[QUOTE=Burningwater]Is my unsmooth singing voice(too much vibration when recording) a lack of strong vocal chords/muscles?[/QUOTE]

vibrato is quite natural for some people. some people want it and dont have it. as long as the tone is fluctuating in key i wouldnt worry. if youre actually talking about vibrato. otherwise....if it doesnt sound good then youre either closing your throat or youre weak or who knows what. you should send in an example.

[QUOTE=Teh Jude]I can't sing, at all.
I have a relatively lower than normal voice(I'm a girl) and I can't seem to go more than a not above my speaking range.
I can scream way above it, and make it sound OK.
I can't sing though.
What should I do?
-And I hate metal. Don't want to be a screamer.[/QUOTE]

it could be that
1. youre just not made for higher notes with your cords and:
2. your falsetto starts earlier than you like or
3. youre closing off your throat as you try to pull up on the cords for a higher note, a common occurence. read my replies in this thread below. i know you dont want to know how to scream but the principals are all the same. :wave:

[url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214130[/url]

[QUOTE=Deftone]I've got a big problem. My throat is always always covered with phlegm. This prevents me from singing high. Well high for me at least. I've got a relatively low speaking voice but when I try to sing, the phlegm in my throat contstantly prevents me from singing high. It'll either make my voice crack or just make no sound come out of throat. Is there anyway to get rid of this? I'm not talking about singing high like Geddy Lee of Rush or Coheed and Cambria but like a lot of songs by Thrice. I can sing some of them but I really can't when he sings high. Please help![/QUOTE]

1. drink more water
2. smoking causes it
3. alcohol causes it
4. caffeine can make you have it
5. you could have a drainage problem with your sinuses(hope not)
6. be sure to warm up, try to sing some of it away lightly.
7. say no to milk, heavy foods, watch your diet, etc. when you eat the mucous in your body increases in relation to what you eat.
8. water
9. water
10. oh, and water.
11. and no...no tea, honey and lemon or anything you drink directly affects your cords, contrary to the movies and what people do. if it were so, you woould be choking on the drink!

[QUOTE=Deftone]No I don't think I can even go falsetto because my throat prevents me from doing it. It's really frustrating. Thanks for the help though. I guess maybe Thrice songs are out of my range.[/QUOTE]

if you dont have falsetto, then youre lacking your set of false vocal cords, which is really unlikely. so its not your throat, its you thats not allowing it. You just have to find it, or swallow your pride and go take some lessons. look at my posts in the thread about "how do i scream, theres no singing forum...."
something like that. im too lazy to go get the link. :p

[QUOTE=jackblack]oh man, this is so cool...a bunch of guys talking about singing...and actually knowing what they are talking about...being a choir bumb, i find this impossibly cool. ANYWAY, i'd like to ask you all, is it possible to scream without damaging your voice? If there's a way, i'd take it...i can belt, i can yell on pitch, but cannot for the life of me scream on pitch...any help? or has this already been answered? a way to scream while maintaning a chamber-choir-quality voice, much like switching between the 'clean' and 'distorted' channels on you amplifier? or is that impossible?[/QUOTE]

read my replies in the post downstairs about "how do i scream, there are no singing forums..." something like that. again, im too lazy to go get the link.

[QUOTE=sliver]new acoustic recordings.

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/2/slivermusic.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

ugh. Sorry sliver, but that guitar had way too much compression and EQing. Let the poor thing breathe, dammit!

Oh yeah, nice singing.

i like your singing man, alot.

right, are you american, well silly me of course you are.

but you yanks (no offence) always have voices which puts great emphasis on your accent...us english don't have that :(

oh btw, you sound like chris Carrabba, which is something you should be very proud of

keep up the good work mate :)

who is chris carrabba?

[QUOTE=sliver]new acoustic recordings.

[url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/2/slivermusic.htm[/url][/QUOTE]

your still amazing, do you have a band?

So in learning to sing. Do I have to be able to be born with the right vocal cords to sing? Or is it something you lean such as an insturment and eventually get good at it?

