What don't you like about it?

The only cd i was disapointed in was the bonus "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence", it's just too hard to listen to, the lyrics are terrible and it's probably Jame's worst singing, the music wasn't even all that good. The acual cd with "The Glass Prison an The Great Debate" is absolutly brilliant though!
Train of Thought is a great album in my opinion, it's their heaviest album they have, the only thing rather disapointing was the keyboard/bass work, you can't heard Jordan that much other than in Endless Sacrifice and Stream of Consciousness, Myung and Patricu mostly do the same thing most the time, i much like the music in Metrolpolis Pt2, EVERY instrument is BREATH TAKING! Espicially "The Dance of Eternaty!"
Amazing band, worst albums = Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence "Disc 2" and Images and Words.

[QUOTE=Ripper22]I can definitely see that. If anybody has any rapport, though, it's Petrucci and Rudess, who smile at the other's solos. But the rest of the band is totally dead. And Portnoy is very egotistical and not that good at all, in terms of interesting beats. Technically he's very capable, but Tool pwns DT any day of the week for organic songs.[/QUOTE]

Agreed. Rudess and Petrucci have always been the ones that impressed me the most.

I have all their albums exepct Awake and SDoIT.
I am a big fan of their music, and have to say that Scenes from a memory is my favorite album. I can listen to it endless times and it doesnt get boring. The Band portraits their technical skill but also their creativity in that CD just too well. I enjoy listening to every single Bandmember, i appreciate each one of them, although I find myself listening to Rudess´s insane skills quite often :D

Great band

[QUOTE=rock not roll]Is A Change Of Seasons good? I'm thinking of getting it next.[/QUOTE]
its a good song and a bunch of ****ty covers

[QUOTE=Scythe404]Well you'll have bad luck finding it at an HMV or some other crappy store, but go to a dedicated, smaller record store and you can find anything.[/QUOTE]
The problem is the only record stores near me are ****y stores like HMV and CD plus.

[QUOTE=black_sabbath634]its a good song and a bunch of ****ty covers[/QUOTE]

Well, the covers are not ****ty. They're not as good as a legendary original like ACoS, i'll give you that, however they simply apply more to a classic rock camp. A couple of the covers like "Perfect Strangers" are actually quite good.

[QUOTE=Brogan]The only cd i was disapointed in was the bonus "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence", it's just too hard to listen to, the lyrics are terrible and it's probably Jame's worst singing, the music wasn't even all that good. The acual cd with "The Glass Prison an The Great Debate" is absolutly brilliant though!
Train of Thought is a great album in my opinion, it's their heaviest album they have, the only thing rather disapointing was the keyboard/bass work, you can't heard Jordan that much other than in Endless Sacrifice and Stream of Consciousness, Myung and Patricu mostly do the same thing most the time, i much like the music in Metrolpolis Pt2, EVERY instrument is BREATH TAKING! Espicially "The Dance of Eternaty!"
Amazing band, worst albums = Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence "Disc 2" and Images and Words.[/QUOTE]

See my post about Myung a page or two back and his tapping spree on This Dying Soul. Myung may still mirror him a fair deal, but because of the heavy quality of the record he comes through the mix a lot more. You have to give it that. And though Rudess isn't quite as active as he is in 6DoIT, he plays an excellent role in the band in ToT.

PS: Images and Words is the only album of theirs not quite as good as SFAM. Some people who dislike more Classical sounding stuff dislike it i find. If you want their absolute worst go with Falling into Infinity. Every other record of theirs is good to Absolutely great.

[QUOTE=Brogan]
Train of Thought is a great album in my opinion, it's their heaviest album they have, the only thing rather disapointing was the keyboard/bass work, you can't heard Jordan that much other than in Endless Sacrifice and Stream of Consciousness, [/QUOTE]


I would argue that Rudess saves that album; without him it would be pure crap. I must congradulate Myung tho, awesome.

I was thinking of buying one of the DVDs but I can't decide which one which one would you guys consider the best?

[QUOTE=chorbalan]I was thinking of buying one of the DVDs but I can't decide which one which one would you guys consider the best?[/QUOTE]
If you like older DT (awake, Images and words....) Get "once in a LIVEtime". If you like later DT (SFAM, Falling into infinity) but you don't like 6DOIT or train of thought, get "live metropolis". If you like everything they do and you have enjoyed Train of thought, get "live at budokan". In my opinion, "live at budokan" is the best choice, but it's up to you.

