Stagediving !
 

I think someone here asked about live shows. I'll try to write some stuff if you don't mind KKKKKocaine :thumb:

[B]Lesson 1[/B] will be about [B]stagediving[/B].

I'm sure none of you can imagine a good concert without mad stagedivings both by musicians and by audience. But you have to know some things before you risk to do it. I mean, some people say: "While you perform live, you can't expect when to stagedive........you see the crowd going mad and here you go.........jump right there, they give you to eachother and after 10 seconds you're back on stage rocking even harder"

A very big no ! These things are just magic tales. Let me write a bit about it.

1. Imagine you're the lead guitarist, you've just played some kickas$ solo, you have 10 seconds to start your second solo and you jump into the crowd and return on stage and go on playing. No ! it won't happen !
Did you know that in a good stagediving angle, your Wooden Les Paul can kill up to 5 people? Well, now you do ! Also, if you're lucky, the only thing missing on your guitar will be your strings. If you're not, the only thing NOT missing on your guitar will be it's strap. So be careful ! :thumb:

2. The same goes for vocalist. Some vocalists get so much energy that while stage diving they forget to leave the microphone on stage. Did you know that in a good angle your mic can hit someone's eye? Yes, now you do !
So don't be surprised to meet 20 people by the door after show.
Also, audience is mad and drunk. This means you can lose even your pants or shoes. No, people don't need your shoes, they just do it because it's fun. Watch your wallet too.

3. Don't stagedive if it's your first show and people don't even give a reaction to your performance...............yes, they won't catch you.

4. Please know how to do it before you try. The best way is to jump on your back. God, I even saw a guitarist who stagedived with his feet down. Of course you don't want to have someone's boots on your face........so, no one caught him and he just kissed the floor.

5. About the audience.........If it's a little bar show it's OK. But in big open-air concerts you must be careful. Because you're not the one who sponsores the show. So DO NOT ever call people to come on stage. Those little kids will be savagely beaten up by "big peni$ security" guys. It's horrible, I hope you never see what the security did in a show I went to. I hate them. Luckily I was far away from there. Anyway, even if any of them manage to come up on stage, they'll already be agressive because of the punch they ate a second ago.....so they'll eather kick your as$ or smash your amps.
So please never call people to stagedive when there's security !

I hope I could help a bit.
Will post something else about live performances soon. :wave:

Good info, thanks. I hope it made people realise how stupid it can be.

I have a solution though, how about just don't stagedive! :p Ok maybe when the crowd is into you or if your band is really popular... most bands are too scared to anyway

[QUOTE=KKKKKocaine]Next Issue; Me dunnoes, Suggestions?[/QUOTE]


How about organising your own gigs: how to find bands to play, all the problems you could face, equipment and so forth..

I disagree with the statement of no good show doesn't have stage diving. If stagediving must occur, let the crowd do it instead of the band.

My tips/rules for gigs would be:

[b]1. Move around a bit up there.[/b] You don't have to go mental and have a spasm, just make use of the space you've got. Of course, the level of activity you have to do varies with the energy of your set. Try and compliment the music. I just did my first gig with a new band, and we all forgot this rule due to first-gig nerves. We all just stood there like shop window dummies on Mogadon. Our music is quite high-energy, so it must have looked a bit incongruous, like we weren't trying. The audience reaction was okay, but it probably would have been a lot better if we'd matched the energy of the music with our actions.

[b]2. Get an adequate soundcheck.[/b] If you're still looking for elementary tips like this, you're probably going to be an opening act on a bill, not a headliner. With this in mind, persuade the other bands/venue to give you a decent soundcheck. It's not nice to watch the other acts larking about on stage for ages, only to find you get ten minutes (or less) to set everything up for yourself. You're the ones who have to warm up the audience, so you should fight for a decent amount of time so you can sound good.

[b]3. Don't get seduced by monitors.[/b] When we did the gig, we spent the majority of our ten minutes (see tip #2) telling the sound guy to turn this up and that down so we each had a decent monitor mix, and pretty much forgot that the audience won't be hearing the monitors. Get someone to stand where the audience will be and give you feedback.

[b]4. Make sure your soundcheck song is the most representative of your sound.[/b] If you have quiet bits and loud bits, slow and fast bits, make sure the soundcheck song has all those bits so that you can test out all the instrument patches you are going to use, and so that you can get the mix sounding good for all aspects of your sound. We devised a song specifically for soundchecks, to combat this problem of choosing a suitable song.

