dont take everything i say seriously i ramble a lot

I read that Trent , while he was working on TDS, suffered extremly from depressions! and for me, the songs express the whole feeling! the screaming in the background, is like somebody is crying out his soul out, is crying for help but is crying of pain too, at once.
and for me, there are a lot of songs on TDS where Trent is expressing depression in his songs soo direct!!!
i know, a lot of songs of trent a depressing/melancholic, but not in PHM, TF or B there is such a deep feeling of it..... once you had a depression in a lifetime (like me) you know how it is....

[QUOTE=repcak]No, that's Wrong.
i read the biography about Trent and Trent said:
? I had the song ?Piggy? written long before it was ever known that I would be in that house (Le'Pig house -> the house where Manson killed Sharon Tate).?March of the Pigs? has nothing to do with the Tate murders or anything like that. I?m not going to say what it is about, but it?s not about that.?[/QUOTE]
Heh, sorry. I actually debated posting that because I had heard it but I wasn't 100% sure that it was true. Oh well though.
[quote=kage]Kaden: Have you seen the studio performance of The Becoming at nin.com? That's such an awesome performance of it, IMO. It's a really stripped down version of the song, which made me appreciate the real thing even more.[/quote]
I haven't, but thanks for telling me; I'll check it out :thumb:

[QUOTE=MxShredder]I think the shared motif is to show the degradation of the character. At the end of Closer the melody still sounds alittle lively, though gloomy. In TDS though, it sounds completely wretched. He's just sitting there (possibly in his lier's chair ;)) reflecting over everything (the melody could be to show reflection, looking back on the story). Then the new riff comes in, it sounds pretty pondering and forward moving, like the character is thinking about what to do. Then the idea comes (the part where people start screaming and there's singing). He knows what he's going to do and he's psyching himself up to do it. Then he starts writing a suicide note, or thinking or whatever, and those thoughts are Hurt. Then it's all over and he says "if I could start again, I would find away" then he pulls the trigger (the big bang chords).

There's not really any moment in TDS where there's a transition from alive to dead. The only one that could really be interpreted like that is when the screaming starts, but it's so hazy it's sounds like it's meant to be a dream or a thought.[/QUOTE]

That's actually a really good idea. It's true, the riff is more lively in Closer, but in TDS it becomes very downtroden, etc. And yes, TDS sounds very much like a dream or some kind of nightmare phase, so perhaps it's him sitting in thought, and then he begins to write the letter (in Hurt).

Not bad :thumb: At one point I'd like to talk about Reptile, as I think that is one of the coolest songs on there considering the imagery, symbolism and lyrical motifs.

Has anybody heard already some of the new songs? do you know where the first single will be released? etc.? would be interesting.

ps.: thanks kage for the tips with the becoming video from nin.com.
Something i can never have vid is really nice too, and take a look at the 2 live vids, where trent is playing together with manson -> star****ers, and beautiful people :)

[QUOTE=Kage]That's actually a really good idea. It's true, the riff is more lively in Closer, but in TDS it becomes very downtroden, etc. And yes, TDS sounds very much like a dream or some kind of nightmare phase, so perhaps it's him sitting in thought, and then he begins to write the letter (in Hurt).

Not bad :thumb: At one point I'd like to talk about Reptile, as I think that is one of the coolest songs on there considering the imagery, symbolism and lyrical motifs.[/QUOTE]

hm... WOW... i am speechless - nice point

[QUOTE=repcak]Has anybody heard already some of the new songs? do you know where the first single will be released? etc.? would be interesting.

ps.: thanks kage for the tips with the becoming video from nin.com.
Something i can never have vid is really nice too, and take a look at the 2 live vids, where trent is playing together with manson -> star****ers, and beautiful people :)[/QUOTE]


Yeah, the Something I Can Never Have was really good as well. I like those stripped-down performances. And you can see as Trent slips into the song more and starts feeling it, you really feel the emotion coming from him--it's a good feeling.