[QUOTE=Guitar Symphony]So in learning to sing. Do I have to be able to be born with the right vocal cords to sing? Or is it something you lean such as an insturment and eventually get good at it?[/QUOTE]
from what i have read in this forum and many others, there are naturals but if you want to sing well, you must work hard at it. and yes, you eventually get better.

[QUOTE=Guitar Symphony]So in learning to sing. Do I have to be able to be born with the right vocal cords to sing? Or is it something you lean such as an insturment and eventually get good at it?[/QUOTE]


anybody can learn to sing to a pretty decent level. i would say at least good enough to be in a general band. now pushing and screaming and other tricks are another thing. But yes, some people are born with more ability than others of course. but if you think you cant sing you can. you might not be able to do everything you want, but with work you can accomplish alot. again the most common thing people do is mix their vocal cord muscles with there throat muscles. when you learn to isolate them you can work on strengthening and energizing the cords. its kinda like playing the guitar with gloves on. you can do a little but you cant get the feel that it takes to move to the next level. I used to always mess around and sing with the songs i liked and hold a note. but higher notes and stuff i never thought i would be able to sing when i was younger so i never really thought about singin. i too thought it was about being born with it or not. but something clicked and i realized i could do alot. anyone on the planet that isnt handicapped by something can run a mile in under 6 minutes. under 5 is exceptional, under 4 is olympic. but ****, under 6 is good, relatively. but noone wants to work to get there. it might take some a long time, it might take others a short while. but its attainable. might seem impossible at times. but it is. the same thing with anything i think. and the voice is the same. the shape and size of the throat along with the general thickness of the cords and the strength of them are all different traits that could be inherited to make an exceptional singer. but in general it doesnt matter. gah, ever see made on mtv(if youre ever watch mtv.) they had a chubby young guy on there that pretty much sucked as much as you could. but by the time his training was done he could do a pretty good job at opera songs, considering his past ability. and opera songs are hard. point blank. so just practice. and you shouldnt have pain or have to strain when starting out training your voice. keep at it.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]anybody can learn to sing to a pretty decent level. i would say at least good enough to be in a general band. now pushing and screaming and other tricks are another thing. But yes, some people are born with more ability than others of course. but if you think you cant sing you can. you might not be able to do everything you want, but with work you can accomplish alot. again the most common thing people do is mix their vocal cord muscles with there throat muscles. when you learn to isolate them you can work on strengthening and energizing the cords. its kinda like playing the guitar with gloves on. you can do a little but you cant get the feel that it takes to move to the next level. I used to always mess around and sing with the songs i liked and hold a note. but higher notes and stuff i never thought i would be able to sing when i was younger so i never really thought about singin. i too thought it was about being born with it or not. but something clicked and i realized i could do alot. anyone on the planet that isnt handicapped by something can run a mile in under 6 minutes. under 5 is exceptional, under 4 is olympic. but ****, under 6 is good, relatively. but noone wants to work to get there. it might take some a long time, it might take others a short while. but its attainable. might seem impossible at times. but it is. the same thing with anything i think. and the voice is the same. the shape and size of the throat along with the general thickness of the cords and the strength of them are all different traits that could be inherited to make an exceptional singer. but in general it doesnt matter. gah, ever see made on mtv(if youre ever watch mtv.) they had a chubby young guy on there that pretty much sucked as much as you could. but by the time his training was done he could do a pretty good job at opera songs, considering his past ability. and opera songs are hard. point blank. so just practice. and you shouldnt have pain or have to strain when starting out training your voice. keep at it.[/QUOTE]

wow, thanks a lot. I might take up learning to sing. I think I've got what it takes. My old choir teacher used to teach our class how to sing and what not, from there I learned to use my diaphramn and sing through that and not use mostly the throat cause it can screw ur voice to all hell. I've been singing my lyrics that i write cause they come from the heart and I'm not afaid to sing out loud. But when parents aren't home I try a few things.

