE]

There is a difference between influence and recognition. But maybe we should just let this post die.

Fine by me. But it seems like you enjoy typing up large paragraphs full of text, so maybe you should try your hand at writing album reviews.

[url]http://www.sputnikmusic.com[/url]

Nobody cares what you say here in the forums, but you're bound to get more notice for your effort over at the review site :)