I bought Ember To Inferno, I liked it.
I bought Ascendancy, I liked it.

They really don't thrill me...like, all their riffs are very similar...they use a lot of overplayed rythm behind the leads. Like the solo on the song ''Like Light to the Flies'' at 3:55 or so...It's the exact rythm as the song ''Poision was the cure''(Outro Solo). I know a LOT of riffs have been copied and played a lot...but when I heard that, It dissapointed me. The solo barely makes it out of Pentatonic. Don't get me wrong...they're talented. It's just Just not what I expected that album to sound like.

On the other hand...
[B]Ember to Inferno[/B] was half-way decent. :thumb:

[QUOTE=R. Blythe]I smell a fan-boi.[/QUOTE]

well yeah mabey, but ive been obsessed with pretty much Metallica, with other bands that ive liked thrown in there.

Sadly I was sucking on a bottle when the black album came out. Trivium is the first good band ive heard that is active and at their best during my lifetime, so yeah, im really into them.

metallica, maiden, megadeth, priest, all the big names in metal were inspired by black sabbath, as well as maiden.

Trivium, and GOOD modern acts grew up listening to the bands that dominated metals glory days, seeing their influence in new music is really cool

[QUOTE=KittensInMicrowaves]He pretty much only growls, he doesn't go to a high pitched scream like other metalcore acts... I think his growl is a hell of a lot deeper than most metalcore acts

I like when he occasionally does the half sing/half growl like in the insane middle part of "Departure"[/QUOTE]
He plays with a high pitched scream in "Suffocating Sight".



Anyone else here on their forums?

[QUOTE=WhatAHorribleNight]He plays with a high pitched scream in "Suffocating Sight".



Anyone else here on their forums?[/QUOTE]

No, but I've read some of the posts there......

[QUOTE=letmypeopleho]That was pretty dumb.

Still, I don't think they will be the next Metallica. The mainstream is too brainwashed for that. I go to a ghetto school and anything that isn't hip-hop sounds like scratching a chalkboard to them.[/QUOTE]

Yeah nobody likes metal in the mainstream anymore, which is better, I'd rather not see Trivium get that popular. I hate posers who like a band because it is cool to like them

[QUOTE=KittensInMicrowaves]Yeah nobody likes metal in the mainstream anymore, which is better, I'd rather not see Trivium get that popular. I hate posers who like a band because it is cool to like them[/QUOTE]

Yeah I see girls at my school wearing Killswitch Engage shirts and Unearth and it just makes me not want to listen to them, even though they are two of my favorite bands.

[QUOTE=WhatAHorribleNight]He plays with a high pitched scream in "Suffocating Sight".



Anyone else here on their forums?[/QUOTE]

Nice name/Avatar

[QUOTE=KittensInMicrowaves]Yeah nobody likes metal in the mainstream anymore, which is better, I'd rather not see Trivium get that popular. I hate posers who like a band because it is cool to like them[/QUOTE]

Trivium are already a mainstream metal band, and they are already very popular.

It doesn't necessarily make them a bad band to be somewhat mainstream, though. People talk about mainstream music like it is some form of taboo.

I didn't say it did. I don't like them personally but I have no problem with bands getting more publicity. The Black Dahlia Muder for example, are far from underground but they are still one of my favourate bands.

[QUOTE=spankyoplank]I've got to agree. I'm extremely skeptical of most music but when i heard this band i really thought that they were worth listening to and the guitatist kicks ***, i play bass but i can still see who ace that guy is. Even my closed minded Steve Vai warped friend admitted he was good (acheivement i tell you).[/QUOTE]

Your friend reminds me of a guy in my school, lol.

Trivium are far from generic, the guitar riffs are amazing, but they could do more with the bass.

[QUOTE=R. Blythe]Yeah I see girls at my school wearing Killswitch Engage shirts and Unearth and it just makes me not want to listen to them, even though they are two of my favorite bands.[/QUOTE]

I wish I saw more cute girls wearing those shirts... I'd have an easy in to nail them!!!

:thumb: :lol:

[QUOTE=BlackDahlia]Nice name/Avatar



Trivium are already a mainstream metal band, and they are already very popular.[/QUOTE]
Thank you on the compliment.


