Silver - check out the new mp3? It has some of your style screaming on there, at least I think i did it decently. Just checking to make sure you know I reposted.

[QUOTE=italic zero]Gah! Pushing my falsetto "up" makes the pitch go up a ridiculous amount, even with whisper it's way higher than what I want. Sounds like high screaming DM vocalists.[/QUOTE]

I also have this problem sometimes, however with practise you can learn to make the falsetto not so DM and high pitched :chug:

I know this is old in a way, but I dont think you covered one type of scream... at least I have no idea on how to reach it.

Check out some Haste The Day, more specifically Who we are (you can get some clear screams in that one).

I noticed how his voice is 'scratchy' right away, but sounds kind of like your technique. Any idea how he got this? If you covered this already, I must have missed it, so you could just point me to it... if not... yea...

Thanks.

i've been testing a away of screaming. its kinda weird, but u ever try cracking your voice on purpose to sound like a funny 13 year old? get that pitch and push air out and get it kinda scratchy, it sounds sorta like a sccream

Say Sliver, I saw what you said about raising your cheekbones high up and all for the scream, but is there a way to do a type of shout thing more then a scream? Like not as loud?

I don't think you can do a shout scream in falsetto. So you gotta ruin your voice :cool:

How can I scream like Vendetta Red?

Hey Guys:
I 've been reading all 9 pages of this thread, and I can tell ya...screaming in the context of singing in a song is very" in" right now......
I am 44 years old, but I have been singing professionally for 23 years now. Hard rock, 80's metal....I have studied & practiced for many years. The truth is, and it has been said a few times in this thread, that screaming, will destroy your vocal chords over the long run. How long do you intend to be "doing" a singing career is the first question I would ask myself.
The key here is to minimalize the damage, and of course that takes technique & many years of practice. I notice a lot of you guys are just starting our 14-17 years old. If your in this age range, remember, you voice & vocal chords are not fully developed yet, so your style & range & actual tone will change somewhat as you get into your early 20's.
Back in the late 70's & early 80's when I first started doing larger shows & arena's, I studied all the great singers of those days. Rob Halford...Excellent screamer, I am hoping he still has the same range & power when he goes out on tour this summer.
I have heard this from all my teachers..."Your voice is your instrument". as I have gotten older , this is so true. I am fortunate, I don't drink. smoke, or do drugs, so I can sing ,as long or as strong as any 20 yo rock singer.
I have studied at Chicago Music Conservatory for Advanced Vocals & Theory with William Rusch, and I studied for 2 years with Elisabeth Sabine, in Los Angeles a sweet english lady, who trained all the 80's hard rock & metal screamers...
I would be happy to try to answer any questions you might have on vocals.
Some of the stuff I don't agree with, that I have seen written in this thread, is that you NEVER sing from your throat...Without diaphramic control & support, you will blow your voice & vocal chords out in a matter of months. No one here has ever discussed Power Falsetto screams, which is a technic Lou Graham from Foreigner used for many years. Power falsetto is the use of your head voice, supported by your diaphram, to create an effect of singing in an amazingly high register. Also, speaking of effects, all of todays screamers, from Maynard, Manson, Mudvayne, ALL use vocal effects in the studio & live, which I will get into later.
Hey most important, keep your voice healthy....
Jay Link

I would like to know how to scream like Vendetta Red. The singer's scream is somewhat high and as for me I have a medium type scream if that makes any sense. I would also like to know some warm up exercises for singing and using your power falsetto. Thanks a lot Jay :)

Hey SchismBassist:
I was listening to some Vendetta Red Tracks....he has a really powerful higher end scream....
His technic is using a short staccatto burst....
In order to acquire that range you have to practice. Remember all these screams are basically done in power falsetto...that is using the head voice with some push...or diaphramic support.
The best way to increase your range in chest and head voices are to do the boring old scales,& the La La stuff C D E F G A B C ...start out softer.. Then try to go up another octave...use a regular speaking voice & then increase the volume a bit...
We also use a technics to feel the pallett (top of mouth) called singing Minnows...
the vocal pattern sung is a standard scale but saying it like" Min oooo (long O)
Min oooo which makes you feel the seperation on the M & then the long O...
Sounds kinda weird, but it works...Another old trick is to tighten a belt around your diaphram area, which is your upper stomach & a little lower than mid chest...use a belt..tight but not too tight..
This will make you accutely aware of your diaphragm moving & not using your throat to sing..
Also, relax your neck & shoulders , keep your jaws loose..and always try to visualize your notes, even when you sing along with another singer for practice. Always warm up this way before gigs or recording.
One last little hint on singing...
Here, I have covered some of the mechanics of singing, but the fact is singing is basically a way of communicating with shouting..but shouting notes on key....
If you remember back to when you were very young, & you wanted to go over to a friends house, & you stood outside & yelled at the top of your lungs HEY JOHNNY YOOO JOHNNY C"MONN OUTSIDE......
well, if you scream that real loud regardless of the key you use. That is the effect you are trying to create. Unihibited vocals. We get so caught up in the thinking process, do I suck? Can I hit that note? Will they like what I'm singing? Why am I doing this etc....
Go back to when you were free & unhindered & just yell & rock out & Have a great time with singing...You will find , that you have a voice inside, that you yourself, might just be holding back by all the head trips we singers create for ourselves...
Now, go on ROCK the house down...

