[QUOTE=Iai]I found out later the Satanist thing above is wrong, but they're fans of Aleister Crowley, so the theory stands. And I think the release date is wrong.[/QUOTE]

Thats because Crowley knew alot about magic. Which is intentionally affecting your envrionment via some undetected,unsensed, or invisible(aka magical) way. Crowley just had, shall we say, questionable reasons for some of his intentions.

Woah, I go away for a week, and this thread becomes official and has continued intelligent conversation on it! Wow, i must congratulate ToolOwnsYou (were u the guy who originally put up a poll for an official thread?). Im glad its continuing, I still have some views to put up for a few of those lesser heard Tool songs. Keep it up people.

(was it Stagefrightken who official-ed it in the end?)

im not into tool that much. but i do like the song sober, and from the tool videos ive seen they strike as pretty weird but, i still think manyard is a good songwriter..... and one more thing i heard maynard is a necropheliac is that true???

I dont know as much about maynard as others, but I would always doubt anything that is said about him, like it has been constantly mentioned, the band love to give out false information often for their own amusement. And the videos seem weird, but they do carry a lot of meanings for those who wish to look into them further.

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]I dont know as much about maynard as others, but I would always doubt anything that is said about him, like it has been constantly mentioned, the band love to give out false information often for their own amusement. And the videos seem weird, but they do carry a lot of meanings for those who wish to look into them further.[/QUOTE]
i can see how the the videos have meaning(weird none the less)

whats so good about Tool..ive only heard a few songs..didnt rly hear anything amazing..can someone tell me some good songs to download and ill take my words back

[QUOTE=-Listy-]whats so good about Tool..ive only heard a few songs..didnt rly hear anything amazing..can someone tell me some good songs to download and ill take my words back[/QUOTE]
schism is good and so is sober

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Woah, I go away for a week, and this thread becomes official and has continued intelligent conversation on it! Wow, i must congratulate ToolOwnsYou (were u the guy who originally put up a poll for an official thread?). Im glad its continuing, I still have some views to put up for a few of those lesser heard Tool songs. Keep it up people.

(was it Stagefrightken who official-ed it in the end?)[/QUOTE]

hhaha.. see what all you can miss in such a small amount of time. Yup! thats me the guy who originally put up a poll for an official thread. As you all can see imma HUGE tool fan, but lets not get into that.Tool's message must be spread! and thanks to SFK, and everyone that has posted, we now have an "OFFICIAL" Im working on some new views myself, I just been super busy..

Lets try to keep this alive, I/We have put alot of work into it (the thread), lets not let it all go to waste. Keep rockin! :thumb:

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[QUOTE=-Listy-]whats so good about Tool..ive only heard a few songs..didnt rly hear anything amazing..can someone tell me some good songs to download and ill take my words back[/QUOTE]

Welp, its all in the eye of the beholder, what is "amazing" in your eyes? Do you like fast tunes, slow tunes? Hard, Soft? What few tracks have you heard?
You got to have alittle more info, if you want it narrowed down to "amazing" (for you taste)

Some General GOOD songs are:

Lateralus
The Patient
The Grudge
AEnima
Opiate
Part of Me
46 & 2
Eulogy
H.
Stinkfist
Swamp Song
Sober
Prison Sex
Hush

thats just a few, that was their more popular, most heard of songs. So many more that are great.. as I said.. it all depends on you. TOOL isnt for everyone. The Love, Hate factor.....


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thanks ill check them out then

Have any of you heard Staind's Sober cover...? They practically ruined an amazing song. If any of you have ..tell me about it.

[QUOTE=vixfinger11metallica20]Have any of you heard Staind's Sober cover...? They practically ruined an amazing song. If any of you have ..tell me about it.[/QUOTE]
no i didnt even know they covered it where can i hear it

I have the video of the live performance, you can find it on some file sharing programs. It wasnt too bad, although Aarons (that right?) voice, good as it is, could never do it justice. I also heard P.O.D did a cover of prison sex, any clue about that?

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]I have the video of the live performance, you can find it on some file sharing programs. It wasnt too bad, although Aarons (that right?) voice, good as it is, could never do it justice. I also heard P.O.D did a cover of prison sex, any clue about that?[/QUOTE]
lol p.o.d. coverd prison sex and when i though they were christian

[QUOTE=guitrguy]lol p.o.d. coverd prison sex and when i though they were christian[/QUOTE]

What's wrong with that?