Question: Is the singer from Muse a good learn? I LOVE his style of singing, but I doubt I can hit the high notes like he can. I know I can sing bass but it's just boring when I wanna sing out loud from the heart y'know? lol

[QUOTE=Guitar Symphony]wow, thanks a lot. I might take up learning to sing. I think I've got what it takes. My old choir teacher used to teach our class how to sing and what not, from there I learned to use my diaphramn and sing through that and not use mostly the throat cause it can screw ur voice to all hell. I've been singing my lyrics that i write cause they come from the heart and I'm not afaid to sing out loud. But when parents aren't home I try a few things.

Question: Is the singer from Muse a good learn? I LOVE his style of singing, but I doubt I can hit the high notes like he can. I know I can sing bass but it's just boring when I wanna sing out loud from the heart y'know? lol[/QUOTE]

I've heard alot about muse but dont recall what they sound like. I'll have to check them out. but yea, singing from the diphragm is key. and if you want to sing then go for it. i didnt think i would end up in love with it as much as i am now. but i dont go a day without singing. for me i use my car and my drives as a chance to train. and yea, i could never sing worth a shlt in front of family, or friends that i know didnt really get my musical tastes. if you sing bass it might be hard to get up high, but with training you might realize that you have a higher range than you thought. its true that you can only go so high. and everyone isnt the same. thing is that you dont know until you train. you might really have a register higher than the guy from muse you know. never sell yourself short.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]I've heard alot about muse but dont recall what they sound like. I'll have to check them out. but yea, singing from the diphragm is key. and if you want to sing then go for it. i didnt think i would end up in love with it as much as i am now. but i dont go a day without singing. for me i use my car and my drives as a chance to train. and yea, i could never sing worth a shlt in front of family, or friends that i know didnt really get my musical tastes. if you sing bass it might be hard to get up high, but with training you might realize that you have a higher range than you thought. its true that you can only go so high. and everyone isnt the same. thing is that you dont know until you train. you might really have a register higher than the guy from muse you know. never sell yourself short.[/QUOTE]

Haha, I think I know I can sing higher then bass, I just have to use a twice the force to sing higher whether it sounds good I don't know. Would need to have someone hear me. I attempted singing higher recently (in the shower of course lol) and I think it came out well (but again, I don't know it really sounds good. never recorded it or anything).

Question: Does hooking a mic up to my guitar amp kind of tell me how my singing sounds? Cause I heard that when someone talks that their voice sounds different from what they think. I recorded my voice through the comp with a cheap headphone type thing, just to hear my voice and it's SOO differnt. It might be the mic, or the computer since I'm just using the default Sound Recorder that comes with windows. :p

[QUOTE=italic zero]ugh. Sorry sliver, but that guitar had way too much compression and EQing. Let the poor thing breathe, dammit!

Oh yeah, nice singing.[/QUOTE]

Yah you're right, I didn't do the mixing on it my friend did, don't worry :) its just a rough demo for now.


[QUOTE=knappster]i like your singing man, alot.

right, are you american, well silly me of course you are.

but you yanks (no offence) always have voices which puts great emphasis on your accent...us english don't have that :(

oh btw, you sound like chris Carrabba, which is something you should be very proud of

keep up the good work mate :)[/QUOTE]


thanks, I don't know who this chris carrabba character is though. and i'm actualy canadian... i guess we talk the same as americans, except people from new york and from the south.


[QUOTE=ScorpSath]your still amazing, do you have a band?[/QUOTE]

yeah i do, we're going to be recording our album by the end of august. I'll post some tracks on here for you guys.

Very nice guides Silver!

I have a pretty bad problem. I can sing as loud, or soft as I want. I'm very versatile. I can imitate many artists out right now. But...whenever I try singing in front of ANYBODY, I get extremely nervous and forget all the lyrics of what I was going to sing, I blush a lot, and I don't know what to do. Doesn't matter who I'm in front of, close friends, family, even just one person and I freeze. I know this may have something related to not being comfortable with my voice, but I don't know what to do to get comfortable with it. I've tried somethings now, but they haven't worked.

