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ATM 09-03-2005 03:37 PM

I think A Healthy Distrust is better then the Non Prophets album, but that's just me.

Ledmetalicbeatle 09-03-2005 06:14 PM

[QUOTE=Slug]I think A Healthy Distrust is better then the Non Prophets album, but that's just me.[/QUOTE]
1. Personal Journals
2. Healthy Distrust
3. Hope
I like how some people write off sage because he is a white kid from Rhode Island. I think he has a gift for words it would be a shame if he wasn't rapping.

Zesty Mordant 09-03-2005 09:02 PM

[QUOTE=Iai]That's the only Clef album I haven't got. How's it compare to his later stuff? Especially The Elcleftic, because that's a minor masterpiece in my eyes.[/QUOTE]

In all honesty I haven't really heard much of his other material other than bits and pieces of the Ecleftic (which I like and hope to eventually get), but the Carnival is definately a very well done album in my opinion. There's plenty of variety in terms of genres and sounds, the songwritings top-notch and the production is pretty even. My only beef with it is the abundance of skits and interludes.

DemBonez 09-04-2005 08:46 AM

[QUOTE=Ledmetalicbeatle]
I like how some people write off sage because he is a white kid from Rhode Island. I think he has a gift for words it would be a shame if he wasn't rapping.[/QUOTE]

I just find him really annoying and boring.

ATM 09-04-2005 09:02 AM

[QUOTE=DemBonez]I just find him really annoying and boring.[/QUOTE]

To each is own.

I just popped in the new Kanye West. It's not bad so far, but not great.

logain 09-04-2005 01:47 PM

anyone have any gangsta boo?

snidget 09-04-2005 04:42 PM

The new Blackalicious is so god****ed good.
[url]http://box.net/public/snidget/files/652532.html[/url]

MF Doom, Def Jux artists ('specially Aesop), Blackalicious, Busdriver, and early Beasties are among the only artists saving Rap from being complete ****

~Thuge Life~ 09-04-2005 06:51 PM

I like listenin to biggie, 2Pac, Slim, Snoop, Dre, people like that.

Pierre Trudeau 09-04-2005 07:51 PM

Kanye knew what he was talking about on the fundraiser :chug:

LATE REGISTRATION nuccas

Kaden 09-04-2005 08:20 PM

[QUOTE=snidget]The new Blackalicious is so god****ed good.
[url]http://box.net/public/snidget/files/652532.html[/url]

MF Doom, Def Jux artists ('specially Aesop), Blackalicious, Busdriver, and early Beasties are among the only artists saving Rap from being complete ****[/QUOTE]
THANK YOU for posting that upload.

You're my hero.

snidget 09-05-2005 06:55 AM

[QUOTE=Kaden]THANK YOU for posting that upload.

You're my hero.[/QUOTE]

I actually have been whoring that everywhere, as people seem to miss it, and I think everyone should have it. It seriously gives Blazing Arrow a run as his best album.

Robert Crumb 09-05-2005 12:29 PM

[QUOTE=Ledmetalicbeatle]I like how some people write off sage because he is a white kid from Rhode Island. I think he has a gift for words it would be a shame if he wasn't rapping.[/QUOTE]

I don't like him not because he's a white kid from Rhode Island. I don't like him because I don't like his flow, although I'm really not sure why. Something about it rubs me the wrong way. But he's a good lyricist, maybe a better poet than an MC in my opinion. If that makes any sense.

I got Late Reg. now and at first glance I'm thinking my prediction back on page one was nearly accurate.

[SIZE=1]Although it was the most obvious prediction ever.[/SIZE]

Ledmetalicbeatle 09-05-2005 03:42 PM

[QUOTE=Robert Crumb]I don't like him not because he's a white kid from Rhode Island. I don't like him because I don't like his flow, although I'm really not sure why. Something about it rubs me the wrong way. But he's a good lyricist, maybe a better poet than an MC in my opinion. If that makes any sense.

I got Late Reg. now and at first glance I'm thinking my prediction back on page one was nearly accurate.

[SIZE=1]Although it was the most obvious prediction ever.[/SIZE][/QUOTE]
I don't mind that people don't like him I've just read stuff were they don't even care about the music its like "oh its a fat vegitrain guy from rhode island he's not hip hop" It's stupid that hip hop has to be a black kind of music(like rock wasn't back in the 50s) and there are even black MCs who come from nice neighborhoods.

ATM 09-05-2005 04:03 PM

So can anyone explain to me the deal with MF Doom? What other names does he go by, etc?

Bartender 09-05-2005 04:28 PM

Rap/hip hop is an area of music I've pretty much always listened to (since i listened to music at all, I mean), and yet the one area of my music collection I'm constantly disappointed in. I'm trying to rectify that, though.

Incidentally, is there any love here for the King Geedorah album? I picked it up recently, and enjoyed the hell out of it straight off.