Trivium is mainstream, but not to the extent of most other metalcore bands out in the media. They have very little fan base in comparison to Shadows Fall or Killswitch Engage. Saying that, Trivium has one of the fastest growing fan bases in metalcore. Trivium will probally explode fan population wise after the ozzfest tour.


On an other note, does anyone in this thread like Capharnaum? They are an other band of Matt Heafy's. He does lead vocals in this band, but I don't believe he plays guitar. They aren't quite metalcore or melodeath like Trivium is, they are a technical death band. I suggest fans of Trivium's harsh vocals check them out.

[QUOTE=WhatAHorribleNight]Thank you on the compliment.


Trivium is mainstream, but not to the extent of most other metalcore bands out in the media. They have very little fan base in comparison to Shadows Fall or Killswitch Engage. Saying that, Trivium has one of the fastest growing fan bases in metalcore. Trivium will probally explode fan population wise after the ozzfest tour.


On an other note, does anyone in this thread like Capharnaum? They are an other band of Matt Heafy's. He does lead vocals in this band, but I don't believe he plays guitar. They aren't quite metalcore or melodeath like Trivium is, they are a technical death band. I suggest fans of Trivium's harsh vocals check them out.[/QUOTE]

I have Capharnaum's album, very heavy, I like it. Heafy basically uses the same vox he uses in Trivium minues the clean stuff. Trivium isn't really metalcore, they are a mix of thrash, melodeath, and metalcore. Just call them metal!

:thumb:

[QUOTE=KittensInMicrowaves]I have Capharnaum's album, very heavy, I like it. Heafy basically uses the same vox he uses in Trivium minues the clean stuff. Trivium isn't really metalcore, they are a mix of thrash, melodeath, and metalcore. Just call them metal!

:thumb:[/QUOTE]
I believe in a couple tracks later on in the album he uses actually death growl. I'm not too keen on if that is really him preforming those death growls on those tracks, but they seem to be well executed. A little more practice on those and he will have them mastered.

And most people refer to Trivium as metalcore. Technically, they are a melodic deathcore band. Trivium called themselves that on the intro to their old website. But as of now, Trivium likes to be called plain metal.

[QUOTE=WhatAHorribleNight]I believe in a couple tracks later on in the album he uses actually death growl. I'm not too keen on if that is really him preforming those death growls on those tracks, but they seem to be well executed. A little more practice on those and he will have them mastered.

And most people refer to Trivium as metalcore. Technically, they are a melodic deathcore band. Trivium called themselves that on the intro to their old website. But as of now, Trivium likes to be called plain metal.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, the vocals you're referring to were done by Jason Suecof. He's the guy who produced [I]Ascendancy[/I], and is rhythm guitar for Capharnaum. Check out the BDM thread dude

[QUOTE=WhatAHorribleNight]And most people refer to Trivium as metalcore. Technically, they are a melodic deathcore band. Trivium called themselves that on the intro to their old website. But as of now, Trivium likes to be called plain metal.[/QUOTE]

And THAT is a prime example of over-genrealizing (my word). :thumb:

Metal works...it encompasses lots of stuff.

[QUOTE=WhatAHorribleNight]I believe in a couple tracks later on in the album he uses actually death growl. I'm not too keen on if that is really him preforming those death growls on those tracks, but they seem to be well executed. A little more practice on those and he will have them mastered.

And most people refer to Trivium as metalcore. Technically, they are a melodic deathcore band. Trivium called themselves that on the intro to their old website. But as of now, Trivium likes to be called plain metal.[/QUOTE]

Melodic Deathcore? I'm sorry even if 'Deathcore' existed Trivium would not be part of that genre for the same reason they are not Metalcore, the reason being they have no Hardcore influence at all.

if you dont have anything to do, go to [url]www.fabchannel.com[/url] , you can stream the Trivium gig from Amsterdam a week or two ago from there :)

ive got ascendancy and its awesome i just need to find somewhere in the uk that sells ember to inferno

you'll have a hard time looking unless roadrunner licenses and re-issues it.

[QUOTE=Carn]you'll have a hard time looking unless roadrunner licenses and re-issues it.[/QUOTE]

What irony.