Oh yes, and I've been a lurker for quite some time now. Thought it would be time to join. ^_^ Everybody here is very welcoming, unlike some other forums I go to.

hallo...well this is my question:

I really like to sing but i never do it in front of other people, im in the chorous of my school but I dont know if its maybe because they needed people or because I do sing decently...
I have a band and our lead singer left :evil: and i used to make the background voices so everybody in my band started to ask me to sing...and I would do it but, i odnt have a good voice, i mean i am on tune but i would like to sing better, should i take classes i will time make my voice better?

alright im a girl and im 13 and people have said i can sing and people have said im absolutely horrible... one reason i sound bad is because my voice is very deep for a girl im almost a tenor and if i try to sing the upper range of alto my voice cracks... yeah i know thats really weird... but then i can sing like the high notes in bohemian rhapsody and i can also sing soprano... i mean all i can say is my voice is deep and its hard to sing many many rock songs with my weird range

my question is though should i try and sing soprano which i can only do part of, or like mix the octaves with lower alto and high tenor cause it is hard for me...
also, is it normal for my voice to crack i mean im a GIRL...

Some things I thought about while reading this thread.
 

Two things:
1) For those lacking body in their voice try to think about what your throat does when you yawn. Your throat should expand in the space between your chin and your adam's apple. Try to reproduce that when you are singing. It helps.

2) A note on changing tenor to bass, etc.: I'm not sure of any exact technique for lower or raising the range of the vocal chords. However, my stepfather tells me he was a tenor and sang duets with his mother in his church choir that would bring the old folks to tears (not literally I don't think). Upon doing a decent stretch in the army he has become a bass and has become to a degree "tone deaf." Also, I think it's interesting to note the vast difference in the voice of Eric Clapton when he was in Derek and the Dominoes and his voice on From the Cradle (a great blues album I bought for my dad). His voice sounds more like Louie Armstrong's on From the Cradle.

Hey i've read through a lot of this and been lurking for a while. I can sing rather decently but a few days ago I was going loud just for the hell of it. Suddenly today I can't hit anything high, I actually noticed a slight chest pain.

I'm totally lost as to what is causing it i'm guessing improper breathing at some time..but I don't know when. Any help would be greatly appreciated, and the day I was singing high I also gave a shot at screaming so that could have done it. It seemed absolutely fine at the time though the sound was coming from my gut and not my throat..problem free without pain.


Thanks a ton in advance and awesome forums.
(Note: I was asthmatic when I was young...that could mean something)

i have a question

i dont know if uve heard audioslave, but the vocalist chris cornell does this scream thing sometimes that doesnt sound like screaming, more like distortion but it might be screaming. If someone knows what im talking about could you tell me how i could od that?

also are there any exercises that help increase range, mainly in the higher range.

[QUOTE=Guitar Symphony]So in learning to sing. Do I have to be able to be born with the right vocal cords to sing? Or is it something you lean such as an insturment and eventually get good at it?[/QUOTE]

you can learn it. there are only six singing vowels. ay, ee, I, oh, u, and ah
thats it. everything else is a mixture of those, or a consanent. which is interrupting just noise produced by your mouth and tongue. so the key is to get your proper breath support from the gut, and to be able to seperate the vocal muscles from the throat muscles. the bad thing is that most people have learned improper breathing and learned incorrect vocalizing. even talking incorrectly. so go here and read my replies. i hope you can get some useful info. [url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]

[QUOTE=Guitar Symphony]Haha, I think I know I can sing higher then bass, I just have to use a twice the force to sing higher whether it sounds good I don't know. Would need to have someone hear me. I attempted singing higher recently (in the shower of course lol) and I think it came out well (but again, I don't know it really sounds good. never recorded it or anything).