[b]5. Wear earplugs.[/b] They will save wear and tear on your hearing, and good ones can still alow you to hear what's being played/sung. Also, they allow a singer to concentrate on their performance without getting shell-shocked into tone-deafness by huge speakers. I forgot mine, and it worked out okay, but I was still flat/sharp on bits that I do better every time with earplugs in. Also, our bass player is deaf as a post from not wearing them. It doesn't help a band to communicate if they are constantly shouting at each other, even when the music isn't playing.

[b]6. Have something to say in the breaks.[/b] It's a good idea to think about what you're going to say beforehand - you don't have to memorise a script or anything, but standing around going "um...er...." doesn't look good. Plug a CD, or introduce the members or something.

[b]7. Give support to the other bands on the bill.[/b] If you're on first, don't just go off and booze it up whilst the other bands are on. Make them feel wanted (unless they are so awful that you can't stand them). If you are nice to them, they are more likely to be nice to you, which all helps with the perception of those members of the audience who aren't with any of the bands on the bill and are just there to listen to music and enjoy themselves.

[b]8. Check your equipment afterwards.[/b] I'm not talking about making sure your family jewels are intact, but checking that any equipment you borrowed is given back to the band it belongs to, and vice-versa. Especially leads. You don't want a reputation for nicking stuff, you'll find it hard to get a gig soon enough.

[b]9. Enjoy it.[/b] It's fun, so enjoy it! Don't look nervous or like it's causing you pain (unless the pained look is part of the image). The audience can smell fear, and lack of enjoyment is contagious.

[b]10. Don't pull a face if you get a bit wrong.[/b] They won't notice if you just carry on regardless. If you're playing covers and they are all big fans of the song you're covering, they might notice. But if it's your own stuff, and the audience isn't that familiar with it, they probably won't notice anything was wrong.

Great advice thanks for that. :thumb:

can u do something like things you can do to make a show better, like kinda antic things? Like one band I saw a few days ago, the guitar jumped on the bass drum and the singer was like "anyone got any water" and someone in the audiance gave him water:eek: So risky.

priceless ****e dude! keep it up!!

Good stuff... Cheers!

thank you. i think that sums it up.

I haven't seen an issue lately. Has he been busy?

[QUOTE=XemoXmoshXpitX]I haven't seen an issue lately. Has he been busy?[/QUOTE]

We've been redecorating the kitchen, So I probably won't be able to get an Issue done till after the 19th.

Okay, that sounds good.

this thread is pretty sweet...alot of good tips

Hey. Me and my friends have recently started a band. We're an orginial, young anarcho/comedic punk/grunge/ska w/e we do our own unique style.

We are a three peice Drums/guitar/bass + we have vocals. We're in grade 10 at school and we've enterd a BOTB compitition. Witch is in febuary but our music teachers band are gigging at are school in december to help raise monry for our school mini busses and any band thats ready can gig with them.

We already have three orginial songs and one cover.

The teacher said about 6 songs will do for a set and i'm confident we will have more than six by december. After playing one song after school in the music block we gained a few fans who would ussualy be like "FûCKING GOTHICS" but our light emo grunge song won them over. Now at the BOTB in december we wanna really win the whole crowd over. I was thinking being a bit comedic and maybe a stage dive at the end? well I'd be grateful for any tips thanks

I would only stage dive if the crowd really liked you guys, otherwise... let's just say that the ground hurts. A lot.

[QUOTE=PsychoticSouls]Hey. Me and my friends have recently started a band. We're an orginial, young anarcho/comedic punk/grunge/ska w/e we do our own unique style.

We are a three peice Drums/guitar/bass + we have vocals. We're in grade 10 at school and we've enterd a BOTB compitition. Witch is in febuary but our music teachers band are gigging at are school in december to help raise monry for our school mini busses and any band thats ready can gig with them.

We already have three orginial songs and one cover.

The teacher said about 6 songs will do for a set and i'm confident we will have more than six by december. After playing one song after school in the music block we gained a few fans who would ussualy be like "FûCKING GOTHICS" but our light emo grunge song won them over. Now at the BOTB in december we wanna really win the whole crowd over. I was thinking being a bit comedic and maybe a stage dive at the end? well I'd be grateful for any tips thanks[/QUOTE]

I would disagree with the stage dive at one of your first shows. Just nail your songs and look alive and it shouldn't be that hard to win. If you want to get the crowd into it, at least pretend to know what you are doing.

[QUOTE=PsychoticSouls]Hey. Me and my friends have recently started a band. We're an orginial, young anarcho/comedic punk/grunge/ska w/e we do our own unique style.

We are a three peice Drums/guitar/bass + we have vocals. We're in grade 10 at school and we've enterd a BOTB compitition. Witch is in febuary but our music teachers band are gigging at are school in december to help raise monry for our school mini busses and any band thats ready can gig with them.

