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bartman 04-10-2005 12:45 PM

sounds good

Gackt 04-10-2005 06:46 PM

Very nice work, your bassiet some how reminds me of mine lol anyway you guyz are very skilled and amazing :) good work

HondoII 04-11-2005 11:37 PM

You should put my street team link in the first post jeff ;)

PunkGuitarist 04-12-2005 10:21 AM

You guys kick major ***. Keep on making music.

Edit: I just listened to Burden of the Pacifist that is officially my favorite song ever.

JeffofBetrayer 04-13-2005 10:09 PM

Thanks for the feedback!

[QUOTE]Very nice work, your bassiet some how reminds me of mine lol anyway you guyz are very skilled and amazing good work[/QUOTE]

The way our bassist plays or the way he looks...or both lol? Thanks!

[QUOTE]You guys kick major ***. Keep on making music.

Edit: I just listened to Burden of the Pacifist that is officially my favorite song ever.[/QUOTE]

Wow thanks, that's a huge compliment! That one would have to be my favorite song we've written so far too.

RustedPieces 04-14-2005 02:08 PM

I like your cover of Holy Wars, you guys did a good job.

sherbondy 04-14-2005 07:06 PM

well you guys are great but i would get someone who can sing he reminds me of the lead singer for yngwie and that guy really sucks

Binky 04-15-2005 12:52 PM

yeah, I think I should be the singer. I sound like the singer from Simple Plan. I know I can sing way better than you. lol

RustedPieces 04-18-2005 05:37 PM

I don't see why people don't like the singing.. I think it's good and it suits the music.

JeffofBetrayer 04-18-2005 08:49 PM

[QUOTE]well you guys are great but i would get someone who can sing he reminds me of the lead singer for yngwie and that guy really sucks[/QUOTE]

Are you serious or was that meant sarcastically? It sounds like you like Yngwie in one of your other posts. But I guess you maybe just like his guitar playing and not his singer(s)?

But anyways, yeah it would make sense that I sound similar to Yngwie's singers since I practice to his stuff a lot vocally. So I take that as a big compliment because that's a style/sound I've been striving to achieve with my voice.

[QUOTE]yeah, I think I should be the singer. I sound like the singer from Simple Plan. I know I can sing way better than you. lol[/QUOTE]

LOL, hey...aren't you in my band? Yeah....I DO think you should sing....backup vocals though ;)

[QUOTE]I don't see why people don't like the singing.. I think it's good and it suits the music.[/QUOTE]

Thanks!

Po0sH 04-21-2005 03:21 AM

bump

thursdaythrice 04-21-2005 07:57 PM

You guys are seriosuly awesome,im from the windsor/tecumseh area,great stuff

JeffofBetrayer 04-21-2005 09:56 PM

[QUOTE]You guys are seriosuly awesome,im from the windsor/tecumseh area,great stuff[/QUOTE]

Hey thanks! Do we know you personally, or have you been to any of our shows? We'll be playing in Windsor June 12th at the Fogalar, an all ages show, so hope you can check that out. We'll have more info posted on our site soon.

RustedPieces 04-22-2005 04:55 PM

Are you guys ever coming to the Hamilton area? Like maybe Toronto or something?

Bryan_S 04-22-2005 05:26 PM

I like the cover of paranoid :thumb:

playguitar 04-22-2005 11:23 PM

How long have you guys been together?

OmicaBassPlayer 04-23-2005 01:01 PM

****ing great cover of holy wars am lovin it *headbangs*

Merker 04-23-2005 01:14 PM

maybe try some vocals like CJ Snare, Michael Matijevic or Sebastion Bach.

JeffofBetrayer 04-24-2005 05:08 PM

[QUOTE]Are you guys ever coming to the Hamilton area? Like maybe Toronto or something?[/QUOTE]

We don't have anything scheduled for those areas right now, but we have played in Hamilton before at the Corktown Tavern, and we've played quite a bit in Toronto at places like; The Hard Rock Cafe, Kathedral, Opera House, Oasis, Club Phoenix, and that one Maiden show at the Molson Amphitheater. We might have a pretty big show coming up in Toronto this year, but I can't announce anything yet since it's not confirmed.

[QUOTE]I like the cover of paranoid [/QUOTE]

Thanks :chug:

[QUOTE]How long have you guys been together?[/QUOTE]

Shawn (drummer) and I have been together since 1996, then Norm (bassist) joined a couple years later, then Bill (guitarist) joined a couple years later, soon after we came out with Rusted Icons.

[QUOTE]****ing great cover of holy wars am lovin it *headbangs*[/QUOTE]

Thanks :thumb:

[QUOTE]maybe try some vocals like CJ Snare, Michael Matijevic or Sebastion Bach.[/QUOTE]

I do practice to some Firehouse & Skid Row. Don't have any Steelheart though, but I know that guy is an amazing singer. Sebastian back is actually one of my favorite singers. I can't sing with the raspyness he has though...I've tried in the past and each time I almost lost my voice, so I just sing to his stuff with a much cleaner tone....although he also does change from clean to raspy a lot. But yeah I love all those singers, I like many many singers and all different styles of Rock/Metal. Some of my other favorites are, Klause Meine, Tobias Sammet, David Coverdale, Don Dokken, Ronnie James Dio, Vince Neil, Brad Delp, John Bon jovi, Sammy Hagar, Jani Lane, Bruce Dickinson, Ozzy Osbourne...those are just some of the bands/singers I like practicing to.