Question: Does hooking a mic up to my guitar amp kind of tell me how my singing sounds? Cause I heard that when someone talks that their voice sounds different from what they think. I recorded my voice through the comp with a cheap headphone type thing, just to hear my voice and it's SOO differnt. It might be the mic, or the computer since I'm just using the default Sound Recorder that comes with windows. :p[/QUOTE]

analog is always the best, but that would have to be good quality because a slower or faster motor makes your voice sound different. any decent digital device is a good go. I would try to run it through a mixer into the comp, or as clean as possible without going through an amp or anything ya know, so there is nothing between your voice and the recording device. a guitar amp isnt the best because its built for higher pitches, like a bass amp isnt good for a guitarist. now a PA speaker/system is for the voice. And yes, a cheap mic just doesnt have the responses and nuances that it takes to get a good representation of the vibrations youre causing in the air. it just cant pick it up. try to get a decent mic. my friend borrowed mine but i have two Shure mics. not sure what model. but Shure is a good mic. they were each about 160 dollars. a decent mic can be had for about 50. if you can get a good mic. try to find a cheep Shure. or a used one. just disinfect it good first! in any event it is very important that you listen to your own voice. Because you do sound differently than what you here yourself. know why? and this is cool. because when you sing or talk, youre hearing with your body, like an antenna. the resonance and vibration of your nasal cavities, brain, head size and shape, lung area, body density, etc, plays a very significant part in the vibrations that reach your hammer,anvil and stirrup(from science class) and extremely, youre also hearing with your toes. to make my point, your whole body vibrates when you talk/sing. And this is why meditationalists use specifice sounds, chants, and mantras when doing certain meditation. and i am a meditation/ spiritual freak. so i know about that(mantras also work wonders for breath/vocal control). but most people dont take it serious, or have reservations about it. the fact that you can alter your mind by chanting certain words. everything is energy vibrating. everything. so manipulating energy is manipulating vibrations. Thats why singing or listening can make you really feel a certain way. Anyways, you should send me some samples. i might be able to critique.
see ya

[QUOTE=deat]Very nice guides Silver!

I have a pretty bad problem. I can sing as loud, or soft as I want. I'm very versatile. I can imitate many artists out right now. But...whenever I try singing in front of ANYBODY, I get extremely nervous and forget all the lyrics of what I was going to sing, I blush a lot, and I don't know what to do. Doesn't matter who I'm in front of, close friends, family, even just one person and I freeze. I know this may have something related to not being comfortable with my voice, but I don't know what to do to get comfortable with it. I've tried somethings now, but they haven't worked.

Oh yes, and I've been a lurker for quite some time now. Thought it would be time to join. ^_^ Everybody here is very welcoming, unlike some other forums I go to.[/QUOTE]

Thats not a problem, unless of course, you want to sing professionally!

All i can tell you is to practice to the point to where you so confident that its not a problem. i mean the first times are definitely worse than the others, and youre gonna grow and learn along the way, but it can be way more fun and not painful, if you make sure you have enough practice that youre confident you'll get it all right. after that, there is no point in worrying about it, just realize that youre gonna blow people away.

[QUOTE=Ninjerk]Two things:
1) For those lacking body in their voice try to think about what your throat does when you yawn. Your throat should expand in the space between your chin and your adam's apple. Try to reproduce that when you are singing. It helps.

2) A note on changing tenor to bass, etc.: I'm not sure of any exact technique for lower or raising the range of the vocal chords. However, my stepfather tells me he was a tenor and sang duets with his mother in his church choir that would bring the old folks to tears (not literally I don't think). Upon doing a decent stretch in the army he has become a bass and has become to a degree "tone deaf." Also, I think it's interesting to note the vast difference in the voice of Eric Clapton when he was in Derek and the Dominoes and his voice on From the Cradle (a great blues album I bought for my dad). His voice sounds more like Louie Armstrong's on From the Cradle.[/QUOTE]

you can sing ohs and low ohs to help add body to your voice. and yes, its about learning to open your throat. this is always in my posts. that is where you get resonance and tone, from having an open throat so the sound can bounce properly. just experiment. and take more than fifteen minutes one day to learn your voice. it takes a long time if youre not a "natural" .