[QUOTE=petrucci_wannabee]What's wrong with that?[/QUOTE]
i just find it funny

Im still intrigued how they approached it, was it a straight cover, or did it have the POD twist to it? :upset:
All I know is it was recorded live and with their old guitarist

O.K Im going to jump in the deep end for one of these song meanings, its not very in depth and quite obvious but Im going to put it in anyway.....This is for the swamp song....

[B]My warning meant nothing.
You're dancing in quicksand.
Why don't you watch where you're wandering?
Why don't you watch where you're stumbling?
You're wading knee deep and going in.
And you may never come back again. [/B]

I think this is about getting taken advantage of (again) but specifically by crime/drugs. I think this verse is taking the educational side of things what we are taught about crime in schools.

[B]This bog is thick and easy to get lost in
when you're a stupid,dumb ***, beligerant ****er.

I hope it sucks you down.[/B]

This is our second phase of "good advice" drummed into us from child hood. This is the advice we recieve from our peers,parents and people who have "been there", the people who take a more negative and harsh aproach at stopping you from turning to crime.

The song goes on to repeat this a few times to signify it being drummed into us from childhood, everywhere we turn people are telling ua what to think and that is just the role of a dreg on society who is too thick to know any different.

[B]Wander in and wandering.
Noone even invited you in.
But still you stumble in stumbling.
So suffocate
or get out while you can.

Noone told you to come. [/B]

This last bit is for the idiots that walk into the trap even after the mass brainwashing we take in childhood, asking them why they are even doing it. Its not a club, its not like you did it under pressure (in most cases), so what is your "great" excuse for dragging yourself down to this level.

[B]I hope it sucks you down. [/B]

If you are stupid enough to "taste" and you really believe that thats all your life is (your invite) then you might aswell stay there. Although Maynard does encourage free thinking alot I think this song is telling us that free thinking isn't everything, petty crime and falling into mindless traps isn't free thinking or being a free spirit, its being an idiot....DONT BE AN IDIOT!

[QUOTE=Adam Jones is GOD]Im still intrigued how they approached it, was it a straight cover, or did it have the POD twist to it? :upset:
All I know is it was recorded live and with their old guitarist[/QUOTE]
maybe the found a christian message in it, im just guessing though

Or....They are just hipocrits like most christians, I know christians that drink more and take more drugs then me! Christians are either stupid or genuinly think because they "believe" they are invincible because GoD will forgive them at the end of a hard night sinning....What does Maynard teach us about hipocrasy in religion :D

Stinkfist
 

Your're right man. Christians are hypocrits. They think they can go do whatever the f*ck they want, and be forgiven. Well I love Tool, and their thought provoking lyrics. NOt to mention their music. So heres a song I'm gonna try and interpret:
Song- Stinkfist
Album- Aenema

This song is about more than just anal fisting. Well here is why its about anal fisting: "finger deep within the borderline", "knuckle deep within the borderline", Elbow deep within the borderline". That represents anal fisting. Now why would Tool write song about anal fisting? The anal fisting represents stimulation. One of Tool's messages is that we should be stimulated and that we should think. Which is exactly what Tool does for us. Stimulate. But the song says "I don't want it, I just need it. TO be breathe, to feel to know I'm alive." This person will seek stimulation at all costs. Even if it means anal fisting.
THanks. I Hope this was close.

Just for the record, I am not a christian, yet I caught some irony here..

For supposed Tool fans, you guys are pretty quick to judge, almost making you hypocrits... I assume none of you like to be judged, for sure you wouldnt want to be called a hypocrit. "Christians are hypocrits" is a pretty broad statement. I know many christians. Im not saying they never have sinned, but I know for sure, they are not out partying do drugs, having sex, mudering, robbing.. with the thoughts its ok, because god will forgive them. Sure there is probably a few out there.. but if you are a true believer of christ you usually follow the "rules" pretty well... Most christians believe in karma, if you sin on earth, you'll be punished in the afterlife, or in heaven I should say. Im not flaming, just thought id play devil's advocate.