I haven't heard the new songs, simply because I insist on hearing the album in full the way it's meant to be heard. On March 30th, they're having a release party here so I'll be able to hear it a little early anyway. I believe the first single, The Hand That Feeds, will be released April 11th.

i see, you're a really huge NIN fan and knows a lot of thinks... some points, interpretation you made, were new to me. thanks for inspiring to look closer to songs than before (although i made a special topic about Trent in english, when i was graduading from school)

ps.: i listen to your own band sayd on garageband.com.... really nice!!

alright, my interpretation of Reptile is that it's a step onward from Closer. Instead of finiding a loved one to have sexual healing with, the character is choosing prostitution. This of course is further down the downward spiral of depression. This one also makes me wonder whether the main character is a woman "she spreads herself open to let the insects in" or something to that effect, I'll check the real lyrics sometime.

EDIT: Also, Big Man with a Gun would be another attempt at sexual healing, but still with the character being in charge. I think it's about rape, not as bad (to the character) as prostitution, which is later in the spiral. BMWAT kind of gets rid of the woman theory though cause of its lyrics.

[QUOTE=repcak]i see, you're a really huge NIN fan and knows a lot of thinks... some points, interpretation you made, were new to me. thanks for inspiring to look closer to songs than before (although i made a special topic about Trent in english, when i was graduading from school)

ps.: i listen to your own band sayd on garageband.com.... really nice!![/QUOTE]

yeah, it's really cool when you look closer into the songs. I'm glad I inspired someone :thumb:. I've been a fan for a long time, and I still haven't consumed everything NIN has to offer.

That's cool that you listened to my garageband stuff. We're going to have a lot more stuff coming, so keep watching it ;)

[QUOTE=Kage]No, it's cool. That's what's great about it, everyone can have his own interpretation. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, if everyone was a dick in here then almost everyone would of flamed me for my interpretation of becoming. Because i havent heard anyone agree with it so far. And that was what i thought of the song when i pretty much first heard it, ive just now recently been getting into interpreting (sp?) TDS so I'm still thinking about it. But that still stands as my idea for TB as a single song

And i agree on TDS being the actual act of suicide because it is before Hurt. I know thats not THAT much of a reason, but yeah. Also, i just now read the lyrics to TDS (i know, shame on me for not reading them earlier), and i think the lyrics are awesome. And another reason i think that TDS is the act of suicide is the lyrics are narrating as Kage said, the act. But the dream idea makes alot of sense too :thumb:

[QUOTE=MxShredder]
EDIT: Also, Big Man with a Gun would be another attempt at sexual healing, but still with the character being in charge. I think it's about rape, not as bad (to the character) as prostitution, which is later in the spiral. BMWAT kind of gets rid of the woman theory though cause of its lyrics.[/QUOTE]

- I've actually heard it's a Shot at Tori Amos' song: Me and a Gun

...just something I heard though

[url]http://www.hereinmyhead.com/musicians/reznor.html[/url]

Interesting stuffs between Tori and Trent.

[QUOTE=magicaltroll834]Yeah, if everyone was a dick in here then almost everyone would of flamed me for my interpretation of becoming. Because i havent heard anyone agree with it so far. And that was what i thought of the song when i pretty much first heard it, ive just now recently been getting into interpreting (sp?) TDS so I'm still thinking about it. But that still stands as my idea for TB as a single song

And i agree on TDS being the actual act of suicide because it is before Hurt. I know thats not THAT much of a reason, but yeah. Also, i just now read the lyrics to TDS (i know, shame on me for not reading them earlier), and i think the lyrics are awesome. And another reason i think that TDS is the act of suicide is the lyrics are narrating as Kage said, the act. But the dream idea makes alot of sense too :thumb:[/QUOTE]

I think there's really no one right answer on that. It's a debatable issue, but in the end everyone should find his own meaning in it and come away from the experience with a new message or perspective. That's what Trent would have wanted. ;)

Hate to bump an old thread, but just letting everyone know, for those of you who hadn't heard the leaked tracks, the official With Teeth preview is up at nin.com ([url]http://www.bandbuilder.com/nin/[/url]). It includes the original teaser trailer as well as clips from The Hand That Feeds and The Line Begins To Blur. It's a really cool-looking e-card, so check it out.

