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Thor 12-24-2004 04:52 PM

[QUOTE=TheShaneOMac]How about Tom is one of the best guitarists of all time. Only a select few were as original as him.[/QUOTE]
Tom is one of the best guitarists ever. He is definetly the most innovative guitarist of all time. Who else agrees?

munky_magik 12-24-2004 04:53 PM

definatly innovative, but perhaps not the most of all time

Arucard 12-24-2004 05:00 PM

He ranks in my most innovative, with EVH, Steve Vai and Petrucci.
These guys basically got me into metal, Ghost of Tom Joad is kick ***, even though its a cover. I dont count their songs as covers though, as they merly take the lyrics, and whack a totally new sound scheme to them.

Thor 12-24-2004 05:10 PM

[QUOTE=88_Fingers_Joe]He ranks in my most innovative, with EVH, Steve Vai and Petrucci.
These guys basically got me into metal, Ghost of Tom Joad is kick ***, even though its a cover. I dont count their songs as covers though, as they merly take the lyrics, and whack a totally new sound scheme to them.[/QUOTE]
Yeah take Maggie's Farm for example....completely different sound, but both versions are still awesome.

munky_magik 12-24-2004 05:11 PM

I've only ever heard the Rage version. I guess I should get around to checking out the original

Arucard 12-24-2004 05:24 PM

Yeh, you know E-F-F-E-C-T, that song, forgotten the name (Noob++), listen to the original. Its 80's old school street hip-hop, and look what they turned it into.

munky_magik 12-24-2004 05:28 PM

It might be called I'm Housin', but I'm not 100% on that.
Their covers are always interesting when compared to the originals

El_Shiznit 12-24-2004 05:30 PM

I actually like Renegades best. I think it's the most consistant as far as song value goes. But I realize I'm the only one.

*My first post in R&M*

El_Shiznit 12-24-2004 05:31 PM

[QUOTE=munky_magik]It might be called I'm Housin', but I'm not 100% on that.
Their covers are always interesting when compared to the originals[/QUOTE]
Nah, that's a different song.

Arucard 12-24-2004 05:32 PM

Its not Im Housin, the chorus to Im Housin is 'Relate to the matter as i drop the bomb, cause im housin.' The solo in that song owns all solos ever. Hi el Shizzy. I dont post in punk no more, to many pop-punk spammers.

El_Shiznit 12-24-2004 05:33 PM

Wondered where you went.
Thought you might've not liked punk anymore until I saw your avatar. Punk forum is good for me still because I need my nOOb fix now and then. But I'm posting more and more in pop-punk now though.

munky_magik 12-24-2004 05:34 PM

It's Microphone Fiend originally by Eric B & Rakim.
So I was wrong :(

Arucard 12-24-2004 05:35 PM

Yeh, i still love the scene man, but im abit of a Power Metal whore now, but as you can see Agnostic Front and The Filaments all the ****ing way.

Dr. Jake Destructo 12-24-2004 05:57 PM

[QUOTE=munky_magik]
Are you seriously telling me you don't know who [I]the prodigy[/I] are?[/QUOTE]

Yes. :upset: I'm not a huge fan of..industrial or techno, or whatever you'd call them. Fairly mediocre song for what it is...

Dr. Jake Destructo 12-24-2004 05:58 PM

[QUOTE=El_Shizzy]

*My first post in R&M*[/QUOTE]

Good move. :thumb:

Rep'd for the good choice

Darkness 12-24-2004 06:35 PM

[QUOTE=TheShaneOMac]How about Tom is one of the best guitarists of all time. Only a select few were as original as him.[/QUOTE]

I stand corrected. :thumb: I figered I'd get flamed if I said something like that.

metallica master 12-24-2004 07:04 PM

Tom is definately one of the greatest guitarists ever. His sound is his own and I doubt that anyone will try to copy it.

Huber 12-24-2004 07:18 PM

I didn't even know Tom Morello was in Audioslave when I first heard it. I figured it out because of that awesome sound he has. Truly a unique sound.

Darkness 12-24-2004 08:14 PM

[QUOTE=metallica master]Tom is definately one of the greatest guitarists ever. His sound is his own and I doubt that anyone will try to copy it.[/QUOTE]

Nobody would be able to copy it if they tried. Beleive me, I try all the time. :upset:

HiP-h0p |\|4zi 12-24-2004 09:02 PM

guys don't mind me saying this but isn't Rage aganist the machine punk whats it doing here.
But Rage is awesome

Bartender 12-24-2004 09:03 PM

No, Rage Against the Machine are not punk. They do belong here.

Thor 12-24-2004 09:06 PM

[QUOTE=HiP-h0p |\|4zi]guys don't mind me saying this but isn't Rage aganist the machine punk whats it doing here.
But Rage is awesome[/QUOTE]
How on earth are RATM punk? Could you explain that for me please?

DekWannaBFlea 12-25-2004 01:49 AM

I heard some where that Kashmir by Led Zeppelin and Wake up by Rage have similiarities, are they similar riffs or what?

Darkness 12-25-2004 02:48 PM

How'd this get on page 3...

Jesus Macaroni 12-25-2004 03:37 PM

I'd say they have maybe som Punkish lyrics...
F*** society and so on...