as far as range. there are muscles that pull your cords tigher/thinner, and those that pull them shorter thicker. you just have to work with this muscles. try to hit lower and lower or higher and higher. the catch is that you must have a relaxed open throat so that you can get enough airflow so that you can actually get the airflow so that you can activate the cords at the note youre trying to reach. be careful when going up in pitch because your cords are thinner. dont over push and make sure youre pushing from the gut, not the throat. doing staccato "ha" 's helps build strength. staccato means there is a quick pause between. broken. not connected(legato is connected) be sure to come from the gut. This is neat. The H sound is the air passing when activate the cords the air is already passing so to shut it off to activate the cords, this is extra work. but its balanced by the staccato-ness. so the muscles that open get worked as much as the ones that close. its like clapping your hands together as mark Baxter puts it. clap your hands together a few times. then alternate between clapping and almost clapping but not clapping. you can see how much work is done to not let them clap. this is basically what your cords are doing. hhhh is the air, aaah is the activation. off, on , off, on, etc. . becareful not to push to hard when doing higher ranges with this exercise. you should be able to get a high pitch without pushing hard.

[QUOTE=XAna_ElizzaX]hallo...well this is my question:

I really like to sing but i never do it in front of other people, im in the chorous of my school but I dont know if its maybe because they needed people or because I do sing decently...
I have a band and our lead singer left :evil: and i used to make the background voices so everybody in my band started to ask me to sing...and I would do it but, i odnt have a good voice, i mean i am on tune but i would like to sing better, should i take classes i will time make my voice better?[/QUOTE]
both. it is imperative that you have alone time. where you feel totally comfortable and there noone to judge you. for me, this is my car. (just dont compete with the volume too much). you have to find your own limits and be able to experiment with your sounds. so that if you do something that sucks, noone is there but you. and you can try to manipulate your throat and voice until you find the good stuff for you. but yes a teacher would help you immensley. and time of course is a part of life. its up to you if you will get better with it!

[QUOTE=sevenseasofrhye]alright im a girl and im 13 and people have said i can sing and people have said im absolutely horrible... one reason i sound bad is because my voice is very deep for a girl im almost a tenor and if i try to sing the upper range of alto my voice cracks... yeah i know thats really weird... but then i can sing like the high notes in bohemian rhapsody and i can also sing soprano... i mean all i can say is my voice is deep and its hard to sing many many rock songs with my weird range

my question is though should i try and sing soprano which i can only do part of, or like mix the octaves with lower alto and high tenor cause it is hard for me...
also, is it normal for my voice to crack i mean im a GIRL...[/QUOTE]

a peniz or a vagina plays no part in your vocal technique. So no its not normal to break(crack). if your voice breaks, you either dont have the strength for that note, or your throat is not open and relaxed and your tensing it, causing restricted irregular airflow. The term break as a noun is the area between registers where you have to switch your technique between chest, head, and falsetto voices. just practice until you know when you need to change the muscles working the area. a vocal instructor is good for this because lots of times they can put there hand on your throat and be able to tell what youre doing. the falsetto is the highest and you open your cords and use them less, in a different way. so thats why you can get the higher range. bu it sounds like youre just a little weak. you should be able to go from your lowest note all the way up to your highest with one breath without missing anything. this is called an gliss...up. or down. are you saying you cant do this? if you cant then you are probably avoiding the break areas between the three registers because you dont have the strength/control to be able to keep the airflow constant and the cords moving. more about control than strength. you must have an open throat. try it with "ah" and make sure you are singing from your gut. and not pushing at the throat area. and also since youre a girl, you should be careful around your period time. warm up more and warm down more. your cords swell up along with the rest of your body when your period is on. they get bloated too! so be sure to stay hydrated and warmed up/down. keep us posted. oh and go here. at least read my replies in the screams part. [url]http://www.musicianforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=219911[/url]

hey im tryin to learn to sing an i was stuffin around an recorded this. [url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/gnikregrubmusic.htm[/url]

Can i work with my voice?? i hate listenin to it
Is there anything i can do improve??