[QUOTE=BlackDahlia]Melodic Deathcore? I'm sorry even if 'Deathcore' existed Trivium would not be part of that genre for the same reason they are not Metalcore, the reason being they have no Hardcore influence at all.[/QUOTE]

Trivium doesn't neatly fit into a genre

[QUOTE=BlackDahlia]Melodic Deathcore? I'm sorry even if 'Deathcore' existed Trivium would not be part of that genre for the same reason they are not Metalcore, the reason being they have no Hardcore influence at all.[/QUOTE]
Trivium does have a hardcore influence, I'm very confused as to why you said they have none at all.

[QUOTE=KittensInMicrowaves]Trivium doesn't neatly fit into a genre[/QUOTE]

And you don't neatly fit into spandex.

Glad to see my thread still running. I've been thinking. And comparing. And I've come to a conclusion.

Ember to Inferno sucks compared to Ascendancy.

Yeah, that's right, I said it. The songs seem to be lacking substance on ETI, but on Ascendancy, the songwriting seems MUCH more maturer.

Boo-ya.

[QUOTE=ICB]Ember to Inferno sucks compared to Ascendancy.
[/QUOTE]

100% right

can someone upload some songs from ETI please?


what about my hatred and if I could collapse the masses, those songs are great.

[QUOTE=ICB]And you don't neatly fit into spandex.

Glad to see my thread still running. I've been thinking. And comparing. And I've come to a conclusion.

Ember to Inferno sucks compared to Ascendancy.

Yeah, that's right, I said it. The songs seem to be lacking substance on ETI, but on Ascendancy, the songwriting seems MUCH more maturer.

Boo-ya.[/QUOTE]

How did you know about my spandex fetish???

ETI is far more raw than Ascendancy, the songs are a little more formulaic in my opinion, and far less intense. It is still a great album, but not a classic like Ascendancy

[QUOTE=WhatAHorribleNight]Trivium does have a hardcore influence, I'm very confused as to why you said they have none at all.[/QUOTE]

Where is the hardcore influence? Cite a specific example for us. The vox are somewhat metalcore but that is about it, nothing in the playing suggests hardcore in any way.

[QUOTE=WhatAHorribleNight]Trivium does have a hardcore influence, I'm very confused as to why you said they have none at all.[/QUOTE]

Where? They are a Metal band, Hardcore comes from Punk and has no links with Metal. What Hardcore bands have you heard that sound even remotely like Trivium?

[QUOTE=BlackDahlia]Where? They are a Metal band, Hardcore comes from Punk and has no links with Metal. What Hardcore bands have you heard that sound even remotely like Trivium?[/QUOTE]

Lots of them. Most metalcore bands have a lot of thrash and melodeath influence on top of their hardcore backgrounds, in case you hadn't noticed. The typical structures of melodeath/thrashy riff with screaming verses followed by singalong choruses is a staple in metalcore. Just listen to Like Light to the Flies for example.

Another point, even pure Hardcore is connected to a metal, even if a roundabout way. A lot of thrash took influences from old punk, and a lot of other metal bands take influence from thrash, so really its just a distant divergence in the musical branch. But thats really just extraneous information.

The real key to the issue is the name Trivium itself. I don't know what it says any more, but if you were a fan even just a few months before Ascendancy came out, you would have seen that on the main page of their website that the name Trivium is derived from the latin word meaning "a 3-way intersection", and they went on to say, in their case its an intersection of metalcore, thrash, and melodic death. While there is far less hardcore/generic metalcore influence that bleeds into their sound than a lot of the current bands, it is still their nonetheless.

For some who has such a stupid user-title :p, its suprising you came up with such an eloquant post. Nice one.

[QUOTE=Itwasthatwas]Another point, even pure Hardcore is connected to a metal, even if a roundabout way.[/QUOTE]

No, trust me, it isn't. Hardcore is a sub-genre of punk, which makes it completly seperate from the Metal genre. As soon as a Hardcore band begins to incorperate Metal into their sound they cease to be Hardcore and become Metalcore. You also failed to name me one Hardcore band that sounds even remotley like Trivium.

[QUOTE=BlackDahlia]No, trust me, it isn't. Hardcore is a sub-genre of punk, which makes it completly seperate from the Metal genre. As soon as a Hardcore band begins to incorperate Metal into their sound they cease to be Hardcore and become Metalcore. You also failed to name me one Hardcore band that sounds even remotley like Trivium.[/QUOTE]
Having an influence of hardcore doesn't have to mean they have to sound exactly like hardcore. Trivium takes alot of influence from around the world of music, the three big ones: Thrash, Melodic Death Metal, and Metalcore. You can hear in some parts where they can sound like some metalcore/hardcore bands. You cannot pinpoint a band to sound like Trivium, because they take a great deal of influence from alot of genres.