OK thanks bro :)

[QUOTE=Quebec]If you like older DT (awake, Images and words....) Get "once in a LIVEtime". If you like later DT (SFAM, Falling into infinity) but you don't like 6DOIT or train of thought, get "live metropolis". If you like everything they do and you have enjoyed Train of thought, get "live at budokan". In my opinion, "live at budokan" is the best choice, but it's up to you.[/QUOTE]

Definitely. Budokan is their best done DVD to date. If they could've mixed it in with some older material it would be the ultimate concert.

I saw One In a Live Time at my freinds house and it was amazing.

how is falling into infinity?

Its funny whenever someone says Portnoy is a great drummer, some tool fanboy will say "Carey's Better!" I just find it interesting the amount of people who have to pipe up and wave danny carey flags every time MP is mentioned.

In defense of Portnoy, I think he's a fantasic drummer, equal, if not better than Carey at some things, (and worse too), but certainly not *owned* as some people say. I mean if you are going to pick a drummer to own Portnoy, pick someone who REALLY owns him - Gadd, Weckl or Donati for instance. Carey is debateble.

Anyway, I didn't want to make this a Carey vs Portnoy thread, just wanted my humble 2c ;)

As for DT - Awesome band - my fav songs:

Overture 1928
Finally Free
Learning to Live
New Millenium
Blind Faith
Lines in the Sand
Metropolis Pt 1
The Great Debate
Stream of Consiousness

Take it easy!

Mag

[QUOTE=Magnum1978]Its funny whenever someone says Portnoy is a great drummer, some tool fanboy will say "Carey's Better!" I just find it interesting the amount of people who have to pipe up and wave danny carey flags every time MP is mentioned.

In defense of Portnoy, I think he's a fantasic drummer, equal, if not better than Carey at some things, (and worse too), but certainly not *owned* as some people say. I mean if you are going to pick a drummer to own Portnoy, pick someone who REALLY owns him - Gadd, Weckl or Donati for instance. Carey is debateble.
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Hmm, Donati doesn't really own Portnoy. I saw him on the Steve Vai tour and his drum solo was nothing too special. And I'm not neccesarily a Tool fanboy, it's just that Carey uses occultist geometric equations to make his drumbeats, and ends up with these unbelievably complex, mystifying webs of percussive brilliance. Portnoy is just like Niel Peart, except more boringly precise and without the sense of humor or the tact to pull back on the beat. Besides, his bass drums sound like pillows being squashed.

Also, to your point, Portnoy is a Tool fanboy himself and particularly on 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence ripped off Carey's drumming style in a lot of places, most notably on "The Great Debate." The only difference was that Portnoy was not as good as Carey. Just some food for thought. I like DT more, but Tool is just so organic and I prefer them sometimes, is all. Especially with regard to drumming.

Ok, so new discussion, actually. I like this whole Tool/DT comparison thing. The use of time signature changes is constant in both bands' music, and I'd like to ask: which band does it more smoothly and subtly? My vote would probably go to Tool, but let's hear your opinions. And please, for the love of God, take Magnum's advice on this one and do NOT turn this into Carey/Portnoy shipperland, ok? I'd like to see some backup to your opinions on this.

Well back when I used to listen to Tool I never even noticed the strange time signatures, but then I wasn't a musician back then. But I love how with Dream Theater riffs just suddenly stop and go onto another or repeat.
So in summary, at changing time signatures, I would say Tool is smoother, but Dream Theater is more fun and keeps you on your toes.

[QUOTE=Ripper22]And I'm not neccesarily a Tool fanboy, it's just that Carey uses occultist geometric equations to make his drumbeats, and ends up with these unbelievably complex, mystifying webs of percussive brilliance.

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Hah yeah Occultist drum beats. :rolleyes:


Total fanboy thing to say.

[QUOTE=RideTheSpiral]Hah yeah Occultist drum beats. :rolleyes:


Total fanboy thing to say.[/QUOTE]

Hmm, oh well. Obviously the fact that he DOES do that means nothing to you. I guess I AM a Tool fanboy! I only own two of their albums! I nothing about what those equations actually are, simply that he uses them! I know that...gasp...he studies tablas also! What a little-known piece of Tool trivia.
:rolleyes:

I'm simply explaining why I consider Carey to be a better drummer: because he uses these unusual techniques to form his drumming patterns, he ends up sounding very enigmatic and awesome, whereas Portnoy, while obviously very technically capable, is very very boringly precise and similar. Each drumbeat may technically be different, but they still are the same TYPE of drumbeat. Maybe my words sounded like I was a Tool fanboy, but really, I hardly ever listen to them compared to Dream Theater.