I also recently heard about Dream Evil from my bassist. He bought their new album 'The Book Of Heavy Metal' which I haven't heard in its entirety yet, but whatever I did hear sounded so awesome. I particularly like the singer's (Niklas Isfeldt) voice which I think sounds a lot like Klause Meine. I need to get that album! And probably followed by thier other ones.

itsPLaNK 04-25-2005 11:22 AM

Man just heard Partaker of Evil and i'm not into this sorta genre. A grindcore lad myself, but dude, this is funky as f*ck!
Can't help to nod me head and the vocals are pretty good i think. I'm in an old school mood now
rock n roll!!!
Talented guitarist very clean how the riffs go from one to another, all perfect timing.
Not too sure on the bass before the solo though.
Woah :eek: that solos ace then the bass pedal arrghh! your band is very good.
Also is the kick drum triggered?

Merker 04-25-2005 05:06 PM

I do think you have a very good voice as it is. I just suggested some of my favorites . I like when the music is heavy with clean vocals. To me it sounds so much better, and not to mention its easier on your voice.
I also noticed that you cover Run to the Hills. I was wondering do you use falsetto to sing the chorus? Because that stuff is hard to sing! But by hearing your songs, you do seem to have a strong head voice.

JeffofBetrayer 04-25-2005 10:38 PM

[QUOTE]Man just heard Partaker of Evil and i'm not into this sorta genre. A grindcore lad myself, but dude, this is funky as f*ck!
Can't help to nod me head and the vocals are pretty good i think. I'm in an old school mood now
rock n roll!!!
Talented guitarist very clean how the riffs go from one to another, all perfect timing.
Not too sure on the bass before the solo though.
Woah that solos ace then the bass pedal arrghh! your band is very good.
Also is the kick drum triggered?[/QUOTE]

Hey thanks itsPLaNK! Glad you liked some things you heard so far even though it's not your favorite style.

The kicks aren't triggered on the new EP, all real acoustic drums. But I think that maybe our producer might have tried something like a trigger on the kick just for 'Burden of the Pacifist', not sure if he kept it though.

Not sure if you checked out anything from the Rusted Icons album, but those are all an electric kit...which sounds okay to me but I much prefer the real thing, what we got on the new stuff.

[QUOTE]I do think you have a very good voice as it is. I just suggested some of my favorites . I like when the music is heavy with clean vocals. To me it sounds so much better, and not to mention its easier on your voice.
I also noticed that you cover Run to the Hills. I was wondering do you use falsetto to sing the chorus? Because that stuff is hard to sing! But by hearing your songs, you do seem to have a strong head voice.[/QUOTE]

Yeah those are some good suggested singers! I'm like you, I like the heavy music/clean vocalist approach too generally.....although there are exceptions. And just like you mentioned it's easier on the voice, which are two reasons why I've been moving in that type of direction more and more since I started singing. I think that band Dream Evil I mentioned perfectly demonstrates that sort of a style with some of the heaviest (but then again heavy can mean different things to different people) music I've ever heard and then this crystal clear voice with a soaring range on top of it.

For 'Run to the Hills' I don't use any falsetto. Yeah that one is very tough to sing, probably the toughest chorus I have to sing out of anything we play. My voice has to be in top condition to pull that one off properly, if there's any wear/damage then it's just not possible for me. It does help though that we tune down a whole step. But I still do practice that one in standard with the CD.

fuel4fire 04-30-2005 08:20 PM

any luck finding a keyboardist?

ILoveMusic0106 04-30-2005 11:37 PM

[QUOTE=RustedPieces]I don't see why people don't like the singing.. I think it's good and it suits the music.[/QUOTE]

Ill tell you my problems with the vocals

Plain and simple, the vocals arent emotional enough.

The vocals arent agressive enough for the style of music.
The need some emotional agression in them.
Try less vibrato also, it doesnt fit with the music.

To tell you the truth, you have the best vocals i have ever heard of any music submitted on this forum. However, it could still use improvement.

Merker 05-03-2005 02:11 PM

[QUOTE=ILoveMusic0106]Ill tell you my problems with the vocals

Plain and simple, the vocals arent emotional enough.

The vocals arent agressive enough for the style of music.
The need some emotional agression in them.
Try less vibrato also, it doesnt fit with the music.

To tell you the truth, you have the best vocals i have ever heard of any music submitted on this forum. However, it could still use improvement.[/QUOTE]

I totally disagree

RustedPieces 05-03-2005 04:01 PM

[QUOTE=Merker]I totally disagree[/QUOTE]
Same here.

Mikedrummer 05-19-2005 02:23 PM

Jeff, not only is yours the best band ever to post on this forum, but is also one of the best thrash/power metal bands ive ever heard.

Bump, ffs, this deserves to be a sticky

Mikedrummer 05-22-2006 07:45 AM

this band is cool lol

deathscreamingsheep 05-22-2006 12:53 PM

I've been a fanboy for a little while. Your albums been on my list of things to buy for a while, unfortunately it's a long ever growing list...

British Beef 05-23-2006 09:29 AM

hehe ive got one of your songs on my mp3 player from ages ago


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