[b]deadohiosky9[/b] I would argee with you, I got alittle deeper on "Stinkfist" a few pages back, but id say that was pretty much the idea of the song. Being desensitized, by media, government and such. Therefore taking more to stimulate the mind.

[QUOTE]Your're right man. Christians are hypocrits.[/QUOTE]

True, some or most are nowadays. But don't just go stereotyping all Christians and come up with the conclusion that we make God as an excuse for ****ing up.

Anyways, I first heard Tool in a record store somewhere two years ago, and immediately liked Parabola, then I bought Lateralus(which I think is their best, in almost all aspects, and foul language from their older stuff isn't really my thing) . My favorite song is..The Patient. For me its literal meaning tells you to, well, be patient, because something is bound to happen and I think the song says something about hardships and change too("no loving embrace to see me through..I'm gonna wait it out").

honestly !m not too cool with making hostile generalizations such as the comments 3 posts up, mainly because not all christians are hypocrats(sp?)
and im sure there a few few christians in this forum who were offended... about the stinkfist message i couldnt agree with any more. People do need to stimulate there minds and and not let other mediums do it for them ie. the media. basically tool's got some good messages and im gonna get more into them now. :thumb:

Lateralus is a very good cd. Ænima is my favorite.. funny thing is, I think the reason I like the cd a little more is because the fact it is more edgy. I always enjoy music that pushes the evelope. None the less The Patient is one of my favorites on Lateralus

This got wayyyyyy lost in the mix

Ravenna, Ohio

I think 64' :confused:

[QUOTE=-Listy-]whats so good about Tool..ive only heard a few songs..didnt rly hear anything amazing..can someone tell me some good songs to download and ill take my words back[/QUOTE]

The whole Â*aenima album, the whole lateralus album

well... all the albums really

[QUOTE=ThePanicInNeedlePark]O.K Im going to jump in the deep end for one of these song meanings, its not very in depth and quite obvious but Im going to put it in anyway.....This is for the swamp song....

[B]My warning meant nothing.
You're dancing in quicksand.
Why don't you watch where you're wandering?
Why don't you watch where you're stumbling?
You're wading knee deep and going in.
And you may never come back again. [/B]

I think this is about getting taken advantage of (again) but specifically by crime/drugs. I think this verse is taking the educational side of things what we are taught about crime in schools.

[B]This bog is thick and easy to get lost in
when you're a stupid,dumb ***, beligerant ****er.

I hope it sucks you down.[/B]

This is our second phase of "good advice" drummed into us from child hood. This is the advice we recieve from our peers,parents and people who have "been there", the people who take a more negative and harsh aproach at stopping you from turning to crime.

The song goes on to repeat this a few times to signify it being drummed into us from childhood, everywhere we turn people are telling ua what to think and that is just the role of a dreg on society who is too thick to know any different.

[B]Wander in and wandering.
Noone even invited you in.
But still you stumble in stumbling.
So suffocate
or get out while you can.

Noone told you to come. [/B]

This last bit is for the idiots that walk into the trap even after the mass brainwashing we take in childhood, asking them why they are even doing it. Its not a club, its not like you did it under pressure (in most cases), so what is your "great" excuse for dragging yourself down to this level.

[B]I hope it sucks you down. [/B]

If you are stupid enough to "taste" and you really believe that thats all your life is (your invite) then you might aswell stay there. Although Maynard does encourage free thinking alot I think this song is telling us that free thinking isn't everything, petty crime and falling into mindless traps isn't free thinking or being a free spirit, its being an idiot....DONT BE AN IDIOT![/QUOTE]

lol. sorry. but this is why maynard doesnt just divulge directly into the causes of alot of his songs. he said in an interview that he had read alot of peoples interpretations on the toolshed site, and that they were wrong, but thats cool because of course its what you take with you thats yours. of course you never can take him too seriously, but i read an interview where he said that this song is about a girl that came into the studio one day while they were there. she wasnt invited and there was a bit of an argument or something for some reason or another. she was a girlfriend or friend of one the band members or someone working there.
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I take back my statement "christians are hypocrits". Because not all christians are hypocrits. Most of the ones I've run into are hypocrits. But not all are. And we shouldn't make that assumption from it. We shouldn't label all Christian as automatic hypocrits, just because of a few people who are hypocrits. I apologize for what I said. And I hope this further clarifies it.