[QUOTE=Slug]
So can anyone explain to me the deal with MF Doom? What other names does he go by, etc?[/QUOTE]

I'm curious about that as well. I get confused; after a while I thought I had all his various aliases, and then I started to think that maybe I was accidentally including people that weren't him, too.

Robert Crumb 09-05-2005 04:39 PM

MF DOOM is also:

Zev Love X (his first name from when he was part of the duo KMD)
Viktor Vaughn (He's released two albums under this name)
DOOM of course
King Geedorah
One half of Madvillian (Madlib being the other half)
Metal Fingers (He releases various instrumental albums uner this moniker)
and now he's one half of Dangerdoom (with Danger Mouse)

He is not to be confused with Dr. Dooom, which is an alias of Kool Keith.[list][/list]

ATM 09-05-2005 04:41 PM

Does he rap in different voices/styles under different names?

Robert Crumb 09-05-2005 04:48 PM

Not really. I mean you'll recognize it's him on pretty much any album, just some times he runs stronger with different themes depending on the name he uses. At least that's what I find. He really gets into the persona, but you'll know it's him.

ATM 09-05-2005 04:51 PM

I only have [i]Mmm..Food[/i]. I need to look into some more, because I really enjoy that album.

Bartender 09-05-2005 05:24 PM

He keeps making guest appearances on his own album as other personas. The King Geedorah album has a couple of track listed as "feat. MF Doom", and Viktor Vaughn turns up on [i]Madvillainy[/i], for example. It confuses me so.

Lord Quas is on the Madvillain album too, which doesn't help.

Kaden 09-05-2005 05:48 PM

[QUOTE=snidget]I actually have been whoring that everywhere, as people seem to miss it, and I think everyone should have it. It seriously gives Blazing Arrow a run as his best album.[/QUOTE]
I don't think it's as good as Blazing Arrow at all, but it's definitely miles ahead of Nia, and an amazing album in general.

Despite the fact that the songs themselves don't compare to Blazing Arrow, his rapping is more flawless than it's ever been. Like in the song Your Move, does he even pause once? I don't think so. So relentless.

Zesty Mordant 09-05-2005 08:41 PM

[QUOTE=Bartender]
Lord Quas is on the Madvillain album too, which doesn't help.[/QUOTE]

yeah, Madlib does a similar thing too. In addition to himself there's also lootpack, quasimoto (lord quas), jaylib, yesterday's new quintent and more I'm sure.

LF96 09-06-2005 09:21 AM

[QUOTE=Kaden]I don't think it's as good as Blazing Arrow at all, but it's definitely miles ahead of Nia, and an amazing album in general.

Despite the fact that the songs themselves don't compare to Blazing Arrow, his rapping is more flawless than it's ever been. Like in the song Your Move, does he even pause once? I don't think so. So relentless.[/QUOTE]
IMO, The Craft is the least good Blackalicious album up to date. That doesn't mean anything bad tho, cause both NIA and Blazing Arrow are classic to me. After the first few listenings I think I'd rate it around 4.25/5 or something.

DemBonez 09-06-2005 10:11 AM

[I]The Craft[/I] is probably Gab's best work so far. "Your Move" is the only track I find him less than stellar (he's rather monotone and lifeless). As much as I love his rapping, Blackalicious lives and dies by Chief Xcel's hands (I say). I like the beats on [I]The Craft[/I] morre than [I]Blazing Arrow[/I], but the personality that Arrow had was just untouchable. The first 6 tracks and the last 4 tracks of Arrow are flawless. Craft is good, just doesn't give me the same impression Arrow did.

[I]NIA[/I] is the worst Blackalicious album in my opinion.

Ledmetalicbeatle 09-06-2005 02:52 PM

[QUOTE=Robert Crumb]Not really. I mean you'll recognize it's him on pretty much any album, just some times he runs stronger with different themes depending on the name he uses. At least that's what I find. He really gets into the persona, but you'll know it's him.[/QUOTE]
he sounds different in KMD though

b0mbs_of_death 09-06-2005 03:39 PM

[QUOTE=Ledmetalicbeatle]he sounds different in KMD though[/QUOTE]
I think Doom was 18 when Mr. Hood came out too. The whole Doom persona came from the death of his brother SubRoc. Plus if he records under other aliases, he get's to put out records on other labels. I mean he does all his Metal Fingers stuff on his own imprint, but his other records have been on SubVerse, Natures Sound, Stones Throw, Big Dada, Epitaph and now Rhymesayers. Quas is just 'Libs other persona. Apparenly Madlib hates his voice recorded, which is kinda crazy cause he kills it on some of the Lootpack ****.