[QUOTE=Facsimile]Well back when I used to listen to Tool I never even noticed the strange time signatures, but then I wasn't a musician back then. But I love how with Dream Theater riffs just suddenly stop and go onto another or repeat.
So in summary, at changing time signatures, I would say Tool is smoother, but Dream Theater is more fun and keeps you on your toes.[/QUOTE]

Very true. That's my opinion as well.

[QUOTE=Facsimile]Well back when I used to listen to Tool I never even noticed the strange time signatures, but then I wasn't a musician back then. But I love how with Dream Theater riffs just suddenly stop and go onto another or repeat.
So in summary, at changing time signatures, I would say Tool is smoother, but Dream Theater is more fun and keeps you on your toes.[/QUOTE]
Exactly what i thought!

I thought that Train Of Thought was rather boring. They should stick to softer stuff. Like on Awake. The kind of odd prog rocky type stuff.

[QUOTE=Ripper22]Nice quote, SFK. hahahaha thanks!

Anyway, let's get this ball rolling. My first DT album was 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence, and I was awestruck by the utter superiority of the songwriting and technical abilities of the band. I'm a bit curious, though, because 6 Degrees remains my favorite album despite owning nearly every album they've got(except for...what was it...Dreams and...something.... ;) ). But most people on mx seem to dislike it quite a bit. Why so? Feel free to include your own personal favorite, with reasons.

(I don't know...is this how the official threads start? Oh well)[/QUOTE]

you´ll se, most dt fans like dt from the "before 6doit age" ....
you may realize that 6DOIT is very different from the previous albums, so its pretty reasonable to dislike dissapear if you´re more into overture 1928

am i explaining myself?

[QUOTE=Ripper22]Hmm, Donati doesn't really own Portnoy. I saw him on the Steve Vai tour and his drum solo was nothing too special. And I'm not neccesarily a Tool fanboy, it's just that Carey uses occultist geometric equations to make his drumbeats, and ends up with these unbelievably complex, mystifying webs of percussive brilliance. Portnoy is just like Niel Peart, except more boringly precise and without the sense of humor or the tact to pull back on the beat. Besides, his bass drums sound like pillows being squashed.
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Its all good, everyone's entitled to their opinions - mine are just different :D... And I consider Donati in probably the top 5 drummers in the world at the moment. The guy's a total freak.

[QUOTE=Ripper22]
Also, to your point, Portnoy is a Tool fanboy himself and particularly on 6 Degrees of Inner Turbulence ripped off Carey's drumming style in a lot of places, most notably on "The Great Debate." The only difference was that Portnoy was not as good as Carey. Just some food for thought. I like DT more, but Tool is just so organic and I prefer them sometimes, is all. Especially with regard to drumming.[/QUOTE]

Each to their own. I thought the drumming in 'the great debate' was as good as anything on Laterlus or Aniema - but again its just opinion. And I dont want to make this into another 'Great Debate' so I'll leave it at that!

Oh yeah and I'm a 'Pre 6DOIT' DT fan :D

Take it easy!

Mag

I think there are 3 different type of DT fans:
1) Fans who only likes the DT from before 6doit
2) Fans who got in the band with 6doit and ToT
3) Fans who loves everything DT did

[QUOTE=Quebec]I think there are 3 different type of DT fans:
1) Fans who only likes the DT from before 6doit
2) Fans who got in the band with 6doit and ToT
3) Fans who loves everything DT did[/QUOTE]

*is #3*

I pretty much love everything DT, and Petrucci's solos on ToT are technically amazing.

[QUOTE=Scythe404]Well, the covers are not ****ty. They're not as good as a legendary original like ACoS, i'll give you that, however they simply apply more to a classic rock camp. A couple of the covers like "Perfect Strangers" are actually quite good.



See my post about Myung a page or two back and his tapping spree on This Dying Soul. Myung may still mirror him a fair deal, but because of the heavy quality of the record he comes through the mix a lot more. You have to give it that. And though Rudess isn't quite as active as he is in 6DoIT, he plays an excellent role in the band in ToT.

PS: Images and Words is the only album of theirs not quite as good as SFAM. Some people who dislike more Classical sounding stuff dislike it i find. If you want their absolute worst go with Falling into Infinity. Every other record of theirs is good to Absolutely great.[/QUOTE]
Rudess is pretty active on SDOIT , listen to overture and up, the guy is a madman.

[QUOTE=Quebec]I think there are 3 different type of DT fans:
1) Fans who only likes the DT from before 6doit
2) Fans who got in the band with 6doit and ToT
3) Fans who loves everything DT did
4.)Fans who love everything DT did except for ToT(really just one, named Ripper22, the jackass)[/QUOTE]

Fixed. :)

[QUOTE=Ripper22]Fixed. :)[/QUOTE]

Hehe, *agrees*