Thanks in advance :thumb:

ahahahaha "FRIEND" isnt part of it on the end, :p i was just stuffin around when my mate was over

[QUOTE=Winter-seed...AKA b&h]hey im tryin to learn to sing an i was stuffin around an recorded this. [url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/3/gnikregrubmusic.htm[/url]

Can i work with my voice?? i hate listenin to it
Is there anything i can do improve??

Thanks in advance :thumb:

ahahahaha "FRIEND" isnt part of it on the end, :p i was just stuffin around when my mate was over[/QUOTE]

youre not that bad off. especially for that style of music. kinda sounds like new found gloryish?? the quality isnt the best but i can hear you've got good tone. I can also hear that it sounds like you arent taking quite enough breath because it sounds like youre not coming from your gut enough. especially the last stanza. thats what makes you go more nasal. youre trying to stretch the resonance of the sound by going slightly nasal because there isnt enough pressure to sustain that note. because you sound like youre running out of air. that shouldnt be the case in this type of song. be sure you breathe correctly. so that when you inhale your belly button goes out and your stomach expands. some people breathe from their ribs. so they take a deep breath but dont take much in, and thusly dont have as much as they think. you should have a little bubble of pressure behind the cords and the control of the push should not be felt in the throat, but in the midsection. so at the end of your verse there, your belly button shoud be going in and up so to speak. it sounds like you were throating it. thats why it went more nasal. you can get the same sound if you want(like Time of your life, Greenday) but its just stronger, truer, more defined, more consistent... when coming from the gut. kinda like that same greenday song(kinda whiney but still upfront). but again, nothing is extreme in this sample, so dont go berzerk with adjutments or ideas in your head. nothing i say is gospel. so breath to the gut, bring it from the gut and not the throat. and open up and relax.

thanks for that............but the strage thing i dont get is,like on some songs i sound alright but then on others i can do fine with singing them in key but my voice sounds really bad an nasely even if i have enough breath

no ideas?

[QUOTE=DasUberEdward]Hey i've read through a lot of this and been lurking for a while. I can sing rather decently but a few days ago I was going loud just for the hell of it. Suddenly today I can't hit anything high, I actually noticed a slight chest pain.

I'm totally lost as to what is causing it i'm guessing improper breathing at some time..but I don't know when. Any help would be greatly appreciated, and the day I was singing high I also gave a shot at screaming so that could have done it. It seemed absolutely fine at the time though the sound was coming from my gut and not my throat..problem free without pain.


Thanks a ton in advance and awesome forums.
(Note: I was asthmatic when I was young...that could mean something)[/QUOTE]

sorry to pass over you.
oh yea, it maybe related to the extra effort of your lungs. but singing usually tends to help out. just keep practicing it wil help to work the lungs and diagphram. if its your first time or times trying to go up in range youre going to lose it just out of fatigue. just stay hydrated, warm up, warm down, and dont think that just because your going up in pitch that you have to go up in pressure. you do, but not as much as people think if you stay open and from the gut because the cords get thinner, like the little e string on a guitar. you can pluck it too hard. keep practicing and dont force too much air, even when you scream.you shouldnt have to push more than 80% ever. at the end of a session i will go all out to help build strength. but you dont want to do that early because you have to practice acitvating the cords and using the muscles to hold there until you get it into muscle memory. plus if you push too hard the air is just gonna blow past the cords and youre not gonna get good tone. your lungs are always gonna be stronger than your cords. so you should never push 100% unless you know what youre doing. plus, over time you bow the cords up and they cant seal properly. plus you run into those treacherous career danger words like nodes, nodules, tears, polyps, calous, paralysis. so trust me. get the tone and screams at around 50 to 70 percent until you get it down. make the tone first, then go for the rasp. after a while you can do it at the same time, if you want to scream. just practice singing first. get the high pitches with good tone. work with the extra push of screams and harder stuff at the end of the session. warm up, stay hydrated, warm down. i 've posted particulars on this in the sticky. hope this helps. see ya

[QUOTE=Winter-seed...AKA b&h]thanks for that............but the strage thing i dont get is,like on some songs i sound alright but then on others i can do fine with singing them in key but my voice sounds really bad an nasely even if i have enough breath[/QUOTE]

Are the songs you sound nasally on generally high in pitch? Are you trying to hard to smile? Girls in my chorus class years ago used to smile so much they let their mouth close. Also, someone said earlier not to use your nose to breathe when you're singing. It's quite important to only breathe through your mouth.