Jay

Awesome. Thanks a lot Jay. *Puts on cd player* See ya!

Hey Jay, could you please tell me how to do a shouting type of "scream"? Like Chris #2 of Anti-flag, more specifically in the songs Right to Choose or You can Kill the Protestor, You Can't Kill the Protest? I know its not really a scream it's more singing but its kinda crackly, you know..? Just please I need some tips, this is the whole reason I joined these forums is because I want to know how to do it, so any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot

Hey Osirisblind:
Chris # 2 has a very powerful tenor voice...he is basically shouting on key in his chest voice...he has a lot of support. On the two tracks I heard he has a bit of microphone distortion going on...he has a naturally gritty quality to his voice.
80's rock singer Bob Seeger had this gravely quality to his voice for years & ended up with many nodes & needed operations to have them removed..
When you try to get this effect vocally, make sure you keep your throat muscles relaxed & try to push from the diaphram...Again, this is a hard style of singing, so keep on practicing.... no more that 1/2 hour a day to build on this kind of vocal style..until you feel comfortable & not hoarse & pain in the throat after a few songs...

Jay

Jaylink: can you tell me how damaging my vocals I am doing are to my voice?

I am doing more so growl/death metal stuff right now, and it doesnt hurt my throat. Its already been explained in here how I did it, and the mp3 is at [url]www.fadedthru.com[/url] if you want to listen to it. I would just like to know how bad that is for you, any idea?

So is the haste the day scream done up with studio effects? Check out 'who we are'. Thanks.

First of all for a younger band faded thru has some pretty good chops....
Vocally, you need to strengthen your regular singing voice, but you are on the right track...
the low end growls are cool, but using just a bit of overdrive or tube distortion would make them sound even better.
As long as your throat is not raw & painful after singing, I would say , you are at least singing with some diaphram support, but remember, you are still putting a lot of stress on your vocal chords...so take care of your voice..& you should be OK....
I just listened to Haste the Day track "Substance", and Yes, they use many effects...distortion, harmonizers, octave dividers, & digital processors ro get that effect...Sounds great, but you will destroy your vocal chords trying to produce that vocal sound with a "Dry" human voice...he must have "layered" over or multi tracked that vocal at least 3-4 times..all studio tricks...then they use a new digital Quantizer effect, which makes all the vocals sound "Huge"...it takes lot's of money ,a great studio & engineer & producer to get those sounds....

Your on the right track....
Keep rockin...
Jay

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jay, you have helped me most. i knew that this whisper falsetto voice and pushing air out was not a scream, an as long as u dont do it for long periods of time and keep throat hydrated, go loud.

Okay, I'm going to really try it now. To start going for something, I figured I'd try a Maynard type scream, which you said could be easily done with the falsetto technique. So a run through of any specifics I should know for this type of scream would be nice.

Hey Itallic Zero...
Just start out slow, & bulid up..
If you push too hard & use too much throat, again, you will put a lot of stress on your vocal chords..
Maynard has a few vocal riffs that start out on a lower register & he builds to that higher scream..
So, I would work along with one of his recording to make sure your phrasing & intonation are right on...

Good Luck...
I am going to start an Online rock vocal clinic next month, that will be super cheap, with one on one instruction, phone calls & some mp's & video's...
I'll keep you guys posted on that....

Jay

Underoath or The Used??
 

Hey Jay...

Maybe you can help me out a little bit... I really want to learn how to scream in the style of "Young and Aspiring" - Underoath or The Used but I don't know where to start or what I should be doing. I have an decent singing voice, however I've never taken lessons. I know that no two screams sound alike, but I'd really like to learn how to scream using their technique... you can listen to "Young and Aspiring" here: [url]http://www.purevolume.com/Underoath/music[/url]

Thanks,

Soundless.Vow

[QUOTE=Soundless.Vow]Hey Jay...

