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ATC 10-20-2004 09:22 AM

subtle, Blake is not as bad as you think. His ideas are the basis of modern society, or rather the idealized version of it. If you are even slightly liberal, this is probably where you came from.

I have to read Blake for the romantic era in my literature class. His work is markedly different from others classicists. The proverbs of the devil are particularly interesting.

That work is all about how we do not know all that there is, and that the best works are not necessarily in God's name. All poetry and art is essentially the devil's through religious commandment when poets are likened to heretics. It reminded me of the Lilith myth/story/reference. Lilith, the first woman according to ancient judaic tradition, not Eve. Even if it is not something you are going to read into or even think when it is read, my song is merely about analysing and collecting ancient hebrew lore for class.

ps: if you were to say vagueness is just that, vague and does not make you think or feel, then where would most lyricists be?
i think that is why alice in chains was popular. it was vague as hell, but had a general feel and mood.

art isnt that which is easily seen and understood, art is that which has to be read into. and subtle, a line by line crit is not necessary. and yes, i apologize for particularly skewing your rating.

SubtleDagger 10-20-2004 03:23 PM

For Christ's sake, I've read Blake before. You completely missed the point, that the metaphor Blake used had no real similarity to the rest of the song, which was really just boring Evanescance pronouning for the majority.

And the reason basing your crits off of genres or artists is stupid is because you're grading on lyrical quality, not what you think the song might sound like.

PS: AIC was not vague in the slightest, and vagueness in lyrics when you're simply using pronouns and being ambiguous is stupid.

ATC 10-20-2004 03:33 PM

didnt i use enough metaphors for perception and a greater design in there? its pretty easy to figure that it is about perception and growth and human error.
do i have to spell everything out?

like i said, there is no one way i grade, purely what i feel about it. as for the genre, what i meant is that i dont rate the song opposed to every other song, but i rate it based on the best i have heard in that genre. if i havent heard enough of it, i ask for a recommendation. its not that bad a voting style. easier to compare apples with apples than with bananas. i might revamp the system sometime. Blame PMS.

ps: AIC talked about pain in a million different ways, did it mention anything specific. similarly for addiction and the spiral. My point was that a lot of lyricists have been vague.

ATC 10-20-2004 03:37 PM

[b] Use your vote wisely, learn to look past the propaganda. [/b]

look at the vocabulary used. 'evil', 'axis of evil' ,'evil', 'evil-doer'. whats the matter with them? couldnt they come up with 'schmuck'?
-george clooney

coughvotekerrycough

SubtleDagger 10-20-2004 04:18 PM

No no, I understood the song, but it was boring and generic. I never said it was hard to understand, just uninteresting.

pixiesfanyo 10-20-2004 06:14 PM

Zeppelin fan.

A shadow scapes of ghosts
Line our ceiling wall

That isn't horrible english. It makes perfect sense. A scape of shadows from ghosts reflect onto a ceiling.

Permanent Solution 10-20-2004 06:33 PM

[QUOTE=pixiesfanyo]Zeppelin fan.

A shadow scapes of ghosts
Line our ceiling wall

That isn't horrible english. It makes perfect sense. A scape of shadows from ghosts reflect onto a ceiling.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=scapes[/url]
Which of those meanings are you employing?...if it was meant to be shadow scape (singular), I can see it making sense, but the way you executed it makes no sense at all to me. The second way you said it makes sense, but the way you said it in the piece made no sense. Explain how I am wrong if I am.

pixiesfanyo 10-20-2004 06:38 PM

so it should be scape.

Permanent Solution 10-20-2004 06:40 PM

[QUOTE=pixiesfanyo]so it should be scape.[/QUOTE]
All right, good to know (that's why I have not scored/ranked yet) :)

A_Perfect_Sonnet 10-20-2004 06:56 PM

i give up on lyrical challenges... even when i use the challenge word correctly i get last :\

time to get out the old polish and just write like a madman again

Permanent Solution 10-20-2004 07:09 PM

You beat Green day punk :thumb:

A_Perfect_Sonnet 10-20-2004 07:10 PM

not according to dead walk :/... really depressing, he didnt even use the word right

pixiesfanyo 10-20-2004 07:11 PM

Dude, who cares. It's an internet music board. It's just for fun anyway.

A_Perfect_Sonnet 10-20-2004 07:19 PM

coming from you, id think you cared a lot more than me, seeing as how you argue about everything

pixiesfanyo 10-20-2004 07:56 PM

I'm just saying it took me about 10 challenges to win one and the same with most of the vets.