[QUOTE=Merkaba-1]sorry to pass over you.
oh yea, it maybe related to the extra effort of your lungs. but singing usually tends to help out. just keep practicing it wil help to work the lungs and diagphram. if its your first time or times trying to go up in range youre going to lose it just out of fatigue. just stay hydrated, warm up, warm down, and dont think that just because your going up in pitch that you have to go up in pressure. you do, but not as much as people think if you stay open and from the gut because the cords get thinner, like the little e string on a guitar. you can pluck it too hard. keep practicing and dont force too much air, even when you scream.you shouldnt have to push more than 80% ever. at the end of a session i will go all out to help build strength. but you dont want to do that early because you have to practice acitvating the cords and using the muscles to hold there until you get it into muscle memory. plus if you push too hard the air is just gonna blow past the cords and youre not gonna get good tone. your lungs are always gonna be stronger than your cords. so you should never push 100% unless you know what youre doing. plus, over time you bow the cords up and they cant seal properly. plus you run into those treacherous career danger words like nodes, nodules, tears, polyps, calous, paralysis. so trust me. get the tone and screams at around 50 to 70 percent until you get it down. make the tone first, then go for the rasp. after a while you can do it at the same time, if you want to scream. just practice singing first. get the high pitches with good tone. word the the extra push of screams and stuff at the end of the session. warm up, stay hydrated, warm down. i 've posted particulars on this in the sticky. hope this helps. see ya[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the advice..you're doing a huge favor to the community.

[QUOTE=j0s1ah]who is chris carrabba?[/QUOTE]

Dashboard Confessional. Many emo bands seem to have a distintive accent in their voices, as someone has already said. Me and a few mates are starting an emo band pretty soon and someone needs to sing. I can only really sing in a punk style english voice ie Johhny Rotten, Joe Strummer. I wanna learn how to sing like emo bands do so is it worth learning how to sing naturally first or should i just go straight for learning the 'American way'? That probably made no sense at all. But anyway. Oh yea I can scream well enough so will that help?

[QUOTE=sid_took_punk_to_the_grave]Dashboard Confessional. Many emo bands seem to have a distintive accent in their voices, as someone has already said. Me and a few mates are starting an emo band pretty soon and someone needs to sing. I can only really sing in a punk style english voice ie Johhny Rotten, Joe Strummer. I wanna learn how to sing like emo bands do so is it worth learning how to sing naturally first or should i just go straight for learning the 'American way'? That probably made no sense at all. But anyway. Oh yea I can scream well enough so will that help?[/QUOTE]
i feel like an idiot. dashboard is like one of my fav bands....lol.

did everyone just decide to skip over my post or something?

i actually was writing to it the other night and i somehow didnt get the post up. i listen to Chris every day. I can do anysong of his that i want. its not that hard. but getting his upper range is more work than anything. but what youe talking about is basically the same thing. that scrape. more or less of it. mid and upper mid range tones you can play around with more because you can get more vocal cord activation in them. so if you make sure you have an open throat, push from the gut and not the throat, and learn to relax and keep an open throat gives you that nice resonance and you can scrape it a little to get that distorted affect. like in the song im listening to now. Sweet sunshower. its all the same technique to sum up. trust me. i gotta get to work. but read my sticky if you havent already. oh, and whats your fave audioslave songs. i love Last remaining light, and shadow of the sun. kick *** album.

thanks for the reply, i will look for ur sticky.

my favorite songs are probably bring em back alive, its fun to sing and play.