Maybe you can help me out a little bit... I really want to learn how to scream in the style of "Young and Aspiring" - Underoath or The Used but I don't know where to start or what I should be doing. I have an decent singing voice, however I've never taken lessons. I know that no two screams sound alike, but I'd really like to learn how to scream using their technique... you can listen to "Young and Aspiring" here: [url]http://www.purevolume.com/Underoath/music[/url]

Thanks,

Soundless.Vow[/QUOTE]

Hey Soundless.Vow...
The singer of Underoath has a great voice. His normal voice is clear & strong, so I am thinking , he has some sort of harmonic distortion on his voice when he screams.... If NOT, man, I think he is in danger of damaging his voice early on. if he is doing that scream with his voice unnafected, and it is hard to tell by the recording..it sounds like he is putting out a lot more air & less voice.
On my second listen... I still hear some processing on his voice. I would love to hear these guys sing this song live... I will watch for more tracks from them..they are a great band BTW....
As far as this type of scream, I would approach it with your own style at first..
I can do this scream, but it IS hard & Take a lot of volume & pushing....
So, I would suggest if you are already singing, try to work with the tone...This scream is more a scream of angst & terror, more that it is a note...SO, the pitch is not as important as the effect....
Also, when you have a PA & mic available, to running a distortion effect thru the Mic & see if you can achieve this with out running your vocal chords thru a cheese grater.
Sorry, I wasn't much help on this one....
I will check out more of their material & will get back to you on this type of scream.

Jay

My singing voice is weird, I got 2. One sounds good but it's quiet...the other is the voice is use when im talking it sounds crappy complete with puberty squeaks lol. Can anyone explain this?

Is the first one higher? Falsetto is the only thing I could think of, but most guys don't think it sounds "good."

[QUOTE=JayLink]Hey Soundless.Vow...
The singer of Underoath has a great voice. His normal voice is clear & strong, so I am thinking , he has some sort of harmonic distortion on his voice when he screams.... If NOT, man, I think he is in danger of damaging his voice early on. if he is doing that scream with his voice unnafected, and it is hard to tell by the recording..it sounds like he is putting out a lot more air & less voice.
On my second listen... I still hear some processing on his voice. I would love to hear these guys sing this song live... I will watch for more tracks from them..they are a great band BTW....
As far as this type of scream, I would approach it with your own style at first..
I can do this scream, but it IS hard & Take a lot of volume & pushing....
So, I would suggest if you are already singing, try to work with the tone...This scream is more a scream of angst & terror, more that it is a note...SO, the pitch is not as important as the effect....
Also, when you have a PA & mic available, to running a distortion effect thru the Mic & see if you can achieve this with out running your vocal chords thru a cheese grater.
Sorry, I wasn't much help on this one....
I will check out more of their material & will get back to you on this type of scream.

Jay[/QUOTE] The "clear" singing is the drummer :) *wow, just listened to that song, he scream is SO much different then "When the sun sleeps" he sounds a lot like Bert in Y&A* All the screams come from...well the lead screamer ^^. Anywho, Jay I would like to you listen to 36 Crazyfists. Their singer has such an unique voice and scream. I want to know what to do to be able to sing/scream like him. Songs to check out our Slit Wrist Theory and Skin and Atmosphere. Thanks a lot!

[QUOTE=Soundless.Vow]Hey Jay...

Maybe you can help me out a little bit... I really want to learn how to scream in the style of "Young and Aspiring" - Underoath or The Used but I don't know where to start or what I should be doing. I have an decent singing voice, however I've never taken lessons. I know that no two screams sound alike, but I'd really like to learn how to scream using their technique... you can listen to "Young and Aspiring" here: [url]http://www.purevolume.com/Underoath/music[/url]

Thanks,

Soundless.Vow[/QUOTE]

if you read the thread the technique describe is exactly how these singers scream, it is the same scream i do in my band. the end.

Hey SchismBassist:
I will definitely check out 36 Crazyfists & get back to you shortly....
Take Care

Jay

Thanks man ^_^

[QUOTE=SchismBassist]The "clear" singing is the drummer :) *wow, just listened to that song, he scream is SO much different then "When the sun sleeps" he sounds a lot like Bert in Y&A*...[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I knew about the "clear" singing drummer, however, they recently got a new screamer due to some problem with Dallas, so that is why both screams sound completely different. If you listen closely, there are two different singing parts in "Young and Aspiring" which makes me think that the lead "screamer" can sing as well. So disregard all previous Underoath songs for this example.