I haven't listened to them yet, because I'm at the library with these sh[COLOR=White]i[/COLOR]tty headphones and only one ear is working, so I'm waiting to listen to it.

5/3 is too far away, god**** it! I'm definitely buying this.

they sound pretty good, but i bet the ones on the cd will hopefully be better because this is really crap quality

So... anyone get lucky enough to get some tickets to NIN?
I sure didnt... :upset:
And its ok to bump this thread :thumb:
I think theres alot of stuff that people should see in here.

Yeah, I actually was able to get a pair of tickets for their May 25th show in Austin, Texas. ...I had such a difficult time though because the darn servers were extremely slow...Alot of people were trying to get their hands on some tickets...the show sold out within minutes...just like the darn pre-sales which sold out in 3mins! Now they're on sale on ebay some for a little over $300..

Lucky bastard... :p
man, tell us how it was! or I'll hurt you... haha. Hope you have a great time though.

They're coming to the Hammerstein Ballroom in NYC in on May Fifteenth. I am really, really determined to see that show, even if the tickets are forty-five bucks.

I didn't get tickets but I'll be at the show, that I guaruntee. I'm not missing out on a small-venue NIN tour this time!

Well, when yuo guys go, be sure to come here and tell us how it was :thumb:

In 40 minutes i will be able to buy NIN-Tickets.... hope i will get some....

[QUOTE=misunderstood]Yeah, I actually was able to get a pair of tickets for their May 25th show in Austin, Texas. ...I had such a difficult time though because the darn servers were extremely slow...Alot of people were trying to get their hands on some tickets...the show sold out within minutes...just like the darn pre-sales which sold out in 3mins! Now they're on sale on ebay some for a little over $300..[/QUOTE]

OMG
let's see if i will be able to access the servers with a cable connection... i hope :D
30 minutes left :thumb:

I wish I had NIN tickets, they sold out in roughly 8min ( two Toronto dates). Sadly scalpers have ruined this show for a quite a few people just so they can make a buck off of them, talked to one scalper and he claimed he had about 40 tickets and was selling each one for $250. Sadly I think I'm going to give in, NIN at a club > new bass gear

i've bought 3 tickets for vienna... on the homepage i couldn't order -> (server were down), so i called the ticket-service and i got them :D ... the other 2 tickets i will sell on ebay :D

[QUOTE=Stoic]I wish I had NIN tickets, they sold out in roughly 8min ( two Toronto dates). Sadly scalpers have ruined this show for a quite a few people just so they can make a buck off of them, talked to one scalper and he claimed he had about 40 tickets and was selling each one for $250. Sadly I think I'm going to give in, NIN at a club > new bass gear[/QUOTE]

Yeah, really. It's a twisted world we live in where scalpers looking for a quick buck get tickets over people who passionately want to see the show (..me).

Oh well, I'll probably be able to end up seeing the show one way or another. I'm hoping to get it down to about $50 tickets at the show.

Either way, NIN is possibly the greatest artist ever. I listened to TDS on full blast today...it's quite an experience in itself. I love every second of that album, it's a masterpiece. It sort of puts you in a different mindset from normal, makes you think about things differently.

NIN - Tickets (Vienna) are sold out .... after 4hours.... i thought they will be sold out in not more than 20 minutes... ok, it is monday, a lot of people are working, are in school, etc...

d@mn, some of those tickets are being sold on ebay for $799...no one's bidding on those yet but i'm sure they'll be one desperate person to do so later on and that just sucks..i payed only $36 and someone else is paying $800!

Yep, there's Ebay scalpers for you. Which show did you get tickets for?