And yes, I may be contradicting myself on this one, But genres are not written in stone, and you can't look them up in a dictionary. Genres are more based on personal opinion these days. Have your own opinion, and I'll have mine. People will [B]NEVER[/B] agree on genres.

[QUOTE=ICB]As Trivium's population grows, [/QUOTE]
:lol:

[QUOTE=BlackDahlia]Melodic Deathcore? I'm sorry even if 'Deathcore' existed Trivium would not be part of that genre for the same reason they are not Metalcore, the reason being they have no Hardcore influence at all.[/QUOTE]
Deathcore IS a genre, (despised icon, glass casket as good examples), but trivium is far from that.

Anyhoo, trivium owns, Matt Heafy himself says he takes alot of influences in his solos from John Pettucky himself.

[QUOTE=Kwash2]:lol:[/QUOTE]

Oh, holy hell.

That's the result of typing fast, my friends.

I'm not even gonna edit that, I'll just revel in my jackassery.

[QUOTE=Kwash2]Deathcore IS a genre, (despised icon, glass casket as good examples), but trivium is far from that.

Anyhoo, trivium owns, Matt Heafy himself says he takes alot of influences in his solos from John Pettucky himself.[/QUOTE]
Not deathcore, Melodic deathcore. Instead of the death influence they have the melodic death metal influence. You see?

[QUOTE=WhatAHorribleNight]Having an influence of hardcore doesn't have to mean they have to sound exactly like hardcore. Trivium takes alot of influence from around the world of music, the three big ones: Thrash, Melodic Death Metal, and Metalcore. You can hear in some parts where they can sound like some metalcore/hardcore bands. You cannot pinpoint a band to sound like Trivium, because they take a great deal of influence from alot of genres.


And yes, I may be contradicting myself on this one, But genres are not written in stone, and you can't look them up in a dictionary. Genres are more based on personal opinion these days. Have your own opinion, and I'll have mine. People will [B]NEVER[/B] agree on genres.[/QUOTE]

Yeah Trivium really has a unique sound. I really can't think of another band that sounds like them, in all seriousness, can anyone name a band that sounds like Trivium? They don't sound like other thrash acts, they don't sound like other metalcore acts, they don't sound like other melodic death acts

[QUOTE=Kwash2]Deathcore IS a genre, (despised icon, glass casket as good examples), but trivium is far from that.

Anyhoo, trivium owns, Matt Heafy himself says he takes alot of influences in his solos from John Pettucky himself.[/QUOTE]

Deathcore isn't really a genre. Most of the bands you mentioned could be categorized as brutal or technical metalcore. Tech metal, math metal, whatever you want to call it can sound as heavy as death metal.

[QUOTE=BlackDahlia]No, trust me, it isn't. Hardcore is a sub-genre of punk, which makes it completly seperate from the Metal genre. As soon as a Hardcore band begins to incorperate Metal into their sound they cease to be Hardcore and become Metalcore. You also failed to name me one Hardcore band that sounds even remotley like Trivium.[/QUOTE]

No, I'm afraid I can't trust you, because that's just a retarded statement. Metal and punk are related, probably most closely by punks ties to thrash. The genres cross at 2 points that are significant to this debate: First at the origin of thrash , where bands took a lot of influence from earlier metal of course, but also quite a bit from punk. Essentially they took early metal and and speed and rawness, and after some more developments you have thrash. Trivium is largely thrash, and therefore has distant roots in punk. The second convergence is modern metalcore bands taking Melodeath & Thrash and adding hardcore attitude and song structures, again directly relating to the punk/hardcore scene. Trivum admits to taking heavy influences from metalcore, and therefore there is another direct connection.

Of course I can't cite a hardcore band that sounds like Trivium. I never said they were hardcore. But they undeniably have influences rooted in the hardcore/metalcore scene. Anyone who actually comes out and says that Trivium is a straight-up hardcore band is either deaf or mentally retarded, but to say that their music stems from some hardcore as an influence is a perfectly valid statement.