A_Perfect_Sonnet 10-20-2004 08:05 PM

eh, ill do one more and see if i do any better... ive noticed a steady decline in how much i actually like what im writing, that might be the reason ;)

hotcod32 10-20-2004 09:16 PM

meh its just an excuse to acatly write somthing.... don't cear that i'm comeing last since i actaly only wrote in the thing in 5 munits since i wasn't really on the net or anywere for most of the week... 'tis just fun to have to work a word in to somthing...

ATC 10-20-2004 11:42 PM

[QUOTE=D-MelonXX]Oh great and exalted one - the lyrics of my song weren't emo at all. Explain yourself.[/QUOTE]

arent lyrics that come between prose and poetry called emo? the ones that talk about school in general?
if it wasnt, hell, i was wrong.
whatever, i liked your song. the whole background verse in bracket thing is emo, nein?

oh no, i forgot it. its draculacore . :eek:

SubtleDagger 10-21-2004 09:01 AM

None of it was emo. For fu[b][i][/b][/i]ck's sake, I am so tired of this.

[b]Emo is a genre of music, not a style of lyrical writing.[/b]

sketchyjoe 10-21-2004 09:17 AM

That sounds like emo talk to me.

ATC 10-21-2004 11:11 AM

Emo is a genre of music, but surprisingly enough, a lot of the people in that genre employ a similar writing style.

Do not Misunderestimate Emo.

SubtleDagger 10-21-2004 11:16 AM

Do me a favor and never put "emo" anywhere close to "lyrics" again.

I don't know when you decided you were going to do your best to piss me off as much as possible, but I'm really getting tired of it.

hotcod32 10-21-2004 12:03 PM

who the **** cears?

6945 10-21-2004 01:14 PM

Love some of the comments. Its so "cliche" to use cliche in a crit. Flow changes due to verse, chorus, bridge etc. One pattern through out is very ***yawn***. Most of the time I only put in phrases that sound like sh*t. I try to avoid lines I think sound good (not)

ATC 10-21-2004 02:07 PM

my annoy subtle day was over yesterday.
peace out.
ps: it doesnt matter if you're tired of something. interweb, bro. get over it. i wasnt actively trying to annoy you the last time. a display of ignorance, maybe.

dfelon, i thought it was a random high school musing. its nice storytelling, better than a lot i've heard about that topic. the little things were nicely dealt with. what made me think it was emo was maybe an underlying vein of judgmentalism/petty disdain. the music people call emo that i've heard tends to have a lot of that, even if it isnt as intricate as yours.
i admit i dont listen to emo much, and i was probably wrong when i pegged the song that way. gimme a few songs to broaden the taste a bit. i tried a circle takes the square song off kazaa. it's got that annoying static thing going. couldnt get any better since kazaa had only one at that point in time.

A_Perfect_Sonnet 10-21-2004 02:21 PM

ugh, i cant stand circle takes square

SubtleDagger 10-21-2004 04:42 PM

Christ, just as I thought. You completely missed the point of his song, and I'm positive you misunderstood mine, too.

SubtleDagger 10-21-2004 04:46 PM

[QUOTE=A_Perfect_Sonnet]ugh, i cant stand circle takes square[/QUOTE]
I'm going to give you my opinion and I'm sure it's DFelon's as well:

You listen to FATA, your musical thoughts mean nothing.

A_Perfect_Sonnet 10-21-2004 05:44 PM

unless that was just a dumb joke, you can suck my phalus subtle

sketchyjoe 10-21-2004 05:57 PM

[QUOTE=A_Perfect_Sonnet]unless that was just a dumb joke, you can suck my phalus subtle[/QUOTE]
If you're going to insult someone at least make sure you can spell correctly.

pixiesfanyo 10-21-2004 08:34 PM

Also APS, you like Bright Eyes. So that's two really bad bands you got on your list.

A_Perfect_Sonnet 10-21-2004 09:13 PM

im glad every band you listen to is just so popular everyone :), make sure you keep thinking everyone agrees with your tastes in music :thumb:

SubtleDagger 10-22-2004 08:43 AM

Quit being a tool, I rarely listen to any popular bands, nor does anyone who is mocking you.

ATC 10-22-2004 01:10 PM

Your tastes determine to a large extent who you are. And on the internet, thats all you have to go on. If you want to get defensive, there's a log out button right up there.

relax. so someone doesnt like your taste in music. big whoop.
pfft people.
dont turn me into maddox.