Oh and thanks for the tip Silver, I just wanted to get Jay's opinion on this one.

Thanks once again everyone,

Soundless.Vow

Is the singer from Dead Poetics voice really like that? because it sounds like it has been processed or something, the scream just sounds so perfect

[QUOTE=Soundless.Vow]Yeah, I knew about the "clear" singing drummer, however, they recently got a new screamer due to some problem with Dallas, so that is why both screams sound completely different. If you listen closely, there are two different singing parts in "Young and Aspiring" which makes me think that the lead "screamer" can sing as well. So disregard all previous Underoath songs for this example.

Oh and thanks for the tip Silver, I just wanted to get Jay's opinion on this one.

Thanks once again everyone,

Soundless.Vow[/QUOTE] Really? I did not know that. What exactly happened to Dallas?

[QUOTE=SchismBassist]Really? I did not know that. What exactly happened to Dallas?[/QUOTE]

Yeah... they didn't give much detail into the situation, and there has been much speculation, but I guess that it's better to leave well enough alone. I really like their new style, a lot of people have told me it's too much like "The Used" but to me it has its own style... somehow, but this isn't one of those "like it or leave it" threads so I'll shut up now.

So ive been screaming for a little while now, i looked over the tips and it seemed to follow what ive been trying on my own. The only thing is, when i actually scream it sounds off. It sounds perfect when i do it using my wispering voice (maybe just because i can practice that any time without others hearing)... So for me its all an issue of getting that wispering voice, well, loud and proper. I sort of keep my throat narrow when i scream wispering, but when i scream loud, i cant do this it doesnt sound the same, my voice just goes all wonky. Its all about using that roof of your mouth like was discussed, but when done loudly, theres more pressure on the roof of my mouth and so i get an annoying squeak basically like im screaming and singing high falsetto overtop.

What am i doing wrong while making my scream louder? any pointers? Basically the way i get it to sound best right now is to push all the air as hard as i can from my stomach and just belt it, using a bit of the upper part of my mouth. Its a good scream but it lacks that desired high toned kick to it that finch, the used and other have in their screams.

Soundless, can you scream like this guy? I love this scream. My orginal scream was exactly like Dallas but now I wanna learn how to scream like their new screamer/singer. Also, do you have AIM?

hey guys, i just wanted to say this thread has helped me se much in my screaming, i have managed to perfect the exact scream i want...i'm really happy with it.

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So will someone please respond to this question so i know which direction to go. I want to scream like christian from blindside or kinda shout/scream like dustin from thrice. Which do i do, the whisper one but push ALOT of air out (which sounds really corky and strange) and i just need practice with it, or do the one where i keep my throat hydrated and just so pretty loud but not for long periods. Which method is the right one?

JAY! Where are you!?!

I've been reading all these pages and got a feel pointers to help my scream. I have a quick song I recorded with me screaming in it that I would like you guys to hear. But soundclick is not allowing me to upload....

[QUOTE=SchismBassist]JAY! Where are you!?![/QUOTE]

Hey SchismBassist...
I am here, but I am in the studio recording the last 7 tracks for our debut CD, so I haven't been able to get in here as much as I have wanted.....

Here is a post from another thread of mine....

90% of all screamers use at least distortion on their screams in the studio & live.
Other effect used are harmonizers, octave dividers, digital delay effects.
they also use tube overdrive distortion to make up that low end growl type scream.

That is why I keep on trying to tell all the younger screamers & singers, this is not done with just the natural voice.
If you try to duplicate all the screams with your natural voice, you will destroy your vocals chords over time.

With this in Mind...I think all younger vocalist should try to build up their singing voice first..with breathing & support exercises, before attempting to scream....& when you do scream , make sure you are warmed up & then don't over do it...if your whole song involves 3 minutes of low end growling or screams, I suggest you use some sort of effects to achieve these type of screams..it will also save your voice....
I will be going back to my LA vocal coach in a few weeks for some refresher courses before my band goes on tour..I will pick her brain for some screaming tips... and SchismBassist, I will check on your stuuf tonight & give you some info on the type of scream you are trying to achieve...
Take Care

Jay

Ok, I finally got it. Here is me screaming. I know it's not good quality and I improvised EVERY part of it. Anywho, here it is, click on @_@ [url]http://www.soundclick.com/bands/7/wonderbread.htm[/url]

Edit: Wait till 1:34 before you start to hear sound. Something happened while I recorded it and it doesnt start till then @_@.