DekWannaBFlea 12-25-2004 05:45 PM

[QUOTE=Jesus Macaroni]I'd say they have maybe som Punkish lyrics...
F*** society and so on...[/QUOTE]

It really isn't about "f***in" society, and even if it was political lyrics aren't a punk exclusive genre.

munky_magik 12-25-2004 05:49 PM

[QUOTE=Darkness Of Greed]How'd this get on page 3...[/QUOTE]

Because you decided to post, and enough people had posted to put this onto the third page

Maggies_Farmer 12-25-2004 05:51 PM

There is a lot of punk in what RATM did.
so says I.

munky_magik 12-25-2004 05:58 PM

[QUOTE=Maggies_Farmer]There is a lot of punk in what RATM did.
so says I.[/QUOTE]
I think this is the first time that I have ever seen you post out of the Guitar forum

superfascist 12-25-2004 11:50 PM

How can you really go about classifying Rage's style? They were really all over the place.

Dr. Jake Destructo 12-26-2004 12:50 AM

[QUOTE=Sliptallica]I didn't even know Tom Morello was in Audioslave when I first heard it. I figured it out because of that awesome sound he has. Truly a unique sound.[/QUOTE]

He uses way less effects in Audioslave than he did in RATM, which dissapoints me. However, it fits better with the sound of Audioslave with the smaller amount of effects.

DekWannaBFlea 12-26-2004 01:57 AM

[QUOTE=superfascist]How can you really go about classifying Rage's style? They were really all over the place.[/QUOTE]

Rap Funk metal

JohnyT 12-26-2004 02:02 AM

Thank God somebadt brought up rage, I absolutely love rage! I borrowed ST from one of my punk-rock friends, I had no clue who they were, I thaought they were like the germs or somethin'. anyway nobody else in the **** city I live in likes them, It's just me and my friend.

Dr. Jake Destructo 12-26-2004 05:39 PM

[QUOTE=DekWannaBFlea]I heard some where that Kashmir by Led Zeppelin and Wake up by Rage have similiarities, are they similar riffs or what?[/QUOTE]

I don't think so. There are plenty of songs that sound a lot like Kashmir in the rythm. "Rock Superstar" by Cypress Hill is the only one I can think of at the moment. Good rap song.

lucky luciano 12-26-2004 06:33 PM

[QUOTE=Flea]Zach left because he felt as though the band wasn't accomplishing as much as it could. For example, Mumia Abu Jamal is still in prison. Zach supported the Zapatista movement which is the uprising of militants in Mexico over lost land due to infringement of Constitution rights.
As for Rage reuniting, Morello is still quite active in political action and we all know how Zach always was fuelled by hipocrisy and political injustice. I'm not saying it's an impossibility, however unlikely.
But seeing how much Morello assists other artists, I'm not surprised if Morello and de la Rocha reunite within 5 or 10 years.
I'm going to say that Rage's self titled album was the best. It was heavier and more charged than any other album, although BoLA was a good result after Evil Empire.
Renegades was a cover album of influences. I'd say it's fine, especially the cover of "The Ghost of Tom Joad", originally by Springsteen. Morello's guitar work never ceases to amaze me.
Tom's best solo, I'd say, is probably the "Bullet in the Head" solo. The "Darkness" solo is nice and jazzy, though. Very nice work either way.
Tom does use primarily 99999 88888 77777 solos, but he uses effects so heavily that you can't tab a thing 100% accurate on their later songs. He is, however, quite capable of more than just 999999 888888 77777777.
I think Timmy C. is probably one of the most underrated bassists around. The opening on "Calm Like a Bomb" is very nice and smooth, similar to a verse of chorus by Flea of RHCP. "Bombtrack" has a great opening. Flea gets all the credit for awesomeness, but Tim deserves more than a few "Good work" critiques.
I think Hammet is overrated as guitarists go. I rarely hear any emotion from his solos. It's like a machine is playing them. Fast, yes, but it's too **** cold for me to care. My opinions are my own, however.
The live DVDs are worth the money.[/QUOTE]

You really can't compare hammett and morello because their styles are so different. If you wanted to get down to technical **** hammetts probably a better player, but in the end its just an opinion. I also don't think timmy c or brad wilk are underrated at all. I think theyre ok at what they do but brad rarely does anything special on the drums and the same goes with timmy. I think the only one that excels at what they do in ratm is tom, but nevertheless im still a huge rage fan.

Dr. Jake Destructo 12-26-2004 09:27 PM

[QUOTE=lucky luciano]You really can't compare hammett and morello because their styles are so different. If you wanted to get down to technical **** hammetts probably a better player, but in the end its just an opinion. I also don't think timmy c or brad wilk are underrated at all. I think theyre ok at what they do but brad rarely does anything special on the drums and the same goes with timmy. I think the only one that excels at what they do in ratm is tom, but nevertheless im still a huge rage fan.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you that Tim and Brad are not extremely great at what they do, but they are still very underrated. However, as a group, they have the most amazing "meshing" as a whole. It's more of one insturment playing, rather than a group of guys playing music.

Melvins_Army 12-26-2004 10:11 PM

i reackon battle of LA and s/t are the best albums

Apocalyptic Raids 12-27-2004 01:32 AM

Evil Empire > BOLA

superfascist 12-27-2004 01:42 AM

[QUOTE=Vio-lence]Evil Empire > BOLA[/QUOTE]

Any particular reason why?

Apocalyptic Raids 12-27-2004 01:53 AM

i just thought overall it was a better album. I thought BOLA had a few weaker tracks (like born of ghosts, never liked that much).


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