We already have three orginial songs and one cover.

The teacher said about 6 songs will do for a set and i'm confident we will have more than six by december. After playing one song after school in the music block we gained a few fans who would ussualy be like "FûCKING GOTHICS" but our light emo grunge song won them over. Now at the BOTB in december we wanna really win the whole crowd over. I was thinking being a bit comedic and maybe a stage dive at the end? well I'd be grateful for any tips thanks[/QUOTE]

dude , i'd rather not. try looking at the crowds point of view,i dont think they'll appreciate a not so popular new band diving at them :D

as the guy earlier said, rawk it out on stage!..

cheers.

exactly, the real point in stage diving is that the audience gets to touch you. Why would they want to touch you if they just heard of you, because you'd just be a normal person.

ok, it's past 19th, where is the new issue? *hits table*
he has to come up with something now... heh.

He said around the 19th, and where I am, it still is the 19th for another 40 minutes...so lay off him, personally I give him kudos for keeping up with this for so long and keeping it so informative...

[-Draz-]

Yeah, you should lay off of him consider your happness at he has chosen to do this.

You'd be worse off if he chose not to.

Right the kitchen is done now, with the exception of the cooker hood and the carpet, It's quite nice to have a working kitchen, but I'm on a boxers diet so there isn't much I can cook anyhow :)

I should be doing the next Issue today when I get back from college, I'm too sleepy to stay in for DJ tech.

I'm gonna try and do some bits on copyright and the preforming rights society.

^yup, that's what i wanna read next.

guys, i was only being sarcastic... i knew i should've use a smiley or something. well at least he knows i was only joking, like my previous posts.

can't say this enough: kudos to kocaine!

I do promise to get the article done tommorrow, Sorry it's been about twenty days late, I am currently panicing over a gig in approximately 3 hours.

Good luck with the gig...and I can understand the time it took to re-do a kitchen...been there, done that :upset:

[-Draz-]

[QUOTE=KKKKKocaine]I do promise to get the article done tommorrow, Sorry it's been about twenty days late, I am currently panicing over a gig in approximately 3 hours.[/QUOTE]

a 1pm gig? explain

err, he lives in england I think. It was 3pm when he posted that, so the gig must be at about 6pm

Well I just got back from the gig.
How did it go?
Well to put it one way, after our set we were met by a man, he informed us he worked for Creative FM and did an hours set on fridays showcasing local bands, He'd recorded our set live and loved it, and was there to tell us we'd be on tommorrows show, he then gave us his phone number and asked us to call him when we got a demo done, he then went through his credentials and listed some of the groups he'd worked with e.t.c.
The headliners said we were great, the other bands said we were great, although this was wasted flattery in trying to get me to come to the pit.
All in all it was great, and it was most humerous to be referred to as
"hey bandage these hearts guy, your great"

All in all, it was a fantastic gig.

Wow, sounded great. Could be hearing about your band in the not to distant future then...

do you guys have a webby?

[url]www.bandage-these-hearts.tk[/url]

Demo coming in about 3-4 weeks.

For some reason it's coming up with musician forums in front... weird. Anyway, congrats on the radio stuff man! :thumb:

theres the proper link:
[url]http://www.bandage-these-hearts.tk/[/url]

:naughty:

btw, what do you play KKKKKocaine?

he plays drums, and background vox?

not sure if you've already an issue on this, but maybe something on PA systems?

I thought he did vocals...

I think hes still writing the other article

[QUOTE=DruMMeR_BoY14]
not sure if you've already an issue on this, but maybe something on PA systems?[/QUOTE]

Or just music tech in general?? That is, for the issue after next.

[QUOTE=bmxinbassist]
btw, what do you play KKKKKocaine?[/QUOTE]

I can play,
Drums
Clarinet
Recorder
Piano
Glockenspiel
Vibraphone
Vocals

I cannot however, even begin to understand the basic concept of guitars or other string instruments, I have amazing respect for anyone who can listen to a piece of music and work out what string the guitarist is playing, with what finger on what fret e.t.c.

However, in the band I just do vocals. :)

Just a quick question..What songs are bands expected to know when playing a party? Kkkkkocain said somewhere (at least I think its him) that having a band at a party is kind of like having a live jukebox..So what should this jukebox have in it?

it depends what type of party it is and who it id for. if its for a load of metal heads then you dont want to be covering some hardcore trance album do you? it all depends really

I dont have a gig or anything coming up, hell I dony ever have a band, but I'd like to know this stuff. Just..songs that bands are expected to know if they're playing like a fourth of July party for their friends party.