Sage Francis reminds me of a hardcore kid that was a poetry nerd. I think some of the Fugazi and Minor Threat references might back me up. I dunno, I was kinda into the preachy hardcore scene of the mid 90's and I just don't need to be preached at at a show since 95% of the time, you are preachin to the converted. I think some of the beats on a healthy distrust were just eh. That's probably why I liked the non prophets record just because the beats were better produced.

Call me crazy.

Kaden 09-06-2005 04:41 PM

[QUOTE=DemBonez][I]The Craft[/I] is probably Gab's best work so far. "Your Move" is the only track I find him less than stellar (he's rather monotone and lifeless). As much as I love his rapping, Blackalicious lives and dies by Chief Xcel's hands (I say). I like the beats on [I]The Craft[/I] morre than [I]Blazing Arrow[/I], but the personality that Arrow had was just untouchable. The first 6 tracks and the last 4 tracks of Arrow are flawless. Craft is good, just doesn't give me the same impression Arrow did.

[I]NIA[/I] is the worst Blackalicious album in my opinion.[/QUOTE]
I agree with everything you just said.

Ledmetalicbeatle 09-06-2005 08:31 PM

[QUOTE=b0mbs_of_death]
Sage Francis reminds me of a hardcore kid that was a poetry nerd. I think some of the Fugazi and Minor Threat references might back me up. I dunno, I was kinda into the preachy hardcore scene of the mid 90's and I just don't need to be preached at at a show since 95% of the time, you are preachin to the converted. I think some of the beats on a healthy distrust were just eh. That's probably why I liked the non prophets record just because the beats were better produced.

Call me crazy.[/QUOTE]
"I go to fugazi shows and request minor threat songs"

he did use to wear denim vest with a metallica patch on the back at freestyle shows.

King_Karl 09-07-2005 10:12 AM

I picked up 2 albums today that i've been meaning to get for a while, they were both in a sale for £5 each!
Dr Dre - The Chronic
Snoop - Doggystle
I totally reccomend these albums to anyone interested in either artist, they are pretty great.

Glitterati 09-08-2005 06:05 PM

'sup thread.

A Tribe Called Quest is one of my favorites right now, I think they were great.

Happymeal 09-08-2005 06:15 PM

Madlib's [I]Shades of Blue[/I] is just really coool.

enjoimx 09-08-2005 06:36 PM

i dont really listen to rap much but some good rappers i listen to/ would reccomend are

del the funkee homosapien ( the rest of the hiero crew too)
acelone ( sp?)
gang starr
lootpack
jurassic 5

yeah youve probably never heard of em, but they are really good, i really like dell. thats all of em i can remember now, but check em out.

edit, yeah a tribe called quest are good as well

Bartender 09-08-2005 07:01 PM

[QUOTE=enjoimx]
acelone ( sp?)
[/QUOTE]

Do you mean Aceyalone? I just listened to Haiku D'Etat's self-titled for the first and second time a week or so ago, and it was disappointing.

Futuro 09-08-2005 08:32 PM

[QUOTE]Snoop - Doggystle[/QUOTE] :shifty: not a fan of that album :)

[QUOTE]Dr Dre - The Chronic [/QUOTE] haha one of my all time favs :)

are the roots considered rap? they are one of my favorite ...rap...bands...? any way i like em alot. :p

Illmatic 09-08-2005 10:49 PM

[QUOTE=faith+1]:shifty: not a fan of that album :)

haha one of my all time favs :)

are the roots considered rap? they are one of my favorite ...rap...bands...? any way i like em alot. :p[/QUOTE]

The Roots had three great albums in a row, then went and released Phrenology and The Tipping Point

LF96 09-09-2005 09:37 AM

[QUOTE=Illmatic]The Roots had three great albums in a row, then went and released Phrenology and The Tipping Point[/QUOTE]
Phrenology is quite good, and so is The Tipping Point (although it's obvious that it's The Roots' least good effort). I really don't see why the latter is hated on here, it's a killer lyrically.

Illmatic 09-09-2005 01:58 PM

[QUOTE=LF96]Phrenology is quite good, and so is The Tipping Point (although it's obvious that it's The Roots' least good effort). I really don't see why the latter is hated on here, it's a killer lyrically.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, but both albums as a whole are just lackluster and blah...and the only songs that stick off of either are "Web" and "The Seed 2.0"

DemBonez 09-09-2005 02:55 PM

The Roots have never had an all out amazing album. They usually have really good tracks coupled with decent tracks (which reminds me of Bob Marley a ton). [I]Do You Want More?!!!??![/I] is my least favorite of them, and [I]Things Fall Apart[/I] is my favorite. Everything else is ranked about the same, with possibly [I]Phrenology[/I] the better album out of that bunch. You can't go wrong with any of their albums.

Happymeal 09-09-2005 03:22 PM

I'm recently in love with Kool Keith's voice. It's so sexy.

DemBonez 09-09-2005 03:28 PM

Your avatar is infinitely times better than anything


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