A_Perfect_Sonnet 10-22-2004 09:07 PM

[QUOTE=SubtleDagger]Quit being a tool, I rarely listen to any popular bands, nor does anyone who is mocking you.[/QUOTE]

obviously, if you are listening to a band (unless you go to see them play in their garage every night), they were popular enough for you to have heard about them, and popularity doesnt have to mean a mass media, it can just be around your town. i'm sure you are one of those kids that stopped listening to a band you've been a fan of for years, just because they signed onto a major label. ill give you an extra 10 cool points just because im sure you've done it.

hotcod32 10-22-2004 09:38 PM

[QUOTE=SubtleDagger]Quit being a tool, I rarely listen to any popular bands, nor does anyone who is mocking you.[/QUOTE]

"look at me i am so grate becuse i do not lission to popular music, this makes me cool becuse it makes me diffrent form you"

stop being so freeking contrived... your worse than ****ing emo scean kids... i ****ing hate the idea that popular bands must automacily be bad, and bands that anit popular must be good... its a joke... its an attiude taken by people who have no understanding of aprashion of music what so ever... and you talk about me likeing "bad music" and i freely ammit that i do, lots of it is non complcated poppunk type crap, but i enjoy it and the idea that the band is popular or not never enters in to it... when talking about music, if a band is popular or not, should NEVER EVER come in to it, becuse it dose not matter, it dose not change the fact that you enjoy the music or not... you might not like the music of bands that are poupler, the only music you like may be bands that are unpopular, but to use this in a way that you think makes you better than other people, is a joke, becuse its then not about the music, its about you, and its about other people...

so APS lission to bands you don't like, and you think are bad, well good for you, thats your taste in music, and his is his... i hate lots of music, but i understand that other people can like it, as misterfieing as that can be, the music i lission to dose not make me better than any one, nor dose it make me wosre than any one, becuse there is more to a person than music... i have lots of good freinds who have a taste in music that when its being played makes me want to hurt my self in strange and horid ways, that i think is horiably bad, but they enjoy it...

chirst taste in music is a personle oppion, there is no right and wrong... you may think music is bad, but other pople don't... you can get in to how complcated the music is, but again that is pointles, becuse complcated dose not mean good, and with me in most of my tasts in the way i write story and lyrics, the way i draw, the way i paint the way i take photograths the way animate and film things i try and keep "simple" i perfer simple things, but people mistake the idea that somthing that is simple done can't have complcated meaning or ideas

but i'm geting away from the point i was trying to make... i'm sat here with the radio on, and you know what i have on, i have radio 4... for any one not in the UK that is the classical music stashion... but i may get board of this soon, and i may go put on blink 182 and still enjoy it just as much as i'm enjoying the radio now... but of cousre just becuse i like blink my oppion about music, and there for in your eyes about anything is autoicaly not as good as you....

did you even stop to think that sonet may also like some of the bands you do? i dout it, he likes some populer bands, so he can't be cool like you and lission to unpopuler music, becuse then he would fit outside your stupid contrived viwe of the world

i've had this crap all day from some 18 year old indy girl that can't descied if she wants to go for a drink with my freind becuse her freinds have diffrent tasts in music to me and my friend and our other freinds... she is at a stupid point in her life where she belive that music is everything about a perosn... as amazeing and as an imporant part of my life music is, it is not the only thing that makes me who i am... and her and her freinds can't seem to understand that, there just turning 18 and are moveing out of home, and are feeling so full of self imporants that they can't see past the fact people like diffrent music to them...

and form what i can tell, your just as bad, i've seen you do little that proves you to other than the self imporant git who has his head shoved so far up his *** he can't see what a fool his makeing of him self you really really need to grow up

SubtleDagger 10-22-2004 11:52 PM

[b][size=7]SHUT THE FU[b][i][/b][/i]CK UP, MORONS[/b][/size]

I said that because he decided to make the comment of us liking popular bands, retards.

ATC 10-23-2004 05:16 AM

[QUOTE=SubtleDagger][b][size=7]SHUT THE FU[b][i][/b][/i]CK UP, MORONS[/b][/size]

I said that because he decided to make the comment of us liking popular bands, retards.[/QUOTE]

[SIZE=7]NICE FONT. MORE CHEESE ?? SALAMI??

AH, YES. BINGO.[/SIZE]

SubtleDagger 10-23-2004 06:12 AM

[QUOTE=APS]obviously, if you are listening to a band (unless you go to see them play in their garage every night), they were popular enough for you to have heard about them, and popularity doesnt have to mean a mass media, it can just be around your town. i'm sure you are one of those kids that stopped listening to a band you've been a fan of for years, just because they signed onto a major label. ill give you an extra 10 cool points just because im sure you've done it.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure you're a self-righteous as[b][i][/b][/i]shole and you like to make assumptions about people you don't know just because you disagree with them.

pixiesfanyo 10-23-2004 06:37 AM

Ok..Number 1. Subtle listens to the Barenaked Ladies and Third Eye Blind.

They sure aren't played on the radio.

Number 2, hotcod that was the most nonsensical thing I've ever read in my life. You should be banned for just writing that.


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